How about these.... Look IS bringing back the 15!
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How about these.... Look IS bringing back the 15!
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The reviewer talks about a GS-like feeling so I guess it's quite stiff ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
More stuff here at Skipass.
Thanks Phil!
Will the 18 come in the same color ways?
I think look will probably see a 75% drop in P18 sales in lieu of the P15... I only know one person skiing P18 who is past the 15 din mark. The rest all ski at 10 or 11.
Obviously you ski with pussies and dentists [emoji6]
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Interested in this new Mach MV. How is the fit vs the current Cochise? I have the 130 flex and still feel it just flexes a touch soft. But love the fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by wasatchback
Damn nice and about time. Carry onQuote:
Originally Posted by Flexon Phil
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I don't think the gold will be available in the 18 but the Forza 2.0 and Raw will.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Not gonna matterQuote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
P15 is a great idea, but holy heck the new Forza is ugly as sin.
Agreed...Forza 1.0 is rad, 2.0 sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
Look should spend less time coming up with new colorways and din settings and develop a pivot brake that retracts properly.
Blister weighed the new Lange XT3 (presumably the 130) and a 26.5 comes out at ~1780g...so about the same weights as the current Freetours in both shell and liners.
Skipass shows a 140, a 130, a 120, and a 110 version.
Totally different last than the Cochise. The current MV is fairly wide with not a lot of shape (go to a shop and compare a current LV w/ an MV). The 20/21 MV mimics the current LV, with a way more anatomical fit that is closer to the foot, but with a taller and better toe box. Cochise feels a bit softer than the Mach in the same flex index.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
Also, the "T-Drive" on the MV is legit. Essentially, less/no distortion on the lower boot when flexing.
Eh. I heard the same quote about that ski... "it's basically a new Gotama." Not really. After flexing it, it's way softer. Sort of a flippy-buttery ski. Not my favorite, but I'm sure some will like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
Apparently they tried to blend the old Katana and old Goat dimensions into one ski, ala the new Katana... narrower than the old Katana, wider than the old Goat, and the guts of the 102. This is the one that's the charger.
Tried on the 140LV and 130MV last night. Both fit incredibly well for a touring/hybrid boot. Roomier than most true touring boots, with a larger toe box, great articulation, but the standout was the support. Not soft at all, a boot you can charge the bc with and only a little heavier.Quote:
Originally Posted by robnow
That's exciting do you know if the 140 will come in a MV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kied
I dig the Forza 2.0. It's garish, like a Look binding should be. As one of 12 people who still owns and uses a dedicated alpine ski boot when I ride lifts, I'm looking forward to the P15 and being able to get away from bindings that have 19 different adjustment points to accommodate everything from an DIN-standard alpine boot to a vibram soled AT boot to some stiletto fuck-me boots. KISS, FTW.
All of this talk of crossover gear, or a "travel setup" or whatever the fuck people are calling it now is utter bullshit. Purpose-built tools for specific tasks will always be superior. It's nothing more than some slick marketing to sell skiers with more money than sense gear that performs at best tolerably, everywhere.
In closing, it's really nice to see a little less emphasis placed on crossover/jack-of-all-trades gear for the coming season.
Drool.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexon Phil
Great work advocating to bring them back.
I've been hording my 15s.
And let us say "Amen"Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Liking the trend of skis increasing in mass, more metal and less of a "you can tour on this!" marketing line for alpine gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Amen, sister..Quote:
Originally Posted by The Artist Formerly Known as Leavenworth Skier
As a dedicated race boot (Head Raptor 140rs) fan, I will also say Amen to ski companies making skis for alpine skiing again and not for every type of skiing. You don’t use a machete to slice a truffle!
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Forgive my naiveté... is the P15 the same housing as the P18, just with a smaller spring? Can I use it with CAST?
Yup.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
Yeah...which makes it really hard to understand this massive campaign for the return of the 15....Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
It starts at 6? Makes more sense for most people than starting at 8
Exactly it. Most people ski a binding in a 6-8 range. in reality, this makes more sence than the 14. the 14 is the same binding as the 12, so if you need more than the 12, then you are better off with the all metalness of the 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
This was my assumption. I don't know why I feel strange about riding an 8-18 binding set at 8-9, though. Some sort of weird bias in my head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexon Phil
P15 Gold, please. Will replace the Baron on my Mantra 102.
Anyone want a 2020 Baron? Slightly used. Very clean.
Been happy with the Mantras?
I got them for cheap as they were one of last season's demo pair floating around Japan, pre-mounted. So, while it's not my binding of choice, the ski is this weird combination of super easy and predictable, to trustworthy when it gets hectic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
It's really damp and quiet in crud or on ice, but it's also not demanding at all. It's both more stable than my 84mm double titanium Nordica Jet Fuel, and more surfy than my 2003 Gotama. This is due to metal & tip/tail rocker combined with mellow traditional camber.
The sidecut is a trip. I can go slow and link short radius arcs in the mellow flats, or haul ass and go super G in the steeps. It's a more turny LP105 in the slows but just as stable in the fasts. (this sentence is for you directly. ;-) If I had just stuck an air and had to go straight through chunder for the next 200 meters before being able to stop, I'd want the LP105 on my feet. The 102 wants to turn. I think that's the main point where these two skis diverge is in runout characteristics and low speed/flat characteristics.
I don't have much experience on other skis of the same genre but I'm pretty sure the Mantra 102 is what every ski manufacturer is trying to make for their do-it-all ski. The K2 108ti was looser, less stable, softer tip, likely better in bottomless snow. But my bottomless snow ski is a Renegade. So for me the Mantra 102 is not a one-ski quiver. It's a non-powder ski. It rails with the best of them, dragging hip on groomers like a GS ski... and then it surfs for a playful way of shutting down speed.
I am also interested in trying other wood/metal combos for this genre. But I don't really know what I'd be asking for. This ski is already super stable and super loose. So... I don't know what else I need. Surely other make-ups would feel different.
LP 105 = Comp ski. Survives the runout.
M 102 = Carves or surfs. Choose one.
K2 108ti = 90% Holds an edge but likely floats better than the other two.
Black Crows Justis looks like Julian Regnier's take on Armada ARV Ti. Width in between 96 and 106, twin tip, double titanal. Look forward to seeing more specs and will probably get it next year for resort.
The new Corvus that he designed is great, so I trust him to upgrade the ARV as well
Att Gaijin:
Good stuff, mate!
Will make a real effort to demo a pair.
Hope the snow comes, and you can get busy on the Rens.
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Something for the speed skiers
If you’re skiing at 6 you don’t need this binding. And then by your argument if you need more than the 12 then you’re already covered with the 18. What am I missing. I’m not denying the 15 makes more sense, it’s just that I don’t see it solves a problem that actually exists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flexon Phil
You're right and you're right.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaliBrit
12 Plastic, 15 Metal, 18 Metal makes more sense than a 12 Plastic, 14 Plastic, and 18 Metal. It gives skiers like me a higher quality option. It gives me a metal housing with a din setting that is mid-range and that I can adjust.
Totally agree on crossover stuff. If I’m touring I’m touring. If alpine P18 in 120 alpine and charging at high speed (whyturn). I don’t want to ski my tecton in resort or fiddle with shift. I also ski pivot at 10 and will be stoked on the 15.Quote:
Originally Posted by glademaster
Right tool for the right job!
So does this mean no more 14 and 12, 15, 18 only?
Or is it ski light 14 with WTR bull?
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Thanks! I’ll have a hard look once they are available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kied