Are we all in agreement that neither Eli nor Edelman should get in the HoF?
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Are we all in agreement that neither Eli nor Edelman should get in the HoF?
Good.
Eli does have infinity more Super Bowl titles and Super Bowl MVPs than all those guys, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
Hines Ward was very, very good at football. His stats would look a lot better if he didn't play his prime years with Kordell Stewart and Tommy Maddux in a run first offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ticketchecker
romo and ryan were both had/have better careers but cam had a better prime. he is a breed of qb the likes of which the league has never seen. if he can have a bit of a career resurgence and take someone on a run in the next few years, i think he gets in.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
also, i think ryan gets in at this point. third best career of any active qb behind brady and rodgers.
And he's the only one who was never a legit MVP candidate. Eli received zero MVP votes in his career. His career was to Joe Flacco than an all-time great.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
That is not true, unless Cam's prime is only 2015. Actually, I guess it is true. Cam's prime was one season.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
Absolutely. Ryan and Romo and Cam were absolutely better QBs than Eli at their peaks. I'm not arguing that. But when one guy has 2 rings and 2 SB MVPs and the other guys have zero, that's not insignificant, that's all I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
And that's why I compare him to Edelman, whose post season production is among the best of all time at his position: 19 games, 118 catches, 1,422 yards, 7 TDs. His best SB catches weren't even in the one where he won MVP:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
(Never mind that "concussion" title on the second one. He got popped for sure, but there is an angle showing that Kam Chancellor hit him clean on the shoulder. He gets up slow at the end because he got a hip pointer on a punt return earlier in the game.)
I think putting Edelman or Eli in the HOF would be like putting Kirk Gibson or Bobby Thompson in the MLB HOF. They were are all good players who were involved in some of the most memorable post season heroics. But take away those heroics and they are aren't even borderline HOFers. Even though Eli was a prolific thrower of interceptions and an all-time average QB, he seems to get a lot of HOF support. I think sending the Patriots to 18-1 is a big part of that (even though the D deserves more credit for the win, just like Tampa's in last season's SB). As was being a member of the Manning family, and playing for a big market team.
I mean, yes it is. Tom Coughlin probably belongs in the Hall of Fame. Eli Manning sucks. He's white Jameis Winston. But who fucking cares about the football hall of fame?Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
New point of debate: is Edelman a better QB than Eli Manning. I say yes.
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Hines Ward, good as he was, was a total dick and cheap shot artist.
Fuck him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QmrQySukr4Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
yeah, fuck that noise.
No way Cam is a HOF candidate. One great year, bunch of stats
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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/hof/hofm_QB.htmQuote:
Originally Posted by detrusor
he is no shoo in but he has a chance. last year hurt him but i feel a resurgence this season.
Clowney to the Browns.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...0m-source-says
If he's healthy that will be one fun pass rush with Myles Garrett.
This is interesting, but for different reasons than in years past:
"The Browns now have three of the past seven No. 1 overall draft picks on their roster, including quarterback Baker Mayfield."
Brownies will be in the mix this year
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Man I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by ticketchecker
Clowney supposedly grades out great against the run. Good tandem with Garrett. I like that this means they all of a sudden have no huge defensive holes. Which means the draft becomes wide openQuote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Clowney has been coasting since that Michigan hit in 2013. One of the most overhyped players of this era.
Your funny BM's. And I thought I had problems being a Niner's fan. Hopefully we are both happy (er) next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Thanks for the ray of fucking sunshine.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
what a hit it was thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIu22jokKKk
Says he’s 5th in the league for something about pass rush efficiency. Garrett is 3rd.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
We should be used to this.Quote:
Originally Posted by EWG
As a Michigan fan, that hit hurt me.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
Mother of God. I had never seen that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
just remember, nothing can hurt you more than jim harbaugh.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Allow me to sit you down and tell you a story of Rich Rodriguez. And the dark years that followed 40 years of tranquility called the Schembechler-Carr era.Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
"he doesn't hit that hard - Carson Wentz"Quote:
Originally Posted by EWG
Carson Wentz is like a more generous Mitchell Trubisky.Quote:
Originally Posted by cinnepa
Bridgewater's a donkey
For a 6th rounder. Congratulations on all your success Teddy. Ooof.
Just heard the Teddy has been traded twice, both times for Darnold. He must hate that guy
I don't see the rationale for Denver here...
If it's Lock, then roll with Lock. If you want to get a new guy, then see if you can get in the 4-7 range tomorrow.
Teddy is just a waste of time. "Bridge QB" is one of those cringey NFL terms that means your guy isn't any good.
As a donkey fanboy I like this a lot! 6th round pick and they only have to pay $3mill of his salary. Solid teacher whether its Locke or they draft someone else at QB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruiser
edited to respond to hatchgreenchile, for a 6th round pick and low cost why wouldnt you add a solid backup even if he never plays a down I think its a great trade. Hoe many 6th round solid qb's (even backups) are out there?
I'd prefer they keep Kendall Hinton as the backup QB.
I think you ride with Drew, for better or worse, or you blow it up. Adding Bridgewater doesn't change that reality.
Fair, I too think you ride with Drew but having a veteran to mentor and push is a good thing in my book - I personally hope they pick Micah Parsons and get a stud middle linebacker.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
Time for a new thread…do we have any Bucs fans that can do the honor ? You Patriots fans who bandwagoned down to Tampa don’t count
Warthog to the white courtesy phone! He is the only Tampa resident I know on here.Quote:
Originally Posted by hatchgreenchile
my god, i guess it is official: sam fkn darnold is our starting qb. what in the fuck.
Were you hoping for Mitchell Trubisky?Quote:
Originally Posted by stealurface831
you're right. things could be worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier