Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

so if you reopen businesses and attractions in a county or city, how do you keep asymptomatic people from a CV impacted city/county from going there and infecting people?

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You don't.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Glad to see you finally recognizing the class wars that have been endemically raging across all global sectors of humanity since time immemorial.

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The cognitive dissonance of workers who put their health & well-being on the line for pennies while their employers take a completely disproportionate amount of the profits must be too much to bear. So we invent the 'nobility' of the act - make this obsequious a sign of virtue. Putting your one go-around in this earthly world at risk or exchanging your health for the tiniest of crumbs is a terrible deal. All these 'free us from the tyranny of the guberment" types are missing the tug of the dog collars from their corporate masters. Suckers. Everyone of them.

Or they could just be broke.

Monday in CO:

https://scontent.fapa1-2.fna.fbcdn.n...73&oe=5EC7FA68

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Originally Posted by Carl_Mega

The cognitive dissonance of workers who put their health & well-being on the line for pennies while their employers take a completely disproportionate amount of the profits must be too much to bear. So we invent the 'nobility' of the act - make this obsequious a sign of virtue. Putting your one go-around in this earthly world at risk or exchanging your health for the tiniest of crumbs is a terrible deal. All these 'free us from the tyranny of the guberment" types are missing the tug of the dog collars from their corporate masters. Suckers. Everyone of them.

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Exhibiting the snobbish erudition that is truly the domain of the overlords! Bravo!

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

Or they could just be broke.

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There's a big difference between revamping and replacing the existing system with hopefully something better & acknowledging you are accepting a bad deal under the current system. My take is it's become commonplace to be complacent and accept the crappiest of deals - relinquish any leverage they have and call it 'a honest days work'.

I'd rather be broke than dead or broken.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Exhibiting the snobbish erudition that is truly the domain of the overlords! Bravo!

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Needs more flourishments like "blood of the proletariat greasing the wheels of capitalism" and "bourgeois running dogs"

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Originally Posted by glademaster

I appreciate that response, and I can't say you're wrong. I've definitely viewed every job I've had as a means to an end/necessary evil and not much more.

Opinions are like assholes, but I believe that human beings are not meant to spend the majority of their waking hours beholden to an employer, it's unnatural and is not in any way necessary to have a sense of purpose or meaning in life. So perhaps I am saying you're wrong.

It's possible to acknowledge the realities of the system, and the necessity of operating within its bounds while also railing against the fundamental flaws of said system. I'm not at all surprised that's beyond SFB's ability to comprehend.

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I don't think I am here to fight e-fight a wage class war on the blue screen of stoke and drival or anywhere else
nor figure out whats stopping you from being an employer not my gig
I do comprehend the serenity prayer
this song
and fill in the missing colors of my better 1/2s dreams fairly well

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Needs more flourishments like "blood of the proletariat greasing the wheels of capitalism" and "bourgeois running dogs"

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Needs less color 333333.

Just trying to echo the age old sagacity of the briliiance of Marx in observing and articulating the problem, while acknowledging the vapid paucity and arrogant directives of his solutions.

Carry on fellow bourgeois scum!

Have you seen Jackson Browne live? Highly recommended when this is all over if you haven't.

Now about the reliability, consistency and availability of those COVID-19 tests....

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Originally Posted by Viva

Might these conditions be related to pulmonary vein thrombosis, at least mechanistically? In this condition as in Covid-19, the presence of substantial microclotting is observed.

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Pulmonary vein thrombosis? I had to look that one up. I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Hey you Marxists!

Glad to see you finally recognizing the class wars that have been endemically raging across all global sectors of humanity since time immemorial.

From the war lords of ancient China up through serfdom of the middle ages and continuing on through the trivialization of workers in the industrial era.

So despite it being a seemingly fundamental and traditional cog in the machinery of any society, let's trivialize the phenomenon and ignore the fears and forgoings of those who have tried to operate outside the system!

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The day the first human planted the first seed school was out. When agriculture and permanent settlement replaced hunting and gathering men began to submit to other men. The species exchanged freedom for security and has never looked back.

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

They'll still require masks for employees, and social distancing measures. They aren't reopening bars and restaurants. Honestly, I don't exactly know what they'll be opening, besides some retail establishments and doctors/dentists offices for elective procedures.

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Bowling alleys, massage parlors, tattoo parlors, hair and beauty salons to name just a few.

Basically saying fuck you to all the experts.

A question for the scientist mags. What do you all know about COVID antibody testing? Specifically, National Jewish has developed an in house FDA approved antibody test for $95 that rolls out tomorrow. I can't find anyting about the sensitivity or specificity of their test and have seen vastly different results of other antibody tests that are not yet available in Denver. I'm very interested in this as I am caring for COVID patients 35 hour per week and though I wouldn't change my PPE practices if antibody +, I sure would sleep better with fewer concerns about my pending demise. My whole family was ill in the week leading up to Colorado's school closures and shelter in place order and we had multiple contacts with COVID + people. Our symptoms wern't too bad and it was back when we were only testing hopitalized patients for COVID so none of us were tested, but the more COVID + patients that I see with mild to moderate disease with symptoms that are very similar to what our symptoms were, the more optimistic I am that my family has some degree of protection.

Given the propensity of Covid 19 to kill black people it's no surprise that the white supremacy types are protesting the closures. A few more dead white people in exchange for a lot more dead black people must seem like a fair trade to them. The disease also culls the weak so it improves the master race.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Pulmonary vein thrombosis? I had to look that one up. I don't know.


The day the first human planted the first seed school was out. When agriculture and permanent settlement replaced hunting and gathering men began to submit to other men. The species exchanged freedom for security and has never looked back.

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A very good article:


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...t-civilization


Cultivation also made it easier to collect taxes.

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Originally Posted by timackie

A question for the scientist mags. What do you all know about COVID antibody testing? Specifically, National Jewish has developed an in house FDA approved antibody test for $95 that rolls out tomorrow. I can't find anyting about the sensitivity or specificity of their test and have seen vastly different results of other antibody tests that are not yet available in Denver. I'm very interested in this as I am caring for COVID patients 35 hour per week and though I wouldn't change my PPE practices if antibody +, I sure would sleep better with fewer concerns about my pending demise. My whole family was ill in the week leading up to Colorado's school closures and shelter in place order and we had multiple contacts with COVID + people. Our symptoms wern't too bad and it was back when we were only testing hopitalized patients for COVID so none of us were tested, but the more COVID + patients that I see with mild to moderate disease with symptoms that are very similar to what our symptoms were, the more optimistic I am that my family has some degree of protection.

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I'm not a scientist and I don't know the answer to your specific question but I do know that even if an antibody test is highly sensitive and specific we don't know if people with antibodies are protected from reinfection and if so for how long.

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Originally Posted by timackie

A question for the scientist mags. What do you all know about COVID antibody testing? Specifically, National Jewish has developed an in house FDA approved antibody test for $95 that rolls out tomorrow. I can't find anyting about the sensitivity or specificity of their test and have seen vastly different results of other antibody tests that are not yet available in Denver. I'm very interested in this as I am caring for COVID patients 35 hour per week and though I wouldn't change my PPE practices if antibody +, I sure would sleep better with fewer concerns about my pending demise. My whole family was ill in the week leading up to Colorado's school closures and shelter in place order and we had multiple contacts with COVID + people. Our symptoms wern't too bad and it was back when we were only testing hopitalized patients for COVID so none of us were tested, but the more COVID + patients that I see with mild to moderate disease with symptoms that are very similar to what our symptoms were, the more optimistic I am that my family has some degree of protection.

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Roche tested them all and thinks the whole space is a disaster. They are obviously the world's largest diagnostic company. However, they also are developing their own Ab assay.

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/medtec...ics-sales-rise

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Originally Posted by glademaster

Have you seen Jackson Browne live? Highly recommended when this is all over if you haven't.

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i didnt stay in chicago longer than i should of with mr millers voice in my head
working/ wage slaving/ whatever in exchange for a sex drugs and rock and roll lifestyle to not see almost every artist i wanted
i fucked up on seein van morrison for ministry helmet and sepeltura though
mostly to see helmet again

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Originally Posted by skifishbum

i didnt stay in chicago longer than i should of with mr millers voice in my head
working/ wage slaving/ whatever in exchange for a sex drugs and rock and roll lifestyle to not see almost every artist i wanted
i fucked up on seein van morrison for ministry helmet and sepeltura though
mostly to see helmet again

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Uhuhuhuh, you said helmet, huhuhuhuh.

In 2007 I was in Boulder fir work and one of the Denver radio stations was playing Helmet. That was cool.

Not sure if this has been discussed before, but interesting that Stockholm could reach herd immunity in weeks:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

Will be interesting to see how they end once the dust settles compared to other countries with similar demographics and more strict measures. As long as the health system is not overwhelmed, I'm guessing the death rates will be close in the end with Sweden coming out of this with a much stronger economy.

So like ten people have already posted about Sweden's claim of Stockholm reaching herd immunity in a few weeks. The head Swedish epidemiologist made the claim and cited a study by the Swedish Health agency saying for every 1 person confirmed positive the true number of infected is 999. Then, within 24 hours, the study was pulled citing an unknown error. What the fuck? And we thought Trump was incompetent. I have scoured the Internets for more info on this but no luck. Does anyone speak Swedish?

We just got our ‘reopening’ direction from the Governor in Montana yesterday. It’s fucked.

Groups no larger than 10.


Bars/casinos/restaurants open...but only open until 11:30 pm. Limited to 6 people per table. Seems like a lot of thought went into that.

Schools can open. Youth sports can resume.

Spa/massage/salons can all reopen. But must maintain physical distancing measures...figure that one out.

Let the fire ignite here in Montana.

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Originally Posted by RockinB

We just got our ‘reopening’ direction from the Governor in Montana yesterday. It’s fucked.

Groups no larger than 10.


Bars/casinos/restaurants open...but only open until 11:30 pm. Limited to 6 people per table. Seems like a lot of thought went into that.

Schools can open. Youth sports can resume.

Spa/massage/salons can all reopen. But must maintain physical distancing measures...figure that one out.

Let the fire ignite here in Montana.

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Here's some exposure math. Your situation might vary.

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Originally Posted by RockinB

Bars/casinos/restaurants open...but only open until 11:30 pm.

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Too much chance of strangers exchanging spit after 11:30, I guess...