I can't imagine that any self-respecting mag would be caught dead on the second-longest length of any ski.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI
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I can't imagine that any self-respecting mag would be caught dead on the second-longest length of any ski.... :)Quote:
Originally Posted by DudeLebowSKI
^^^^^^^^But where is the mag deal on the 196:fmicon:
Yeah, I think we pre-sold every single pair in the first two weeks. We'll be lucky to have even one pair left.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
^^^damn son.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT
I just got called out as a pussy.
Edit: hey 4frnt, I'll give you $500 for the last pair if you need some burning man cash(for psychedelic drugs)............ZING!
All they had were 186's when I bought mine.....others have no god damn excuse! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by allTandA
Are they all gone? I was just on your website and it allows me to add them to my shopping cart... Don't make me go to 'check out' just to test your claim ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT
That's a vicious, dirty rumor! Buying Renegades now will only pay for NEXT year's psychedelics.Quote:
Originally Posted by allTandA
Are you guys still going ahead with the ehp conversion to renegade geometry? Any chance of an inside line to buy whiteroom proto pairs of those. After then seeing what you guys can build in slc i'm less interested in elan built production runs.
Well, the answer to your second question is no, we won't have any prototypes for sale. For all of our non-Renegade skis, we usually only end up with two working prototypes. One for the athlete, and one to send to the factory. As far as the changes being made, I'm not really sure how much I can talk about them until later on in the season. We are constantly testing and updating all of our models, every year, so don't be surprised to see some changes along the entire line come SIA. Hope that's vague enough for you! :)
Perfectly vague ;)
I did spy some protos on the glacier on Blackcomb at the end of July. Next to what were clearly Hoji's Renegades mounted with Dynafit Radicals, there was a pair of White Room skis with Renegade graphics but a narrower waist and regular sidecut with "Cody" handwritten on them. I couldn't tell what was going on rocker-wise. They just looked like normal all-mountain skis. I'll be interested to see what those turn into. Maybe a replacement for the Turbo?
new EHP with Renegade specs but EHP flex please.....
Eric H. mentioned making a 112-waisted version of the Ren when I saw him in Whistler last November so I'm guessing that's the direction the new EHP will take. What I think would make sense would be to keep the current stiffness in the 112-waisted ski, making that the charging comp-like ski, and to soften up the 122 waisted version to add pow focus. That would be a sweet 2 ski quiver.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maker
I would actually want something similar to the renegade stiffness in the tail, but ehp flex in the tip. At 112mm under foot the tip would be pretty skinny so i'd want more softness to get the tips up. Not the whole front half of the ski, just where the major splay kicks in. I wouldn't want a comp ski but more a charging capable touring ski. Carbon layers for good measure.
Fuck it, actually two versions: one ehp flex for touring, and one renegade flex for a hardpack-ish ski. I would mount the latter at -3cm from center because I loved the way that position skied in everything but deep pow.
Still keep the fatty stiff though, don't mess with a good thing.
The renegade has such an awesome geometry that there show be a whole line based off it.
4frnt, when will you just open your full custom operations to satisfy the whims of us hooligans?
little reverse camber on 100/115 cm + stiff flex + 5 dimensions side cut and no thrue tip tail =
the unbeliveble recipe of the renegade.
the secret: adjustement outline/rocker, specially on the tip.
with that, the crj and yle, 4frnt has got a solid fondation for the future. behind skinnier or wider, what they could put on the next shape:
-round edges and rails on the inverse parts
- 3D bases (multi facet or side) for smooth and easy change angle
- mix with praxis (concept and bpc) shape
PS : thanks for all the nice skis you're making and sorry for my bad english
Damn I really hope one pair of R 196 is on is way to Germany..Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT
We have a whole bunch of them headed over the pond to distributors and ultimately shops. If none of the shops in your area end up with one, let me know and I'll track a pair down for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZekeWolf
that's the "CDY" or something, cody's ski, something like 100-105 underfoot, basically going to replace the turbo i believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
I can confirm now that we are NOT replacing the Turbo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ectreeskier11
weird to have two skis in that same range then, especially with a skinnier renegade esque ski coming.
hello,
@4frnt: I just receive today my renegade from Vieux Campeur ( 186 n* 191 )
shape, flex and graphics as expected : wonderfull!
good finish.
two questions :
- how thick is the mapple sidewall?
- I'm 90 kg for 1m75, 86cm mounting point would be better for me?
all the way through to the other side??Quote:
Originally Posted by merlinmassoud
https://www.4frnt.com/store/1011renegade
a mix maple/poplar
water is not a friend for poplar, a light wood.
canadian maple is great wood (like larch):
stable, rot-proof, wear-resistant with good mechanical properties.
@otto: thanks, I will look the 9 pages
carefully.
the mounting point depends a lot on the taste of each; and with reverse camber, it's more responsive.
for volkl chopstick 185 i used 87, and coreupt watch out 183 it was 83 from rear, but they were both twin tip.
a rad vid review of the 2012 Renegade from the crew over at BC.com:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Backcoun.../0/KB9ioGppecM
Glad you're excited about your Rens! As for mounting, there are a few schools of thought on how to mount them based on height/weight and riding style. They are covered in this thread pretty well, actually. 86 is the recommended mount, and most people are happy somewhere in that area.Quote:
Originally Posted by merlinmassoud
As far as the maple sidewalls go, they are just the edges of the core showing through. We used to only use wood sidewalls for our prototypes, as it's much simpler to produce a pair of skis quickly without adding sidewall material into the mix. What we found was that the skis actually hold up better. As long as you bring your skis in, and dry them out every day (like you should be doing anyway), the wood will actually get harder over time. We have never seen any issues with any prototypes or production Renegades. The other advantage is that it doesn't give like ABS does when you edge really hard on top of it (think digging into a steep icy couloir). It's nice to have a stable platform all the way out to the metal to push down on.
nice, with maple chestnut locust Larch... ABS should be dead.
@4FRNT:
I like my edges sharp (btw thanks for the awesomely sharp factory tune they came with). With plastic sidewalls I use a sidewall remover to shave them down so that my file grips the edge better and doesn't get gummed up. How would you recommend doing something similar with the wooden sidewalls?
Well, as the manufacturer, we obviously don't recommend doing anything to the sidewalls of the ski. You should be able to get more grip than on traditional ABS sidewalls, since we don't have a vertical lip on top of the edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
That being said, if you still want/need to do it, we work on them with traditional woodworking tools. Routers, belt sanders, hand files, etc. I'm sure you could shape them how you want with those same tools.
[ Edit to add Barnhill's specific response]
In general I think that the design detail of the Renegade should allow for you to sharpen at will without much problem, as the angle of the sidewall drops directly down on to the top of the edge, without the typical vertical few MM before the angle starts. However if that is not enough, you could try using a fine(ish) wood file to very carefully knock back the wood that is directly above and in contact with the top of the edge before sharpening. Being a person that only skis on tuned skis when they're new, and not looking directly at what you're looking at, this is the best I've got for a method to making dragon-slayingly sharp edges. Hope it helps. CB
Thanks! I have only machine-tuned them so far but I will try without removing sidewall when I hand-sharpen and see what happens. I appreciate the info.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT
Btw, I find they ski a lot better in variable/hard conditions when sharp. They seem to track better and engage better on edge, without giving up looseness when it gets soft.
so did the recommended mount get moved from 88 to 86cm? last year I thought it was 88cm....Quote:
Originally Posted by 4FRNT
No, sorry. I misspoke. The recommended mounting point is 88cm. Just like last year. Although, some people have liked the 86cm mount better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maker
hello,
@4frnt: which edge angle's is better on the base? mine seems to be +1 degree.
and what is the lenght where the edges need to be sharp on the 186/2011 ?
It comes from the factory with a 1/1 bevel all the way up the edge. I would just take a gummy stone with you the first day or two out on them and detune as necessary. Or, you can ski pow with them, and never need edges at all :)Quote:
Originally Posted by merlinmassoud
great!
I ski only 10 days/year but it's almost powder.
one complain with the renegade: why this baby is not 2cm wider with this nice shape?
anyway, thanks for all these details. it,s near two years now I follow this mellow rocker, the future of versatile/effetive skis. happy to see so much people interested by this project.
right now I think about an edge sharpe on groomers or hard snow, and round on crusty or soft snow: two lewels, the top one round and on contact with the snow only when the ski is tilted on soft snow. should be nice on fatties
on the front of the ski, after 100/115 cm
http://www.4frnt.com/images/renegade_final_196.JPG
Final pair of Renegades pressed by Cody and Hoji, and others are already fully finished.
We're way ahead of last year already.
please, replace the masks after the photo, you've got talent!
the fiber does not exceed core, or there is a second layer wider?
Glad you guys got everything sorted this year, everyone wins :).