PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

I guess I'll have to take a look at the Wintersteiger bits if I need a new one any time soon

Assuming they work for inserts

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The only 1/4" stepped bits I know of are made by SVST.

http://www.slidewright.com/prodimage...bits_large.jpg

The 1/4" bit is the bottom one, above. Note that the main diameter is 5/16" to fit in jigs. The step remaining is 1/32" for a 1/4" bit. It stops, but if you just keep driving the bit, it can keep going. A stop is encouraged if you are unsure. Using a stop on top of a guide can be bomber and idiot proof:

http://www.slidewright.com/wp-conten...ing-guide1.jpg

Here are more tips on drilling skis.

And

Binding Freedom Stainless Steel Threaded Insert Installation

What he eloquently said ^^^^.

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Originally Posted by Alpinord

A stop is encouraged if you are unsure. Using a stop on top of a guide can be bomber and idiot proof:

http://www.slidewright.com/wp-conten...ing-guide1.jpg

Here are more tips on drilling skis.

And

Binding Freedom Stainless Steel Threaded Insert Installation

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Ya so that^^ will do the same thing as a wine bottle cork but it doesnt come with wine so you won't get drunk ... probably won't get laid

Terry, I'll bet all those binding bits are made by the same company and just branded differently. Mine say Wintersteiger on them 3.6x9 and 4.1x9. I've seen Montana and other brands too. They also have a nice sharp point that won't wander as easily from the punchmark as a standard drill bit

Ski rat, you'll need the 6.5?mm version for inserts. The one sold by binding freedom has a stop. Mine's pretty old and I don't think chamfers the hole like the Wintersteiger/SVST/Montana/???.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Hey! Save that snark for the wine cork dude - I just sat here all smug and shit and didn't post a thing.

However...I coulda.

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I'm just jealous. My wife won't let me get one...press or nail gun. I did manage to sneak a table saw home a last year. I'm working off the demerits.

Just don't grab a 14mm nordic bit to drill an alpine ski, or a 9mm adult bit for a junior ski...

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

I guess I'll have to take a look at the Wintersteiger bits if I need a new one any time soon

Assuming they work for inserts

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Didnt you say you had a stepped bit and the instal still went sideways, htf did that happen for sake of curiousity?



Stepped bits are stepped for 2 reasons, theoretically they make it impossible for some stoner in a shop to drill thru a ski but also to fit in the sleeves on mounting jigs

They don't center punch anything, just clamp the jig hopefully double check and zap zap with the drill

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Terry, I'll bet all those binding bits are made by the same company and just branded differently. Mine say Wintersteiger on them 3.6x9 and 4.1x9. I've seen Montana and other brands too. They also have a nice sharp point that won't wander as easily from the punchmark as a standard drill bit

Ski rat, you'll need the 6.5?mm version for inserts. The one sold by binding freedom has a stop. Mine's pretty old and I don't think chamfers the hole like the Wintersteiger/SVST/Montana/???.

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That may be true on standard tips, but the 1/4" has been manufactured by SVST. It's an American specialty thing and not main stream Euro.

They now own and fabricate (or have fabricated) Jigarex and Binding Freedom products, including screws. Alpine screws, brass and nylon inserts are by Snoli. Maybe some drill bits for them and others, too.

SVST were machinists before ski tool makers. They make all of their guides and other ski tools. They switch gears for the off season and fabricate very nice fly fishing reels. It's pretty cool to watch.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Terry, I'll bet all those binding bits are made by the same company and just branded differently. Mine say Wintersteiger on them 3.6x9 and 4.1x9. I've seen Montana and other brands too. They also have a nice sharp point that won't wander as easily from the punchmark as a standard drill bit

Ski rat, you'll need the 6.5?mm version for inserts. The one sold by binding freedom has a stop. Mine's pretty old and I don't think chamfers the hole like the Wintersteiger/SVST/Montana/???.

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Came here to say the same; BF does sell a collared bit with the correct bit diameter for inserts. The standard SVST bit isn't big enough (that's what she said). I have both and I'll see if I can snap a picture to show the difference.

$40 bucks or less, has worked great. The springs just get in the way though, so I removed them.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

Didnt you say you had a stepped bit and the instal still went sideways, htf did that happen for sake of curiousity?



Stepped bits are stepped for 2 reasons, theoretically they make it impossible for some stoner in a shop to drill thru a ski but also to fit in the sleeves on mounting jigs

They don't center punch anything, just clamp the jig hopefully double check and zap zap with the drill

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If you look at the BF stepped bit you'd see it's not much of a step. I have no idea how it happened tbh, I went to add some more depth to a hole and well, when I went to tap I wasn't getting that resistance until I noticed I had drilled through.

Also mebe its a THIN ski ?

I'm laughing at you beaters, drilled through a ski?
What the fuck is wrong with you clowns?
Buy the Wintersteiger bits, for fucks sake

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

I'm laughing at you beaters, drilled through a ski?
What the fuck is wrong with you clowns?
Buy the Wintersteiger bits, for fucks sake

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Telling me you've never fucked up a mount Buttah?

And XXX-er, it was an ON3P Steeple, so I don't think so?

Of course I have, shit happens in busy shops.
Spinners happen.
We coil it and move on.
Drilling through a ski, never.

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

Of course I have, shit happens in busy shops.
Spinners happen.
We coil it and move on.
Drilling through a ski, never.

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Then you've never seen a shop fuck up a mount like that?

I have. A newbie mounting a ski is still a newbie.

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

Then you've never seen a shop fuck up a mount like that?

I have. A newbie mounting a ski is still a newbie.

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Huh?
Not sure I understand what you are saying
Shop guys never use collars ever.
Wintersteiger 3.5x9.5 and 4.1x9.5 and 3.6x9 are the most common bits at every shop in the world.
Drop down to 7 for the kids ski, good to go all day, everyday

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

Huh?
Not sure I understand what you are saying
Shop guys never use collars ever.
Wintersteiger 3.5x9.5 and 4.1x9.5 and 3.6x9 are the most popular bits at every shop in the world.
Drop down to 7 for the kids ski, good to go all day, everyday

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I'm asking if you've never seen a shop fuck up a mount and drill through a ski. An inexperienced person drilling a ski is still inexperienced regardless of location.


I mean with inserts. Inserts don't use that bit. The insert step is much smaller than a traditional stepped bit.

Dude, are you partially retarded?

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Originally Posted by nyskirat

I'm asking if you've never seen a shop fuck up a mount and drill through a ski. An inexperienced person drilling a ski is still inexperienced regardless of location.


I mean with inserts. Inserts don't use that bit. The insert step is much smaller than a traditional stepped bit.

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Shop mismounts come in many flavors. they include, but are not limited to:

• Un repaired spinners
• Mis-drilling hidden by the binding
• Unfilled hidden holes allowing moisture into the core
• Poor fore/aft placement
• Poor side to side placement
• facing wrong way on a twin tip
• bad boot center mark
• dimples
• forward pressure/afd/din all wrong
• toe-heel misalignment
• Many others

I think butta is right that he has not seen a shop drill through a ski, as they generally don't do anything with an unstepped bit. Not defending his attitude, but technically, he is right.

BTW- I have drilled through a ski. First time I used a drill press. Carefully set the depth. then moved the table, and forgot to set the depth again.

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Originally Posted by hhtele

Shop mismounts come in many flavors. they include, but are not limited to:




I think butta is right that he has not seen a shop drill through a ski, as they generally don't do anything with an unstepped bit. Not defending his attitude, but technically, he is right.

BTW- I have drilled through a ski. First time I used a drill press. Carefully set the depth. then moved the table, and forgot to set the depth again.

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I understand that and am not arguing against that point. But a stepped drill is not a surefire way to avoid errors, especially with inserts. Anyone who has done inserts knows that the stepped bit from BF has a much smaller step (not sure if this is the correct term but w/e) than a traditional mounting bit.

Damn shop rats are taking over a DIY thread. Again. Just can't sit back and enjoy the carnage, eh?

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Originally Posted by buttahflake

I'm laughing at you beaters, drilled through a ski?
What the fuck is wrong with you clowns?
Buy the Wintersteiger bits, for fucks sake

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Ski screws aren't always the same exact length. I like setting the depth exactly where "I" want it, not where the bit wants it. I have always used 9/64" and 5/32" standard quality bits. Never had a problem. What, do you not know how to measure or something? :D

That's a pretty thorough list, shit happens even in the most controlled of environments.
Wrong direction on twins has not happened yet, ski tips go left on the bench.
The serial number and size will be legible on the sidewall and the mounting info underfoot, will also be easily read.
However if the twins are symetric, we ask if they want to flop them.
It looks badass

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Originally Posted by 3PinGrin

Ski screws aren't always the same exact length. I like setting the depth exactly where "I" want it, not where the bit wants it. I have always used 9/64" and 5/32" standard quality bits. Never had a problem. What, do you not know how to measure or something? :D

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So many beaters
So little time