Almost got my Corsa liners dialed in my Raptor WCR 140s. I needed to add 4+ tubes per liner. Those cork tubes add up! Would be cool if you could custom order the liners with different amounts of cork preloaded.
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Almost got my Corsa liners dialed in my Raptor WCR 140s. I needed to add 4+ tubes per liner. Those cork tubes add up! Would be cool if you could custom order the liners with different amounts of cork preloaded.
I'm going to add one to two tubes per liner, mostly in the tongues, but that's nitpicking. Based on our identical boot/liner combos, I'm guessing I have a slightly higher instep and maybe a bit higher lower leg volume.Quote:
Originally Posted by bennettc14
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Corsa was designed for 92mm boots, they already come with different amounts of cork, the different models :fm:
Incidentally perfect for a 96mm boot, with my feet. [emoji533]Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
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I'm new to ZF and have Garas in my new Shadows with 9 days of skiing. I think I'm almost past the excruciating pain era. I did have the shell toes punched out. I alternate between ankle lower calf and instep pain in the AM to starting to feel like I have too much room in the forefoot/arch area.
I was in Intuition power wraps for 20+ years. Will I ever have that level of comfort again? Is this the sacrifice I need to make for performance? Power Wraps are awesome for like 20-30 days for me and then they just get too packed out.
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
did you punch your boots before you got your zips? Did you heat fit the liners? I have had better luck with all my pairs of zips heating the shell in a oven instead of my zips and using the heat from the shell to mold the liner.
At the shop we heated the liners and put me in the shells with regular toe caps. After two days of skiing my toes were FUCKED. Jammed so far in the front of the shell. Just my big toes. Specifically the left larger foot. Shop heated just the toes of the shells, put the super big toe caps on OVER the liners and we jammed em in. That helped some. Then they ground like 1 or 2mm out of the toes from the inside with the dremel.Quote:
Originally Posted by SoVT Joey
I'm in a MV Shadow 130. It like when my feet are swollen in the AM I have to start with the buckles super loose. By mid day or afternoon my feet shrink and then it's ALMOST like I have slop in the forefoot. I have flat feet. I have custom insoles in the liners.
The boots are SUPER cold now. I pretty much have to have my hot tronic insole heaters on at least low unless it's 30 degrees out. I'm thinking of some kind of thick rubber tape over the outside of the shell toe? I'd imagine the plastic there is very thin now.
That sounds f’ing stressful above.
I’ve got the Workhorse ZF in Nordica Strider 120’s. Using custom insoles from Surefoot.
The left shell was pre-punched for a bump on the side of my foot before the Zipfits.
I skied the ZF’s for 4 days and then heated the liner for a few minutes at 130F, and I pushed a bit of the cork around (was pressure over instep) and they’re really good now. Super good foot hold (everywhere) and comfy buckled up. Warm too. I’d heat right away next time. I’m shocked how good these are. Won’t ever ski any other liner. Ever. They’re that good.
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
On my second season now in Zipfits, so by no means am I any sort of an expert, but I can relate. My boots were ice cold all season in mine,I just decided to live with it due to the performance gains, and now sized up in Corsas in likely better fitting shells, so hope that's the ticket.
1) sounds like your feet are getting fucked due to too much cork/material in the rear of your foot, pushing the feet forward literally into the toe box of the shells. Does that sound plausible at all? I mean, is the shell fit OK to begin with, or super tight? I'd try, as first aid, to extract as much cork as you're able to from the heel/ankle pockets of the liners, to the tongues, in order to push your heels back into the heel pocket of the shells. I do hope you have a plunger and cork tubes so you can do some playing with yourself.
2) NOT a bootfitter. But, where's the slop, lateral or vertical? If lateral, I can imagine how that can ruin skiing, and I know you have excellent taste in skis that need driving, but if vertical, is it even a problem?
Cheers!
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Wait what? LolQuote:
Originally Posted by arild
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I found one thing that helps is to put the liners on, then into shell like normal, then pull very hard on the rear of the liner to ensure fully into heel pocket, then slam my heel into the ground a bunch, then buckle boots for a couple minutes before unbuckling and walking up to the chairlift.Quote:
Originally Posted by arild
I don't think there is too much cork in the rear. If anywhere MAYBE below the mallelous of the ankle? I know shell fit is correct. No crazy racer fit in a shell that is way too small. Small enough though that I needed a big toe grind. Slop is is lateral in the forefoot if anything. But minor. Maybe I just need to live with it and keep skiing em. I wish I was still 22 years old and I could just put any boot on and be like, "This is fucking rad. I'm gonna ski em 100 days in a row."
I think living on cheap beers and skiing everyday makes ski boots comfortable lol. My feet used to hurt those days only when I WASN'T in my ski boots lol.
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Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
YES, that works! The pulling up and stomping that is. The buckling/unbuckling part before the lift sounds a tad more tedious. But yeah, skiing works. And yes, move that cork below the malleolus into the tongue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
Almost 38 sucks when my feet have turned into fucking princesses, so I feel you.
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Ok so I can move cork on these myself?
Absolutely, but you would need a plunger (hah!) and an empty cork tube to actually do something with it. Ask your fitter. If they say no, no reason they should sell Zipfits in the first place. If so, consult youtube. It's dead easy, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
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Yes. Very easy to move around or remove completely. Heck I removed about 3 tubes from some used ones recently that I grabbed on here. The previous owner was obviously in the wrong shell. You just need some empty tubes to remove, see youtube as Arild suggests. To add it back a plunger or a wooden down the size of the ID of the tube to add it back will work. I may add some back, not positive yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
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I'm new to ZF myself WRG, Gara HV. I found there to be too much cork along the back of the heel pocket, pushing my toes into the front. I tried heating the liners to form/ move the cork, but it didn't work. I found warming the liners and massaging the cork with my fingers from the back of the heel pockets (around the Achilles) towards the injection port was all I needed to do. I did this on both sides, and it made a huge difference. I do not think just heating the liner and fitting it would have moved the cork enough. Hope it helpsQuote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
You can put boiling water in a $10 Vapur water bag and put it in the boot and/or on the tongue under the laces to heat it up nice and work the cork around with your fingers
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Microwave. Seriously, it’s the best way to heat zipfits.
Anyone put a Freeride in a 50/50, (Salomon Shift 130s) or would you go with GFT?
how long and what about the metal eyelets?Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
Solid DIY info here regarding cork adjustments: https://www.skitalk.com/threads/easy...aterial.12146/
I didn’t have any issues with the eyelets.Quote:
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For those with Gara stealths, do you just finger the pre-filled sections to move the cork or is there another trick (tongue and each side of instep)?
You can move it cold but it’s even easier if you get it a bit warm first. Like put it over your heat register for a few minutes warm.
There isn’t much on over the instep in the side pockets but it does go into that corner a bit. Just push or drag it with your fingers.
Before doing that, I would make sure the laces don’t go over that spot (skip that loop if needed), make sure the cork ports aren’t wrinkled up (pull them out, and tuck the end back in with one nice fold. I don’t push the entire port back in, just the end). It could also be a build up of seams. I’ve accelerated the break in period by working the seams with a hammer against a block of wood.
Now on my third season with the WC liners in a Lange RX130 shell with custom footbeds. Teddy from Christy's on the Snowbird Tram plaza fit them. He heated the liners up very first thing, and several times after. He told me to come see him before the first few days of skiing them so he could heat them up again. They were almost perfect from the first run. Slight sixth toe issues on the right foot but that's gone now.
I really think heating them is why they worked so well from the get go. I also have a heated boot bag which is probably helping as well. Makes it so much easier to slide the liners into the shells. I buckle them in the morning and unbuckle when we're done for the day. Never had this good of a ski boot fit.
Today was day 13 on the Gara + Lange Shadow 130. First hour+ is just pure pain. My right boot is much better but not perfect and left boot hurts so much. After an hour or so it get better but they are either way too loose or hurt so bad. There is no sweet spot with the buckles. Go in for lunch and it's like my feet shrink a whole size and they fit much much better. Still never "comfortable" and not sure what else I can really do. Honestly, the kid who fit them may not really know what he is doing. The liners seem so thin that I don't see how I can improve anything. They are also SO fucking cold. Like a balmy 25 degrees and it feels like I have no liner and just a plastic boot on my bare foot. Did I "ruin" myself with nice thick power wraps for 20 years? Custom masterfit footbeds for what it's worth.
Should I heat them again at home? 130 degrees in the oven with DIY toe caps?
Are you able to actually fit in to the heel pocket of the boot? I’d take a close look at that.
How do the boots fit / feel with the stock liners? The Zipfits being thin, for me, means getting into a lower volume shell and giving just enough space that I don't have hotspots. But I don't need to crank the buckles. Which seemed odd at first. An LV boot fits me with Zipfits but I cannot get it buckled with stock liners.Quote:
Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
In a shell that fits with stock liners I think I'd crank them with the Zips and would then create hotspots.
Yes, they are cold AF. They should come with heaters pre-installed honestly.
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom_Guardian
If you shell check yourself without the liner, are you super tight in any areas? Do you touch both sides in places? When you first put them on, where does it have extra pressure/hurt? Is it tight anywhere specifically? How long does it take to “hurt so bad”? What type of pain? Where does it hurt? How does it feel compared to the stock liners?
You obviously have pressure somewhere which is hurting you but also restricting blood flow and making it cold. If zipfits aren’t super tight they are reasonably warm. Not as warm as intuitions that aren’t super tight though.
I mean it sure feels like I am in the heel pocket. Doing the whole kicking the heel into the ground etc when I first put the boots on. But without xray vision I guess I don't know for sure.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pinned
I've never actually had them on with the stock liners. We measured me then decided to go with the MV Shadow in my size. Then we went straight to the zipfits. Heated them, toe caps, into the boot.
I have to do a shell check again and see. I put the boots on in the lot (with warm shells/liners if possible) and I buckle the top two to try to ensure I am in the heel pocket. Can only buckle both top buckles one or two "rungs" at most ever......but honestly they are fucking tight right away in the calf. I got thick latino cyclist calves. No chicken legs. May be part of the circulation issue right there.Quote:
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Also, the achilles area seems super tight. Losing lots of blood flow there and thinking I need to move material around? I keep expecting it to "pack out".
Also tons of pain in the inside arch area on only the left foot. Left big toe still hits the front of the boot until I have been skiing in them for hours. Both boots just not comfortable really at all. My custom insoles are 4ish years old. Possible my foot changed that much in that time?
I guess I just need to go back into the shop and see that they think.
Which shop?
I have been in my ZFs for like 8 years and they have never caused me pain and my feet stay toasty. And I have fucked up feet.
Coming from a former bootfitter back in the day - Sounds like it's a shell fit issue vs the actual liner. What other boots/lasts did they have you try on or did they sell you what they simply had in stock?
I think you need to remove some OMfit from the heel pocket if your Achilles are tight, probably on both sides.
The small one on west Main heading towards the mall. You know what I mean. You get yours at LMS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Tried on a Mach 1 first and the ankle/top of foot area was SOOOOO painful right away. Then they put me in the Shadow based on tape measurements of my foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by GravityDT
WRG Sounds like atleast someone else at the shop may have more knowledge? or try with zipfit direct.
couple things I've learned:
heating the liner is only to help the cork move from place to place, it won't compress like intuitions (ever?), and will take forever to move from wearing. Warm the liner and move the cork in a pinching motion between the inside and outside. Dont start from the bottom of where you want to move the cork from, start from the top and work your way down, create room for movement this way. There are a lot of good zipfit videos showing the moving, and the removal of the cork if necessary.
When I put on the liner, I was really cranking the lacing really tight and the top strap super tight, like you would normally reef on the powerstrap. It was cutting off my foots circulation and making them really cold and uncomfortable. I've changed to gently snugging the lacing, and lightly closing the top strap, mostly just to contain the lace length. Made a huge difference in my foot / lower leg comfort.
Lastly, my buckles at the ankle went from the last rung on the ladder, to the first, sometimes the second. A drastic change from using the intuitions. Seemd weird initially, but works fine.
Good Luck, sucks to hear your issues.
fwiw, I originally had new shells I was going to use with the zipfits, but decided to use the old ones as I knew those shells worked, even though the new ones were an updated similar model. I havent used the new shells yet as the old ones have a new life now. Maybe try your previous shells as mentioned.
Ok good to know. I don't crank the laces or strap super tight, but I may still be over doing it. Will try them loose. I will also try warming and moving some cork around as suggested above. I never intended to get new shells. When I went in for the Zips in November we pulled open my old shells and found a good sized crack right at the forefoot/ankle/cuff overlap area. Bummer. New shells.Quote:
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I punch my Achilles area in all my langes or I have cold foot issues. It sounds like you aren’t getting far enough into the heel pocket either if the Achilles is that tight. I don’t like tuning my liners in until I have my shell working well. It may be worth putting the stock liner in and going skiing to see if you have hot spots in them in the same place and then working off of that as a baseline. If I’m in my stock liner I have small hot spots around my Achilles and start to adjust the shell. Then I go a little more to add space for the Zipfit.
i threw away my custom insoles and switched to superfeet and that made a huge difference as well. My custom’s suddenly didn’t want to get along well with my new boots and liners for some reason and they were killing my feet. The superfeet are a little thinner then my custom was so it also gave more space along my instep which is great. The quiz on their website seems to work well for getting the correct insole.
It sounds like the liner and boot are conspiring to prevent your heel from getting back in the heel pocket.
Put your insoles in the shell and slide your foot in. Do your ankles touch the side of the shell? If so might need a punch or a grind in that area.
I’m not a husky Latino cyclist, but I do have thick welsh legs. I’ve never skied with my upper buckles with more than 1-2 clicks. Any more and I lose all feeling in my feet.
Yeah, I do use LMS and they are great although they prefer Intuitions over ZFs. That shop you use is suppose to know what the fuck they are doing, hell, they are the Doctor.
I am running Solly shells and I rarely buckle them down very tight. IMO if you need to wear boots so tight they make your feet hurt or cold you have greater problems than boots.;)
OK went to the shop. They ground down part of the masterfit insoles. They were way too wide for my new shells and lifting me up in the boot. They also moved cork in the Achilles area. Huge difference. Stoked.
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