The only BFG KO available in my car's size is E rated. That's probably why it's so fucking expensive.
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The only BFG KO available in my car's size is E rated. That's probably why it's so fucking expensive.
^^^ That's part of it for sure. They generally get more expensive as you go up the load range. It's also not a cheap tire, generally.
Danno what size rims are on your Sequoia? Most likely you can change the tire size slightly (slightly wider or narrower) with no ill effects and find a more common size, available in C rated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Edit: I'm guessing 265/70 R16, and the only thing close to that in the KO2 is 275/70 R16 Load D, which aren't any cheaper. Balls.
Edit 2: If I'm correct about the tire size, you should buy the shit out of some Hankook Dynapro ATMs right now from Discount Tire. They're $117 ea. Cheaper than the Michelin you were asking about and universally regarded as a better tire.
Again, tire jong, but the OEM size is 265/65/17
And I'm not ready to buy, I plan on running my current tires (General Grabber AT2) through the summer. In the fall, I will either: buy snow tires (and maybe rims?), and try to get another summer out of the Grabbers, or just buy new do-everything tires.
So a really quick explanation of tire sizing:
The last #, the R, is the most important because that's your rim diameter. So R17 means you have 17" rims, you have to get a R17 tire, can't change that without buying new rims.
The first # is the tire width in mm. Your 265s are 265mm wide. Generally speaking unless you have a good reason to do so you should stick within about +/-10-20mm of your stock size. Changing much more than that might require different width rims or cause a bunch of other problems if you don't know what you're doing. Narrower theoretically cuts through snow better (I haven't really noticed this, personally), wider has better grip in dry, both on and off-road. Narrower might increase fuel mileage slightly, wider might decrease it.
The second # is aspect ratio. Your ratio of 65 means the sidewall height is 65% of the width of the tire. This is a fucking annoying way of specifying tire size because you care more about the diameter than you do about the sidewall height, but it is what it is.
If you go to a wider tire, you need to decrease the aspect ratio to keep the diameter the same. For example a 265/65 R17 and a 285/60 R17 are nearly the exact same diameter. You can totally get away with changing the diameter of the tire a little bit - say up to about 5% - without much concern but it does affect your speedometer and odometer readings. More change than that, and you need to know what you're doing and why. Sites like this are incredibly useful for comparing tire sizes: https://tiresize.com/comparison/
You don't have to buy the exact same size that came with the vehicle and many times it's advantageous to change slightly for performance reasons, availability, or price.
Thanks, that's helpful, and really fucking confusing. Using that site, it lists "alternative sizes", and then searching on the BFGs, it lists all sizes they come in. Doesn't look like there is anything but E rated tires in a reasonably similar size.
Good explanation from adrenalated on interpreting tire size numbers.
Danno - assuming your Sequoia is like other similar Toyota 4WDs, with your stock tire size of 265/65/17, you can probably use -- without causing any problems -- 255/75/17 or 265/70/17. Maybe you can find the tire you're looking for in one of those sizes. Sometimes you can find deals on alternative sizes when they're on sale, or on closeout.
Google it to be sure. I'm sure there are Toyota forums where someone has confirmed max tire size fitment on a Sequoia on stock wheels.
Dynapro comes in 265/65R17, pretty cheap. I imagine Discount would be able to source it for a bit less installed.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...0OWL&tab=Specs
Might find more fitment info by searching for Tundra, as those are more commonly modified but share the front end with the Sequoia.
Yes, but are the rear wheel wells the same on a Tundra as on a Sequoia? IDK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
And there's really only one tire choice for you:
http://www.teentoa.com/data/board/pi...1354890057.jpg
No, but the limiting geometry is in the front end for both... upper control arm, frame pinch weld, skid plate, bumper.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
They're pretty close. The front is definitely the limiting factor on both trucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
I had Nokians of some variety on my Suburban. The thing was damn near unstoppable at that point (i.e. I'd have needed to pull a total JONG move to get it stuck), the feedback was excellent (making them super-easy to hold right around the point of letting go), and gas mileage didn't seem to be adversely affected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Yeah, they cost a good chunk of change, but consider the cost of one body panel meeting a deer, guardrail, etc., or the time lost to getting out of a ditch on the way to a powder day, and a couple hundred extra bucks on tires doesn't seem so bad.
I put the c rated cooper atw on my cruiser. I picked a slightly different size that I knew would work. Oem size was super expensive.
I need some new tires for my 3/4 ton. It came with Firestone Transforce 285/60/20E tires on it. They suck in rain, mud, and especially snow, but at least they're showing significant tread wear after 11,000 miles. Ugh. Anyway, I think the Ko2's are what I'm looking for. We have Costco, Big O, and Tire Rack available here. Tire Rack is the lowest price at $340, but obviously I need to have someone install them. Never bought tires from Costco before, is the warranty and service really that much better than what Big O offers?Quote:
Originally Posted by LightRanger
Have nokian WR G2's on wife's rig (all-season, snowflake) and after 50k miles, they're not looking too close to needing to be replaced. Really nice to leave one set of tires on all year (for 3-4 years now).Quote:
Originally Posted by anotherVTskibum
My ATWs are from BigO, but always done Costco otherwise. Same lifetime balancing and rotation. But Costco has a deal where if the tire fails, they'll prorate you the remaining value based on a mileage calculation. At least that's what I recall from the one time I cashed it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeepHelmet
Just in case anyone in Utah needs some tires I have some Cooper A/T 3's for sale. I honestly changed them out about 20k miles too soon as they are still in great shape. 265/70/R17, set of 4 for $100.
I ran these tires on my 4Runner last season (in a P Metric size) and was very happy with their winter and all round performance on all types of roads and terrain. They're also pretty affordable.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
I took them from the 49th parallel to beyond the arctic circle and back. My only complaint is that 1000s of km of rough gravel roads towing a small trailer chewed the shit out of the treads.
That's great input and interesting to know about the tread durability. I bought them over the KO2 because of cost and potential for longer wear life. We drive ours quite a bit on dirt and gravel in our area, but it's typical at slow speed due to roughness (fs trails and ungraded "roads" or dust control (residential and high use roads). We'll probably put a couple 100mi on them this week while out in the desert. I'll see if there is a noticeable difference pre- and post trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by wicked_sick
Looking for a set of tires for April- October. Got new winters last season but need new ones for he off-season. Primarily highway driving, but go down logging roads for adventures and on job sites often. Running 265/75R16 on an 06 Sierra 3500 lbz extended cab long bed. Recommendations?
DuratracsQuote:
Originally Posted by shafty85
BFG KO2
Pick which one you think looks cooler, in an E-rating.
Nissan Frontier. 2003. 150+K on it now
The Tires that came on it were shit. BFGs.
Tried Bridgestones, Meh.
Replaced them with some Cooper Bigfoots. They sucked.
Bit the bullet a bit and bought some Hankook Dynapro ATMs.
They have been by far the best tires I have ever owned. Bar none.
I mean I love my Duratracs, but for a guy that is driving mostly highway with some basic logging road use and no winter driving? Holy overkill, batman. Duratracs are loud and a bit wandery on pavement.
And besides, if you want to look cool, get mud terrains in the largest size possible.
The Hankook Dynapro ATM was a better highway tire than my Duratracs and could be a good choice, but maybe still more aggressive than you need. Honestly for that use just about any decently reviewed all-terrain tire should be just fine.
Michelin ltx ms2 maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty85
Those are terrible on anything other than pavement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser
Michelin ltx at2 then, IME great for shafty85's stated uses.
No. They are excellent in the rain and good on snow and fair on ice. They have a silica tread optimized for 42 degree rain. We have off roaded with them in the San Juans plenty and they work okay. No issues with our slow speed crawling. They don't look aggressive enough with the lift we put on the 4R but have lasted forever. Killer tire for towing boats as well. Super stable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
The original ltx didn't have silica and they may deserve the dry pavement only designation but no way that can be said about the ltx ms2. Fantastic tire.
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Disagree. Kai_ski had them on his truck and it barely would stay on the road with a small trace of snow. He almost got stuck in my driveway with 3" of snow on it. And if you're having to drive on forest roads spring/fall with clay, they turn into a mud donut.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
even worseQuote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
As a summer only road tire, at2 would probably be fine and wear forever. The ms2 is likely a decent year-round road only tire, it has sipes, unlike the at2, which should improve handling on ice.
ltx at2 were OEM on my truck. not recommended
No experience with them on mud^ so I defer to Leavenworth on that one but otherwise I disagree.
I have two cars with snow tires and all seasons and then the 4R with the LTX for the last 80k during which time we have driven out west in snowstorms and local use so I feel my opinion comes well measured. Also my dad borrowed my 4R to pull his 600 HP boat to a tournament last summer during a heavy midwestern rainstorm and all he could talk about for months was how well the LTX ms2 performed in the rain especially when he had to brake suddenly.
YMMV. Definitely not a snow tire but other all season tires are far worse on snow.
My only issue with them now is that I installed OME springs and Bilsteins on the 4R and the street tires kind of bring the whole look down and we frankly enjoy off roading a lot on our vacations. If it wasn't for that I would for sure get the LTX MS2's again. They don't look cool at all for sure.
It sounds like Leavenworth skier mixed up the at2 and the ms2.
IMO, it's stupid nomenclature.
Well, shafty85 said he has winter tires, but, again IME, you're wrong. I run my AT2s year-round, including >100 days working at the ski area. They are great for me on snow, dirt, desert, and hiway. I don't get a lot of ice, but they are good on packed and loose snow. But hey, read other people's reviews.Quote:
Originally Posted by kai_ski
I don't disagree, I briefly looked a picture and it looked the same as Kai's truck. Either way I prefer a more aggressive tire, especially on a big heavy truck. It'd be embarrassing to get stuck on a job site.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
His truck weighs double what your 4runner does.
Either way tires are so hard to judge against all the different conditions they encounter. You just have to average out everybody's opinions. We can all be right about a tire even with diametrically opposed views.
Agreed. I'm just saying, job sites get muddy and big heavy diesel trucks get stuck easily in mud.Quote:
Originally Posted by uglymoney
Truck tire life hack:
Discount tire will price match just about anywhere.
Make sure you shop online for the best deal. I found the tires I wanted for the f350 at significantly lower price than anywhere locally on 4wheelparts.com.
I then had discount price match. Saved $300 and didn't have to wait for tires to ship.
What did you get? Duratrac's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier
Big fan of the Cooper st maxx. After seeing a couple buddies get them for their 4runner and fj cruiser, I put a set on my 80 series cruiser, and they are the tits. I went tall and skinny. 255/80/16. Great in the snow, good in the mud, quiet around town. Seem to be wearing pretty well, I have like 15k miles on them, and I would say 20‰ or less worn.
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I ended up going with bfg k02s. I love the duratrac but in the specific size I was getting for the truck, the k02 was almost $75 per tire cheaper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kopi_Red