Climate Change

Global warming may wipe out the human species and most other living things, but new organisms will probably take their place. Or not--life on Earth is actually much more tenuous than people think and is the result of a series of fortunate circumstances. But if all life on Earth, and any other life in the Universe somes to an end, what does it matter? Is there an intrinsic value to life over say rock or clouds of dark matter? In the cosmic scheme of things it doesn't matter.

OTOH I would prefer to live out my life and have my kids and my one grandkid be able to have enjoyable or at least tolerable lives and leave the cosmic thinking to the Zen masters.

Much as I like what Rasputin (the maggot, not the monk) says, I don't think a change in the human pxyche is forthcoming or that disastrous climate change can be accomplished by individual altruism. I fear it is not possible in a democratic society or without pain more serious than most of us would submit to voluntarily.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Global warming may wipe out the human species and most other living things..

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At this point I think WW3 has a greater chance of wiping out the human species than an earth that’s 2 degrees warmer.




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Originally Posted by old goat

I fear it is not possible in a democratic society

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I thought this happened in the 50’s. Put a human on the moon. And then came back and did their best to fix a few things. Took a couple decades, and still working on some key points. We’re in a rut.

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Without pain more serious than most of us would submit to voluntarily.

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This is the hardest part I think. Or just truly ignorant of the plight of others. ‘Let them eat cake’. Worked out so well for Miss Antoinette. Except the guillotine is now economic and societal collapse via climate.

Pretty sure high rise buildings and windows have and always will kill WAY more birds than wind turbines

And cats

Yet the farmers keep their cats and shun the windmills.

The philosophy here is all over my head and makes my brain circuits explode.

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Ok friends its all very nice, but what can we skiers do to stop the climate change?
There is just one possibility:
Stop the groomers, caterpilars and snow guns,
try to ski on natural snow, though it is not perfect.

Try to follow me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYgrmTfiOmM

I love companies who market themselves as and claim to be “sustainable” and “eco-conscious” but then fly halfway around the world a few times a year to do ad photo shoots. Amazing.

Yeah, SnowShow, it`s not just companies feeling themselves “eco-conscious”.
Every well-suited individual feels “sustainable”, although driving a heavy SUV with 300kg baterries
on board. Like Schwarzeneger...

Bird deaths
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics...out-bird-death


Causes of Bird Deaths in the U.S. Annually
Cats 2,407,000,000
Buildings 599,000,000
Cars 199,600,000
Power Line Collisions 22,800,000
Communication Towers 6,581,945
Power Line Electrocutions 5,630,000
Wind Turbines 573,093
Number are for independent birds only. Estimates do not include eggs or nestlings.
Chart: Cecelia Smith-Schoenwalder Source: Loss et al. 2015 Get the data Created with Datawrapper

But yes, wind turbines are the problem.

Here's this from the Audubon Society:

"Properly sited wind power can help protect birds from climate change."

"Audubon strongly supports wind energy that is sited and operated properly to avoid, minimize, and mitigate effectively for the impacts on birds, other wildlife, and the places they need now and in the future. To that end, we support the development of wind energy to achieve 100% clean electricity."

https://www.audubon.org/news/wind-power-and-birds

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At this point I think WW3 has a greater chance of wiping out the human species than an earth that’s 2 degrees warmer.




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This is actually one of the biggest concerns about climate change: migration caused by climate disasters will lead to world war. Migration from climate disasters has already caused a number of wars around the world. As this increases the odds of world war increase. 2 degrees of warming could definitely trigger this.

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This is actually one of the biggest concerns about climate change: migration caused by climate disasters will lead to world war. Migration from climate disasters has already caused a number of wars around the world. As this increases the odds of world war increase. 2 degrees of warming could definitely trigger this.

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Sure. Maybe in 30 years. But what’s going right now between China, Taiwan, Iran, Israel, Russia etc and the west is a real near term threat. We are stumbling towards world war with one stupid decision after the next. Climate is takes a massive backseat to this in my mind.


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Sure. Maybe in 30 years. But what’s going right now between China, Taiwan, Iran, Israel, Russia etc and the west is a real near term threat. We are stumbling towards world war with one stupid decision after the next. Climate is takes a massive backseat to this in my mind. ]

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OK Epimethius. Again:

A new type of thinking is essential if mankind is to survive and move toward higher levels Albert Einstein.

While short term problems have to be dealt with in the short term, long term problems also require short term short term responses that last.


This is why humans have arrived at the end of their road: not enough processing capacity for both near and long term planning. A world managing Tyrannical AI would be most welcome...... or Dog ...... or a vastly superior Alien race.

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Yet the farmers keep their cats and shun the windmills.

The philosophy here is all over my head and makes my brain circuits explode.

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It would be a lot easier for you to understand if you smoked some weed. A lot of weed.

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Yet the farmers keep their cats and shun the windmills.

The philosophy here is all over my head and makes my brain circuits explode.

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It’s not just about the birds. The noise pollution from turbines can f up human and animal health. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032122006852


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It would be a lot easier for you to understand if you smoked some weed. A lot of weed.

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I plan to make up for lost time when I retire.

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It’s not just about the birds. The noise pollution from turbines can f up human and animal health. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032122006852


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Lol.

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It’s not just about the birds. The noise pollution from turbines can f up human and animal health. https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...64032122006852


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I’ve stood in a wind farm among dozens of wind turbines, they’re pretty quiet.


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Since birds aren't real none of this matters.

So far I've learned, birds are really, really dumb. XYZ is a cult member

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So far I've learned, birds are really, really dumb. XYZ is a cult member

I am think they are a bored troll.

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Sure. Maybe in 30 years. But what’s going right now between China, Taiwan, Iran, Israel, Russia etc and the west is a real near term threat. We are stumbling towards world war with one stupid decision after the next. Climate is takes a massive backseat to this in my mind.


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Got it-- there is only one crisis in the world, AND even if there were more we can only possibly focus on one problem at a time.

Climate change isn't just a future problem. It is here now and wreaking devastation in many parts of the world at the same time.

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Got it-- there is only one crisis in the world, AND even if there were more we can only possibly focus on one problem at a time.

Climate change isn't just a future problem. It is here now and wreaking devastation in many parts of the world at the same time.

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"Yeah... but not where I live."

:rolleyes: