I bet they just put the moguls away for the summer.
Gotta wonder where they store them all
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I bet they just put the moguls away for the summer.
Gotta wonder where they store them all
well, that is disappointing. do any of the alps summer places let the bumps form? hows about passo stelvio or zermatt? les duex alpes maybe?
Peak number one
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Route scouting for peak number 2
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Looked sometime at this line and got it in today
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One more
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tignes before had a whole piste of bumps for summer training camps.Quote:
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One more
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People dying in Switzerland. 5 dead found on Saturday. https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/wall...ot-aufgefunden
1 dead on Friday.
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Forums are alive again. Roger Roger.
Yeah crazy, already 11 avi victims in may in Switzerland. Usually it is less then 1 per average.
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Wow, that's heartbreaking.
It's summer and this board has been mess so not sure how much traffic is here, but got a question for you Euro types w younger kids . We are considering bringing the Duff clan to euroland toward the end of March beginning of April next year for the kids school break Kids will be 12 and 8, both fairly strong skiiers for their age. My wife's big concern is how do you guys ski off piste safely with younger kids? I'm not talking about big consequential lines , but the kids are used to North American mountains where everything is patrolled and bombed into submission and prefer skiing powder ,bowls, trees , bumps , etc. They would be bored to tears groomer zooming for a whole week. I'm less concerned about the 12 year old as he has had some side country experience, but more asking how to do this with an 8 year old who obviously doesn't have any avy training or gear. Also she usually spends a couple days in ski school ,but again would hate us if they kept her on easy groomers the whole time and would refuse to go back a second day. How does that work at this age?Also if we got a guide a few days , would guides even take kids that young? Is there any type of safely accessable way of skiing non groomed terrain with younger kids? Sorry for the Euro kid JONG question. Any advice is appreciated.
I think there's a much bigger question here about what your family's risk tolerance is, and what you and your wife are comfortable with. I don't think you can eliminate risk entirely here, but you can do your part to check the forecast, use terrain shading maps to identify areas less likely to slide, practice safe skiing by allowing only one person on the slopes at a time, etc. With two adults I would:Quote:
Originally Posted by Duffman
1. Choose days when the forecast is relatively low
2. Choose terrain that isn't sustained over 35 degrees or that has complex or steep starting zones
3. Have one adult ski to an island of relative safety, putting in a "left barrier" or a "right barrier" track
4. Have the kid ski to the adult
5. Have an adult ski last
Obvs put a beacon on the little one, but that's all she would need
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I skied Euroland as a kid [emoji637][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]]-[emoji637][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]yrs and as an adult and never was I bored to tears skiing groomers. Skiing is fun!
It’s a good opportunity to explain the cultural differences between Europe and the US and to educate them about how terrain is managed differently. There are certainly plenty of zones in between runs and areas that directly impacting that are managed, but you’ll have to be the judge of what is appropriate in the moment.
You can always stick to ski routes if they are marked as open. At least in Austria these are avi controlled (though check at the specific ski lifts if that's the case locally). They will be marked as open or closed on the lift info boards depending on the conditions.
Not sure how this is handled outside of Austria though.
Personally, if avalanche/ snow conditons are generally stable and my kids can handle the terrain, I would not find them too risky to take kids down.
But definitely stick a beacon on them.
Here's more info:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ski_route
Edit to add: obviously depends on the terrain. Some ski routes here are super mellow meadowskipping next to pistes, others can be a bit more challenging. So really depends on general avi conditions and skiing ability, so always check them out and be sure before you head off
I agree with all of the above.
Maybe considering st. Anton and verbier for your trip.
All the obvious runs get skied daily. This has a positive effect on the snowpack! So I see no problem to go explore with the family! If you have a foot fresh overnight. Everything is tracked by noon. So the days after in stable weather it could be good. If the avalanche bulletin goes to lvl 2 I consider it save. Tracked out runs / ski routes / no hanging snowfields above etc.
Scoring first lines is a different game.
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is anyone else having issues with this site as of late?! ok, hopefully this lands with some of you. I am looking at klosters for 8 days of riding over christmas/new years week. i fully get that the alps are busy that time of year but wondering if klosters zone is manageable or a full on gong show. wife and i found a nice spot to crash and wanted to check out this zone but wanted to check on busy factor....thanks!
Probably one of the more manageable zones around New year. There will be people, but it won't be verbier or st. Anton ;) I don't think you'll wait more than 20-30 min to get on the mountain. Unless it's a powder day and even then that area is not a mega mad Max style shit show like Engelberg. On the hill things should spread out
Some mags have first hand experience though. They'll probably chime in.
@Duffman
My 2c, since my kids school holiday is roughly in the same period (a week anywhere between the end of March and 15-20 April) - go high, a gletscher ideally, the sun is strong and a major factor by that time of the year, even if its cold. There is plenty of sidecountry terrain that is easily recognizable, safe and is regularly skied by uncles on skinny skis and sunglasses. I've been skiing small sidecountry lines (small forest and fields next to/between pists) with my now 12yo for the last 2 years, its easy to spot the safe zones. The Alps experience by itself is something.
I am 12 hrs away by car, so I've had instances of going lower elevation, but that was determined by favourable forecasts. Considering you need to book flights, accom and such in advance, high elevation would be my first priority. Have fun!
@Duffman which part of the alps you thinking of going?
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Hey Rossy, how was your season? Good skiing in the Karpaty?
I didn't move to Poland before the winter was over. I'll let you know this winter though.Quote:
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I'm hoping the Polish and Slowakia mountains will be kind to its latest edition with deep cold delights. How was your season? Where did you end up at Easter time?
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Thanks for all the tips everyone. I'm pretty open location wise , Im sitting on a ton of credit card points so basically keeping my eyes open for good free flights for a family of 4 if possible No specific region is a mustQuote:
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My season was top notch. Really good Dec, Jan and Feb at home. March was a mixed bag. I was sniping for an Eastern Alps forecast trip with the boys, but the conditions just werent there. For Easter we went to Molltaler again, which was closed for the first three days due to wind/storm. So we skied Obertilliach-Golzentipp, Kals-Matrei and had a decent pow day in an undisclosed location, that I vowed to subtle to never publicly name :D</p>
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The last three days Moll opened up. Had a few decent runs, before everything got skied and walked away from a speedy nasty fall, banged up but overall healthy. Talked to the staff and worked out a compensation for the three day closure, which was nice. Now I got couple of hundred euros in credit without expiration date, so will have to visit again at some point. Came back home to a dream -10C dump, so finished it off nicely. Probably my best season to this day.</p>
Hey All....similar to a few posts earlier we are planning a Europe trip with the fam (wife, 8 and 18 yr old) to Zermatt and Cham for new years and the week after. We understand it'll be crowded, $$$ and early season but with school and college breaks what they are this was the time period that works.We're Tahoe skiers (Alpine) typically. My wife is an expert boarder but each year enjoys long cruisers more and more. 8 yr old is comfortable on all black runs in Tahoe groomed or not. The 18 yr old will ski anywhere w me. I plan on bringing my touring gear and his avy gear but the focus of the trip is gonna be skiing w the fam, maybe 1-2 days touring/off piste. We took the older kid to Hokkaido when he was 9 and then the fam to Red Mtn a few years ago but skiing in Europe will be new to all of us. Read the past threads and a few questions.
- Planning on staying in Tasch as it's insanely more affordable and right next to the train station. Outside of the charm of Zermatt itself, is this much more of a hassle each day? Seems like a 10-15 min train > depending on which base area a bus, etc. restaurants seem limited and planning on 5 nights.
- Any must do apres or restaurants? We don't need/want a super fancy meal just good food/experience.
- Is it worth the extra $ to ski into Italy one day for coffee/lunch?
- While not free ride are the yellow marked routes a good middle ground at Zermatt?
- Any good guide recs for the fam in Cham? Would love to have a guide show the fam around one day and then an off piste/tour a 2nd day for myself and the oldest.
Appreciate any advice. Thanks!
Yellow marked runs are our inbound terrain.... if they're open there won't be avies. Usually only 10 to 20m left and right of the markers though. But be warned. They get skied if they're not open as well. As does everything else these days after a storm. So if there is fresh see it as back country. Albeit with heavy skier traffic beneath so a bit safer usually.