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I'm thinking we're going to have to have a Protest day at Silver this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2FUNKY
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Originally Posted by Kopi_Red
Just heard from keith that my 184 Freerides, heavy core/carbon/veneer are pressed and in line to be tuned. Bring it Ullr!
O! M! F!!! Gotz wood
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177 mapC ambrosia 4flex concepts (fat touring sticks)
Holy shit. Ultra tight tolerances. Skis are 1830grams/1823g. 8lbs/pair
Sexy! The book matching on the veneers is phenomenal!
Ya looks like the next cut off the tree. Too classy for me but I'll ski them anyway I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by RockinB
Oh fuck yeah! Game on!Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
All class, Grinch!
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Originally Posted by eskido
Cheers doods. Psyched. They feel and look like the goldilocks touring ski for me. I'll throw them on the scale and edit the og postQuote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
Nice! Mine supposedly shipped yesterday.
... Thom
Right on. Probably the ski I'm most curious of. Can't wait to hear the ski reports on thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
How did you guys hear that your skis were getting pressed? Does Keith press like skis at the same time so if Irul's Freerides are being pressed mine should be soon? Im excited.
My guess is a lot of us bug Keith while waiting for our skis (;
Here's a picture of my mis-pressed Quixotes. One of the cores got flipped. For the new pair I'm going to change how the two praxis logos at the tips are- currently they are black and hard to see.
Looking for suggestions on what to do with the logos because I'm indecisive. My thoughts so far are:
A) make them the normal yellow/mustard color (like the JSK27 logo in the middle)
B) bright orange to match FKS going on them
c) Royal Purple
D) Cobalt Blue
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Idk but choose quickly so he can move onto my skis ;)
Seriously though, go c) Royal Purple
Yup, royal purp, esp with bright orange fks
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Fed Ex just dropped these off. Nothing that hasn’t been seen before as far as top sheet options. Ibex with Ambrosia. But they sure are pretty.
Skis are 9D’s MAP flex 3. Will be my no new snow snow, ski with the kids ski.
^^^very nice
Muggy- the black "Praxis" with orange thin orange border outlining the letters would make it pop and not take the eyes of the rest of that top sheet too much. Great mix of veneer and graphic on those ones
Pining for this review.Quote:
Originally Posted by sf
Yeah, will probably be a couple of months yet. And still debating mount.
I've had 187 GPOs previously, had those at -1. Skied pretty well, but felt the tail was a bit grabby in crusts etc. Sold because I felt the BGs were better skis at ~115mm. But......they were mounted with Barons, and I've never really liked any ski with Dukes or Barons
Will mount these with KP13, for winter touring and traveling with only one ski. Probably will care more about good snow than bad snow performance.
Very good decisions were made here, very good decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by UTpowder
Hi guys, looking for an advice on Praxis skis
I've read lots of topics, reviews and all that stuff but still undecided. I want to add a lightweight winter touring ski to my quiver and I terribly want veneer. My go to ski for last couple of years was moment bibby 190 but some days it's just too wide and heavy, so ideally I want something that skis close to bibby but 108-112 underfoot and 185-187cm long. I'm 5'10 and 155, have a park background, ski in neutral stance, prefer to mount skis closer to center. I don't charge really hard, I prefer medium speeds and always looking for jumps and spins. Currently thinking of UL MVPs or skinny UL Quixote. Any other options or ideas?
I would wait for some reviews to come in on those sick looking -10 GPOs. Enduro Carbon 3 flex with Veener, will be light but still substantial enough to ski anything. <grain of salt> i don't tour <grain of salt/>Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
Even though it's a touring ski, don't go UL. Get the middleweight layup.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
Center stance/park orientation.
Lots of tail rocker, but I'd seriously consider a 183 or 187 MVP.
More playful charge - skinny GPO (106mm) skinny ullr (113mm)
Skinny Quixote seems like a bit of a wild card until the reviews come in.
Skinny RX isn't really a neutral stance ski.
BC would probably be a good ski for this, but no goldilocks length.
I considered GPOs but I don't fully like how tail profile looks - small rocker plus low tail height. I feel like that will be too much of a ski for what I want. Looking for more surfy, funny ski rather than serious FWT competitorQuote:
Originally Posted by Shu Shu
I find Praxis mounts to be generally too centered for me. I moved my 106 RX mount back 1.5cm. Admittedly, mine are intentionally short skis, which left very little in front of the boot at the recommended mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Wouldn't recommend the skinny RX for a playful jibby ski. It is a traditional ski, a bit like going back 7 years in ski geometry (including larger radius) and not caring a damn about it while doing a good job on snow.
That's a good review. I'm interested in the rx and variations. Have you posted a review of your 106 versions? I Renner thinking I should watch for it
No proper review. Not sure it would be worthwhile as my 106s are short, 2cm shorter than me, so somewhere between eyebrow and hairline. That makes any review heavily skewed away from a normally proportioned freeride ski. And of no physical or egotestical value to the typical TGR reader ;)
I'd say they ski somewhere like a Volkl Mantra with camber, but less metal-solid feel. Or somewhere like an old Atomic Sugar Daddy, but minus that horrible foam core feel they had.
For 3d upside down snow, grabby hooky windboard, punchy solar mank etc... I'd prefer they were a little wider and a little less cambered. But I'd say that about pretty much any 106mm ski with trad tip shape and camber.
On firmer surfaces that take an edge, like corn (and groomers I suppose): you can really stack your body onto the outside leg and they feel great. Steady and strong on the "big" radius. No funky business from a tip that is a little too wide for that snow surface (Freerides). Or from a tip that is designed for soft snow, like the BC. Actually, on reflection now I've thought about this, I'd say having the outside ski stacked and bent made them feel better in snow that wasn't feeling so good underfoot. Some really variable spring solar mank comes to mind one afternoon. But that might be because they are short and I can't fall back onto ski length to offset poor snow consistency. Nor can you fall back on reverse camber and pivot to solve shit snow. If you pussy foot around in unfreindly snow, the ski is unremarkable. If you make the ski ski, they perform better. This observation will vary a lot based on length+flex+camber v.s. skier weight+speed+turnshape+slope angle.
They ski dust on crust pretty well. But then I hate wider skis (116) on very hard surfaces.
The print on the veneer isn't so durable. And the tail topsheet edges get worn quickly from ski touring.
In Pow the GPO (@116) is a surf machine. Its a very very easy ski. Actually scratch that, in nearly any snow, the GPO is a very very easy ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
But yeah, the Piste Jib in the 100 class is likely the most jibby playful ski in the line and it has no problem skiing the shit out of 6-8" of fresh. The MVP shares a lot of the same design characteristics with some tweaks to make it a more a little more "off piste jib"....still those skinny GPOs... drool. Good luck with choosing your first pair...don't overthink it, cause it won't likely be your last ;)
They are super easy and predictable to ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
SupreChicken, Shu Shu thanks for the answers!
Leaning towards MVP. But what's about UL layup? I realize it's less dampening. Any other drawbacks? Ideally I wish the weight to be under 8.5lbs
I've skied the GPO with continuous curve rocker for the last 3 seasons in a lot of powder. It is fucking playful. You have to get a custom ski made to have the rockered profile. Ask Praxis about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
GPO camber v.s. GPO CCR
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Got other comparison photos if you are interested.
Neck Beard forgot about those...the regular camber profile is floaty and super drifty in quality light pow, I can only imagine the CCRs. HukuTa if you haven't already you should definitely touch base with Keith. As far the UL build is concerned I think Praxis has really two touring builds... 1. UL and 2. Enduro+Carbon. One prioritizes the up, the other the down. When I was "touring" it was on frame bindings and never more than a couple hours on the up, and everyone in my group sucked at it. I loved it, but two kids really put a hamper on my free time so I mostly ride lifts now. If you have long approaches and ski with a bunch of cross fit psychos who sprint the skin track, ok maybe the ultralight. I have easily 100 days on my GPOs in Enduro+Carbon and I feel like it's the perfect weight to charge ratio for good quality consistent snow. In heavier mank, crust, set up, cut up, sometimes I wish they had more heft, hence why I would never be tempted by the UL build.
If I was going to get a touring ski it would it would be 182 GPO 106 waist Enduro Carbon Veneer or a skinny Concept in the same build (if only Keith would make Goldilocks length). Given the stock 116 is 8.9lbs in a 182 I'm sure the 106 waist with carbon and veneer would put you way south of 8.5 lbs, and the 187 in the same build would put you pretty close to 8.5. But enough of all this skinny light GPO talk, I still have regular Qs on the way with a fkn heavy core!!! Long story short talk to Keith...after he finishes with my skis!
Entirely my own opinion, but...Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
The skiing/descent on my now sold to Riff UL GPO in any remotely variable snow sucked. If the snow was consistent, the ride was great.
Enduro/Carbon is usually within a half pound per pair of the UL and the ride quality is monumentally better in variable snow. For touring in the PNW, consistent snow is somewhat rare IME.
My 182 Enduro/Carbon GPOs come in at 8.9 Lbs. I'd expect a skinny version (106) to hit the mark you're after.Quote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
The skis are a dream to ski. This Spring, I converted them to touring duty (Vipecs) and did an inbounds day to test the mount. It was a remount testing day and I also took out my 179 Nanuqs (also mounted with Vipecs).
Conditions were late Spring, varying from morning scratchy snow to heavy slush.The GPOs are much quicker in tight places. They come around much quicker and the tail doesn't hang up in comparison with the Nanuqs. Obviously, they're much, much more stable in every way (that didn't surprise me, of course), and they hold an edge better. I'm not sure what bugs you about the tail.
I don't know if the above data point is relevant to you. I didn't have any other skis mounted with touring bindings in my quiver last spring, so this was the only ski I could compare for you using my touring boots (mango Maestrales). I was quite surprised that the only advantage the Nanuqs had was weight.
I suspect that you read the Blister review. Let's just say that I strongly disagree with their assessment. If you plowed through the massive GPO thread, believe the comments of SupreChicken, Shu Shu, Dane1 and others. They haven't steered me wrong and they're not steering you wrong.
... Thom
Yup, I agree totally with just about everything said here, Enduro carbon's are pretty f n light and worth every oz of weight penalty for every reason shu said. Like Thom says NO ONE agrees with Blisters unbelievably horrid review of the GPO, they're stoopid easy and a grip of fun. And like chx says, MVP is very worthy of a solid look considering your reqs. And finally (not quite sure why I'm even taking the time repeat all this... prolly the gin?), I will always wish I had a pair of neckbeard's ridiculously sexy CCR GPO's, everything about that design screams good times! Good luck, and FWIW Concepts and Q's are probably the two most versatile and fun sticks on the planet.
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I’ve been following this thread but haven’t read anyone’s take on the protest (-10)’s. I am very curious to hear about how this ski shreds.
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There has been a lot of speculation since chx took up the issue yrs ago and obviously the woo design, but like chx says the q pretty much improved that design in theory whereas the woo (depending on who you ask), didn't quite deliver. My take is it would most likely be a quiver ski for the right user in the right setting, maybe not quite such a universally loved stick. My personal opinion is Praxis makes several better options but it is still a very appropriate discussion here. I am also very jazzed to hear some real life feedback on this but I'd be hard pressed to believe it would be better than a gpo, concept, q pow touring option, esp when you consider the UL protest and ccr gpo options.
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Protest-10 would probably be the closest Praxis ski to that other ski we can't mention.
Not only can we, but we certainly should, and in the realm of this discussion why would we not??? I understand your reasoning and fondness of said unmentionable but also noticed you never pulled that trigger and were quite anti the javelin, que no? Not talking shit here, hold most everything you say in the upmost regard but really why not mention the obvious comparison and over dissect? Isn't that what we do?Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
Other ski we can't mention? Is that ski Alpys favorite?
The Protest is perfect as it is, don't fuck with it by trying to make it into something it's not. Accept it for what it is and don't try to make it into something it's not.