And there has to be a bar car!
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And there has to be a bar car!
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That might be the biggest plus of all, shredgnar.Quote:
Originally Posted by shredgnar
Chain check at the train station.
Train service to Truckee probably wouldn't have enough ridership to justify double tracking the line over Donner Summit and adding train sets. Even extending service to Reno probably wouldn't generate enough ridership. If container traffic from Oakland ever forced the railroad put in a second track over Donner Pass, there would be capacity for more passenger trains.
The cost of an additional track would be beyond prohibitive but, if all parties tried to think outside the bun, I can't see why they couldn't piggyback ski train cars on one of the seemingly hundreds of freight trains currently making the run every day...
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Originally Posted by shredgnar
North Haverbrook, maybe?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Chupacabra
Personally, I'm eagerly awaiting my next ski day, but hey, whatever floats your boat. But I'd be fine with a 5pm departure in either or both directions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
Probably because they're so fucking slow.Quote:
Originally Posted by splat
But the alternative would be short areas of double track to allow passing/opposite directions when necessary. For all I know, they already exist.
http://www.tahoetram.com/ this would be great, although even less realistic than improving the train system. Why is europe so must more advanced than us?
So Troy is turning down 45million to hopefully have his own little resort in 15 years? Dude's not right in the head.
I didn't have to wait long at all! Current train service is ~6 hrs to emeryville from truckee Passenger rail will be too fucking slow for the bay area yuppies who all want rail but don't want to use or pay for it. and definitely don't want to pay for high speed rail. that shit ain't cheap.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dad
ha ha -> "train" service to truckee, you mean "motorcoach service".... http://www.capitolcorridor.org/route...subnav=coachesQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
not that that's a problem, but it ain't the train.
no, I meant the daily train that leaves Truckee roughly midday.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
you mean the california zephyr. i've been told by conductors of the cap corridor (who are also sometimes zephyr conductors) that there is some discretion about how skis are stored on the train. the decision is made by the conductors of the actual train. for instance, conductors may only allow the skis to be placed in the baggage car, which apparently cannot be offloaded in truckee.
imo, if more people use the CA zephyr train to truckee for skiing and there are multi-voiced opinions to amtrak about needing re-assurance that they will be able to offload in truckee with their skis, amtrak will listen and accommodate the reasonable request. get enough people riding to truckee and maybe they'll consider increasing the frequency of passenger service to truckee.
Let start small first, how about a bus stop in Glenshire.Quote:
Originally Posted by powfiend
Back to the reason I came to this thread in the first place, has white wolf actually been open?
I love the anti Bay Area sentiment on this board. Without the metropolis most of truckee and the resorts around it wouldn't exist. I've met lots of yuppies who were ninjas in a previous life before they chose cushy city jobs. They sit in an office but could still beat the fuck out of me any day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
/rant
Trains would be cool because you can get really drunk on them. Not sure about getting around from Truckee though.
Yeah, but who's gonna lug the skis over to the resorts for those passengers?Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
proper planning prevents piss poor performance.
The problem with the daily train through truckee is it is incredibly unrealiable headed west. It starts in Baltimore, and gets here when it gets here. Sometimes its a full day late, and 4-6 hours late is quite usual.
The problem with the bus service is the times don't work for weekend vacations. They need eastbound trains friday night and westbound sundays- and they don't exist.
Great point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Patches
You misunderstand. I live in the Bay Area and hate the people here. The snots in Tahoe are worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by turboLT
The delays point is huge - those really do eat up the vacation. Similar things when I'd looked at a train based ski trip out of seattle - couple hours to a day delay.
I know very little about this, but that's rarely stopped me.
Isn't there commuter train capacity that is used midweek but not weekends that runs on the same spec track etc.?
another simple-ish thing would be to run some of the capital corridor commuter train(s) all the way to truckee (or reno w/ a stop in truckee). the train service to and from auburn is very limited; that'd probably need to change. there's also a quirkiness with the track used that provides service to the auburn station that would need to be overcome. that stuff aside, when (time of day) would bay area (and davis/sacramento/roseville-types) want to leave from those stations and what time would you want to get back to those stations? i have no idea how long the stretch between auburn and truckee takes for amtrak (w/o freight or train-snowplow delays). auburn to sac takes ~1hr and sac to oakland is a little less than 2 hrs.
Someone needs to write Warren Buffet about this.
I just got off the phone with Warren and he said that sounds like a horrible investment strategy. No dice.
This is the attitude that annoys the shit out of me. Please come to where I live with the self righteous attitude that my town only exists because of yourself. Truckee wouldn't be what it is today, but who says thats a bad thing. I live here for the mountains and snow pack, not because of the high housing prices, generally low wages of the tourist industry and the tourist catered downtown. This isn't a jaded local, I'm so core rant, I realize that not everyone can live here and welcome tourists/second home owners, but get off your high horse.Quote:
Originally Posted by turboLT
So true! I got no beef with people from the bay, just the attitudes they bring. The fact that they think they are doing us a favor by coming up and spending their hard earned $$$ here, like somehow its making the locals rich, hah! The best is when they bitch about being stuck in traffic on the way to squaw on the weekends! Its almost if they dont realize that it is them who is creating it! But i got mad love for the bay, I grew up down there and love visiting, do allot business down there and even grocery shopping more often than in Truckee. However I dont bring a self-righteous, im the reason you are here/ my life in the mountains is way better than your life in a cubicle attitude with me. Much love to everyone who comes up to enjoy the beauty of tahoe. Lets try n create some mutual respect, leave your egos in the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by VC
BTW i dont think whitewolf has any chance of opening for at least a few more years. It seems doubtful that Troy is willing to sell to KSL at all if he didnt accept 45 M. I think he wants to maintain a certain level of control which KSL isnt interested in sharing
It's not a high horse. It's the fucking truth. There would be no economy - no ski areas - and nobody living there - without the mass amounts of tourists that flock to Tahoe. You most likely wouldn't be living there. It certainly couldn't support the local population.Quote:
Originally Posted by VC
So yes powfiend, they are doing you a favor.
There are plenty of other ski towns further from a metropolis that do just fine... Maybe there would be one or two good resorts instead of heaps of crap resorts but im pretty sure people were living in truckee around the same time san francisco started booming. perhaps you've herd of the transcontinental railroad? I also dont think you have any idea about what it takes to be a "local" in tahoe, and most of us dont have jobs that are in tourism industries because guess what, those jobs dont pay shit and are all filled by seasonal's who are NOT LOCALS.
Basically there is no fucking truth that justifies you being a douche nozzle and coming into my home with your fucking attitude. Stay the fuck out of truckee and north lake if your a piece of shit yuppy who thinks you own the place. Feel free to visit south lake because we all know what a shit hole that place already is because of your kind
I wasn't implying that Truckee as today would exist, but the town was around before bay area tourists. Believe or not there's mountain towns all over the west that exist without the main income being weekend tourists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
Ski areas would still exist, because 45 minutes away there's a population of almost 1/2 million people. You know how many people live in Truckee and commute to Reno? You know how many people work in Tahoe and live in Reno?
It doesn't matter anyway if Truckee would be here or not because when I go on vacation I don't bring the attitude with me that the locals owe me something.
All the hardcore locals do the majority of their grocery shopping in the bay area.:rolleyes:
QFT. Bwahahaha. Man, there is enuf butthurt in this thread now to fill up the Tahoe basin.Quote:
Originally Posted by mmmm...pow!
Tahoe is a tourist economy. Period.
If you act like a douche, you're a douche.
White wolf is worth at least 45M cause it includes the top of KT.
That's a really good point actually. We kind of overlooked that KSL is leasing the top of KT from Caldwell currently.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcski
Careful with that brush stroke you paint. The attitude that this place and ALL of its population needs tourism dollars is exactly the kind of BS he's talking about. What the fuck do you expect people to act like when that's the way you view them. No one wants to hear how vital you are to their existence. Tell a cop you pay his salary next time you're in the limbo of deciding whether or not you're about to be treated well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
Tourism dollars don't affect me one damn bit (nor VC). So telling people they have to deal with morons sliding into them every snowstorm because without them, their lives wouldn't exist is just retarded as hell. Every town here existed long before the first ski area.
I'm sorry some 20 year olds bumping lifts or serving drinks who have been here one season annoy you. They're about the only 'local as fuck' people around. It's cool. They annoy everybody :) But that's not everyone here. Not by a long shot.
So why don't you move to fucking Markleeville? Or one of those towns that "existed" before tourism and now doesn't? Funny thing is I remember both of you bitching about the sled shop closing. I'm pretty sure it'd be a longer trip for you to a grocery which probably wouldn't have the same stock on shittier roads that didn't get plowed as much. If that's not "one damn bit" guess we've different standards.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
I'm sorry some assholes from the bay area are assholes. they are assholes in the bay are too
Too long a commute to my job at squaw valley USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
I didn't exactly sell my sled when thin air closed ya know (nor did I ever spend more than about 40 bucks on a single purchase there). I purposely buy a truck with clearance.....see where we're goin here?
'one damn bit' is a bit selective I'll give you. But it would be like jesus descended from heaven above with no plowed roads and the aforementioned sled in my garage. I'd get to work AND get the same skiing I get in now without the TGR posse following me up a skin track and then skiing above me on a cornice :D
And the ability to go to whatever ginrall store existed on a snowy friday afternoon without team north face acting like I owed them something would be pretty sweet.
You know what I'm saying and I know what you're basically saying. We're both annoyed by the same people. But I don't squeal at you personally for barging your allstar equipped hummer over the benicia bridge so you shouldn't act like everyone in tahoe gets laid off on a bad ski season.
err, no, I don't. If you don't like the tourists, don't like the amenities they afford (resorts, food, roads, large supply of admittedly not cheap housing stock, support sector) move somewhere the fuck else. you live in the biggest mountain resort area in the US. there's lots of other mountain towns in the west (according to VC) who don't need tourist dollars. Oddly most of the ones i've been to want more tourist dollars though and many are willing to work on that. Unlike tahoe which is like some of the other sneering towns in California (I'll include several of the beach towns like Santa Cruz and Ventura) and seem to expect tourists to show up and spend money because they are awesome when in reality they are dingy piles of shit. Alot like most of the places in the tahoe basin.
santa cruz:surf = truckee:ski???
I think that was on my SAT way back when...
I've been trying for the last 5 years genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Conway
I don't live alone, and my job is a little specialized. :)
^^^Mind telling me what job you have at Squaw that is not affected one bit by tourism dollars? I can't think of a single one, unless maybe you work at the post office.
^ he designs skis with the O'meara boys
He's a professional smart assQuote:
Originally Posted by mmmm...pow!
Are those skis strictly sold to people who live in Tahoe with incomes that are not dependent on tourism dollars either?Quote:
Originally Posted by jfost