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Add to all of the above re 1918 vs now is the fact we now have actual scientifically proven treatments. Pictures of full influenza wards from a century ago were essentially hospice care. Whereas today we know as hospitals approach capacity the fatality rate doubles and in the absence of care the fatality rate multiplies.
You're saying that health care should not be left to whims of free market capitalism? Why do you hate America?Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...VEe81sVH80YayE
This past week, the entire state of Idaho has moved to crisis standards of care, in which resources are stretched so thin that patients may be treated based on who has the best chances of survival. Still, that news, which seems alarming enough to me, isn’t necessarily getting through. I’ve noticed that hospitals increasingly are inviting reporters directly into the ICU wards, in a maddening bid to try to convince the public, after all these months, that the pandemic even exists.
But it turns out this denial behavior is not only normal, it was totally foreseeable, according to Steven Taylor, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver, B.C.
Taylor would know because he predicted it. He wrote a remarkable little book back in 2019 called “The Psychology of Pandemics.” Its premise is that pandemics are “not simply events in which some harmful microbe ‘goes viral,’” but rather are mass psychological phenomena about the behaviors, attitudes and emotions of people.
The book came out pre-COVID and yet predicts every trend and trope we’ve been living for 19 months now: the hoarding of supplies like toilet paper at the start; the rapid spread of “unfounded rumors and fake news”; the backlash against masks and vaccines; the rise and acceptance of conspiracy theories; and the division of society into people who “dutifully conform to the advice of health authorities” — sometimes compulsively so — and those who “engage in seemingly self-defeating behaviors such as refusing to get vaccinated.”
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
Yup and that number for the 1918 pandemic spans more time than where we are to date in this pandemic.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
Hey. I've been pro-socialized healthcare* for many years now. Our current methods are beyond effed. It all needs to be nuked from orbit. You'll get no argument from me there. The nuance of that conversation are for another thread, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
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Anything that let's you institutionalize fat shaming, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
LOL @ Montucky.
this is from last nights NBC nightly news. at 1:25 Dave Gutierrez shows a clip of a guy he interviewed in the ICU a couple weeks ago about not getting vaxxed (patient said he would not wish Covid on anyone). Shortly after the interview he was put on a vent. This last weekend he died leaving behind a young son.Quote:
Originally Posted by old_newguy
This story should be played over and over again but yanno... crisis actors and the jab kills you so.......
https://youtu.be/_MRS4G8thKQ
Canada has universal HC and we got exactly the same thing going on as the USA does right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
Anti vaxers clogging up the ICU in hospitols while denying they have covid
I've had a few friends move to northern Idaho because they can't stand all the restrictions that Gov. Brown has put in place in Oregon. It's a weird reaction...the idea that putting on a mask, SD'ing, and getting vaccinated is so difficult that they felt the need to upend their lives and move away. Seemingly the idea these folks share is that they would rather keep the pandemic going than move on from it out of fear of the other political team getting a win.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
<goes and votes for candidates SPECIFICALLY opposed to anything of the sort>Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
:rolleyes:
Vaccine mandates and rationed care are a big part of socialized healthcare if we want it to succeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Good short read from Eric Boelehrt: “the brainwashing of the COVID zombies”.
https://pressrun.media/p/media-ignor...y-brainwashing
We are fuct.
Correct. Owning the libs has become more important than admitting they’re right about the vaccines. It’s mind numbing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
Meanwhile conference rooms in Idaho hospitals are being used for ICUs.
This didn't last long: Eric Clapton Breaks Vow To Never Play Venue With Vaccine Mandate
https://news.yahoo.com/eric-clapton-...m0wo6NcJNW-NNw
He's not fully vaccinated correct? got the first jab but not the second?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carl_Mega
also, regarding the Spokane area, is it correct to say it is less stringent with enforcing the State's masking requirements than other metro areas like Seattle or Olympia?
Can I just say how pissed off I am at my anti-vaxxer friend for spreading misinformation about the vax with her "4 family members have died from the jab!" BS? I've started to see posts about the vax killing people show up in the comment sections of local health and government posts on FB. I know she's contributing to it indirectly though not posting herself. She is vocal and has a big audience locally. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.Quote:
Originally Posted by seano732
4 people in her large extended family may have indeed died since the roll out of the vax but I have serious doubts that there is a direct correlation to them being vaxxed. If she thinks just because they got the jab then a death occured sometime later equals the vax killed them then why couldn't it have just as easily been a hamburger they ate the week before or may it was their last bowel movement.
Fuckin' pissed.
Hey. Don't act like you guys are immune to the idiocy of healthcare layoffs during a pandemic. Great job you guys are doing there with your UHC!Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
Ontario Hospitals To Lay Off Over 100 Nurses Despite Staff Shortages
https://www.huffpost.com/archive/ca/...b674713cc6c252
Alberta Health Services to lay off up to 11,000 staff, mostly through outsourcingQuote:
Originally Posted by Huffington Post
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ndro-1.5760155
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Originally Posted by CBC
You're goddam right!Quote:
Originally Posted by riser3
I like Japan. Great healthcare system. They don't mess around. Let's be more like Japan. But I digress. We've already covered that ad nauseum previously somewhere in this thread ages ago.
There's been an interesting spike in dubious social media claims lately. A lot more: "I got it and now have XYZ" or the uncollaborated "my wife's cousin's friend's sister in-law's coworker got it and died". Russian trolls, liars, mentally ill and bad-faith amplifiers. I seem to remember, many months back, Montucky claimed that several friends had severe reactions including (IIRC) bells palsy. Haven't heard about that since. Hmmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by KQ
The hot girl on fb keeps telling me to look at VAERS, 25k dead including 28 children. I tried to point out that even if that was true 28k is still very small compared to total vaxxes given but she insists this is a huge coverup.
He wasn't disagreeing with you...he said the same thing is happening in Canada. It's because of the antivaccinating covidiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried
There's a lot more to it than fat shaming. But I think you're only board with it because of the fat shaming. Otherwise your professed politics would be a lot different.Quote:
Originally Posted by MontuckyFried