If only there was something we could do...

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

It's the rage, the disrespect, the complete lack of compassion for what's left of our culture as it shatters in the grindstones of tribalist media.

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T-shirt worthy.


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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

It's the rage, the disrespect, the complete lack of compassion for what's left of our culture as it shatters in the grindstones of tribalist media.

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The cure is to be more charitable with one another but the disease is ancient.

Switzerland has a ton of guns of all types, but a lot more regulation with regard to registration, gun maintenance and use.
Even though Switzerland has at least 4 very different cultures, French, German, Italian and Romansch, there's a national identity, a pride of conduct that's completely lacking in the United States.

All this shit starts right here with you.

We need to own that first.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Switzerland has a ton of guns of all types, but a lot more regulation with regard to registration, gun maintenance and use.
Even though Switzerland has at least 4 very different cultures, French, German, Italian and Romansch, there's a national identity, a pride of conduct that's completely lacking in the United States.

All this shit starts right here with you.

We need to own that first.

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Don’t adult males in Switzerland have a service rifle at home because most of them are part of the reserve forces?

I read about it in McPhee’s book “La Place de Concorde Suisse”.

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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn

Don’t adult males in Switzerland have a service rifle at home because most of them are part of the reserve forces?

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Yup.
Still, Americans need to remember how to respect each other.

I knew 2 young people who went thru the process in Canada of taking a weekend 2day course to get an FAC including the restricted weapons cert and then killed themselves which all involves involves a lot of fore thot

I think people will get guns it they want them especially in a country that already has 400 million guns

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...ths-by-country

if you google gundeaths by country ^^^ USA does not win, its brazil by a long shot (pun intended)

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

The cure is to be more charitable with one another but the disease is ancient.

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Lots of folks don’t deserve charitable treatment even if they are polite. We are where we are because….decorum. Corporate interests and the ensuing political interests have run roughshod over what’s best for our society because they’ve done it quietly and politely.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

We are where we are because….decorum. .

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Disagree.
Admittedly, fake respect is part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid

When he said "I think" he said it all.

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Sorry it went over your head.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Lots of folks don’t deserve charitable treatment even if they are polite. We are where we are because….decorum. Corporate interests and the ensuing political interests have run roughshod over what’s best for our society because they’ve done it quietly and politely.

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So we rant at strangers from the comfort of our devices.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Some folks don’t deserve charitable treatment. We are where we are because….decorum. Corporate interests and the ensuing political interests have run roughshod over what’s best for our society because they’ve done it quietly and politely.

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I'm referring to human violence. Early humans lacked cultural means such as politics to resolve differences and instead opted for routine violence to resolve differences. It often resulted in group annihilation.

Beyond just competition for scarce resources, it's now thought conflict was and is driven by less-than-conscious imitative or memetic desire to compete for status. We all compete for status. With nihilists and the psychotically violent status competition happens through violent imitation.

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Originally Posted by Bobby Stainless

So we rant at strangers from the comfort of our devices.

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Nothing I’ve said that I wouldn’t say to you or anyone else like you’s face

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

I'm referring to human violence. Early humans lacked cultural means such as politics to resolve differences and instead opted for routine violence to resolve differences. It often resulted in group annihilation.

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Doesn't that line of reasoning end up passively justifying a complete lack of social progress?

I'm not buying the fake respect argument either.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

I'm referring to human violence. Early humans lacked cultural means such as politics to resolve differences and instead opted for routine violence to resolve differences. It often resulted in group annihilation.

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I see and agree

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Originally Posted by Flounder

Gun manufacturers can’t be sued if their guns are used in a crime thanks to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act. Really limits the cost for them. They can flood the market with lethal weapons essentially without consequences.

The Sandy Hook families got Remington by suing for their marketing campaign. Sure seems like the same law could be used against Daniels but Texas probably has even more protections for gun manufacturers.

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Texas has a law on the books that prohibits banks from doing business with public entities in the state of Texas if they are deemed to be discriminatory towards firearm businesses. That’s how completely fucked of a state you get when there’s total Republican control.


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Is it safe to say that the carnage laid down by long time firearm owners during workplace and domestic incidents far exceeds the carnage laid out by the "I just bought a gun to suddenly go nuts with" firearm owners? Serious question.. Add in road rage to that death toll.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Doesn't that line of reasoning end up passively justifying a complete lack of social progress?

I'm not buying the fake respect argument either.

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It's not about respect. It's about denying complexities and instead promoting sameness rather than ordered differences. It's important to recognize this isn't an ethical argument, it's a descriptive argument. Things spiral out control when one group or one person hierarchically tries to dominate another into submission. In response the behavior is imitated and returned ‘with interest’ i.e., with greater force.

Social progress occurred when imitation became more humble and non-violent. Now when our neighbor buys a new car or whatever, instead killing them and taking it for ourselves we imitate them and if we can outdo them by buying an even nicer car.

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Originally Posted by mcphee

Nothing I’ve said that I wouldn’t say to you or anyone else like you’s face

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Ok. Tough guy.

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

Is it safe to say that the carnage laid down by long time firearm owners during workplace and domestic incidents far exceeds the carnage laid out by the "I just bought a gun to suddenly go nuts with" firearm owners? Serious question.. Add in road rage to that death toll.

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That's not very hard to figure out. Mass shootings such as the one in TX are the ultimate fringe of gun violence. I would imagine most instances are fueled by alcohol.

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

You guys can go read any of the last few threads on this topic and will find BS making the same arguments. So have fun with banging your head against that wall.

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Interesting how many people’s fetish is being gaslit.

Go find any other thread on this topic and the conversation was dragged into basically the same cesspool of circular bullshit by the same person.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

It's not about respect. It's about denying complexities and instead promoting sameness rather than ordered differences.

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Explain the difference.

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It's important to recognize this isn't an ethical argument, it's a descriptive argument. Things spiral out control when one group or one person hierarchically tries to dominate another into submission. In response the behavior is imitated and returned ‘with interest’ i.e., with greater force.

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That behavior is integral to a lack of respect, an inability to listen.

Conspiracy nuts going bonkers over TV coverage that supposedly purports that one of the victims had “two fathers” and “impossible! The crisis machine at work!”

Truth is they interviewed her dad and, separately, a different crew, CNN with Anderson Cooper, interviewed the stepdad.


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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Interesting how many people’s fetish is being gaslit.

Go find any other thread on this topic and the conversation was dragged into basically the same cesspool of circular bullshit by the same person.

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There's an ignore function.

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Explain the difference.

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It's a paradox. Modern values strive for equality and flat hierarchies. When that happens groups or individuals feel like they lose status and respond by demanding distinct recognition. The longing for recognition is a fundamental human trait. Even the most successful and most peaceful societies create slights, injustices, make unreasonable demands, and is filled with frustrations of all sorts. No matter how fair, almost anyone can feel humiliated. People are never satisfied.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

It's a paradox. Modern values strive for equality and flat hierarchies. When that happens groups or individuals feel like they lose status and respond by demanding distinct recognition. The longing for recognition is a fundamental human trait.

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But isn't that what respect is all about? I don't think of it as an equalizer or homogenizer. I think of it as a requirement to listen and appreciate differences and the only pathway to "recognize".