Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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I'm young and want to keep it shut down. Why the fuck should we head back out there to make the rich richer while we carry the risk so they can make money?

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Originally Posted by Ted Striker

<snip> Trump is playing an entirely different ball game.

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Not even really a ball game. He's playing with these things:

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/DJ1BK6/sim...ngs-DJ1BK6.jpg

Fuck you too Austin.

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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This is why grown-ups are making the decisions about this. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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I find your positions so interesting since you're exactly the class of person that will be hit hardest by Right Wing policies. I always wonder what can convince this kind of person.

By going back to work, we increase the likelihood of a much longer and much worse economic impact. Look at the Spanish flu histories. Not to mention the possibility of either you or someone on your household getting the COVID-19 and even dying and at least the economic impacts of that.

All the love, man, but really, reign it in, look at what we've learned from past pandemics.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

Fuck you too Austin.

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really unnecessary.

Speaking of $$. The us Fed checks: are they an “advance” on our 2020 tax refund (for overpayment)? I’m sure this is somewhere up thread. I can’t keep up. I still have a job, working harder than ever but with 10% less pay, 10% reduction in all other benefits, and 20% less PTO accrual. Not complaining and hoping I don’t get sick. Wife took big income hit.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Not even really a ball game. He's playing with these things:

-simple-plastic-baby-toy-stacked-colorful-rings-

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True. I don't want to get too poliass here, but my point is that Pence is in the devil you know category, whereas trump is the devil's greatest achievement.

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

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I can understand your frustration, but IT'S NOT JUST YOUR RISK!

To wit, read this letter on Slate:
https://slate.com/human-interest/202...d-feeding.html

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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Yeah, the trick is figuring out a better reopening rather than a worse reopening. We live in a democracy and people aren't going to allow this to go on but by the same token even if all government restrictions were lifted tomorrow that doesn't mean people will resume their old way of life, that enough jobs will reappear.

The fact is our best hope is with human ingenuity, masks, tests, and other approaches for reducing both COVID-19 and economic risk. Because the reality is, no matter what policy is pursued, the two aren't separable.

Here's the swiss plan to reopen...

https://www.thelocal.ch/20200415/ins...virus-lockdown

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

really unnecessary.

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Agree.

Austin, what exactly do you mean by ‘carefully’ opening things up? Do you agree with some or all of the metrics proposed by Gov Newsom?

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

Speaking of $$. The us Fed checks: are they an “advance” on our 2020 tax refund (for overpayment)? I’m sure this is somewhere up thread.

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https://taxfoundation.org/federal-co...l-cares-act/#0

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Originally Posted by The AD

I can understand your frustration, but IT'S NOT JUST YOUR RISK!

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I'm pretty sure he doesn't understand this subtle point. :rolleyes:

If he *does* understand this, then he's just an asshole.

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

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that's not how public health works.

We have workplace standards because low wage workers will put up with unsafe working conditions if they need a job.

We have standards for approval of drugs and for inspection of agriculture because people cannot make choices regarding their health and nutrition if companyies aren't held accountable.

Those are not choices -- whether to work at the unsafe factory or whether to take an untested drug or eat food not subject to cleanliness standards -- that individuals have the training or knowledge to make as an individual choice.

And when you "open back up", it is not an individual choice. If the infections start to rise and hospitals get overwhelmed, other people will get hurt by your individual choice.

Austin, I get that you're hurting and I get where this is coming from, but seriously, public health is NOT an individual choice. The sooner you can wrap your head around that concept, the easier it will be to understand the policy choices being made.

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Originally Posted by concretejungle

I'm young and want to keep it shut down. Why the fuck should we head back out there to make the rich richer while we carry the risk so they can make money?

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um, the rich can sit it out; those building assets, savings or businesses crossing from middle class to rich are the ones going to be decimated and many will not get the chance again to build up to where they were in January over a pandemic that has a fatality rate of one thousandth of a percent.

"CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died."

https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/

we have put a recession and probably depression in the coming for likely less covid hospitalizations and maybe covid deaths.

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Originally Posted by concretejungle

I'm young and want to keep it shut down. Why the fuck should we head back out there to make the rich richer while we carry the risk so they can make money?

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+1

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Originally Posted by SkiCougar

um, the rich can sit it out; those building assets, savings or businesses crossing from middle class to rich are the ones going to be decimated and many will not get the chance again to build up to where they were in January over a pandemic that has a fatality rate of one thousandth of a percent.

"CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died."

https://time.com/5610878/2018-2019-flu-season/

we have put a recession and probably depression in the coming for likely less covid hospitalizations and maybe covid deaths.

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Wait.

There are still people fucking the "just a flu" chicken?? :confused:

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Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Gotta love all the boomers who keep saying "keep it all shut down" while still drawing their nice little retirement checks. While younger folks like me lost their damn job due to COVID, and now can't get a new job thanks to COVID keeping everyone shut down. I was literally being processed by HR to get a menial position at a new job when they got shut down too. Not sure how we're gonna survive, and no the little stimulus checks aren't going to cut it. Been trying like hell (unsuccessfully) to get on unemployment so don't go there.

I say open it back up, but carefully. You boomers just go back to quarantining yourselves if you're so scared and STFU while the rest of us get our asses back to work. I am DESPERATE to work again. Screw this shut down bullcrap. It should be individual's choice whether to take that risk. If you're truly scared, then hole up and go away.

SO easy for all the old folks to scream up from their high horses about everyone's safety while enjoying steady retirement income. Generational warfare's about to get real.

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Ill bet you watched NY get hammered and thought, can't happen here. That's OK, many millions are saying the same thing. so, goodbye Dallas, goodbye Casper, goodbye a ton of people who think they're immune.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

I'm pretty sure he doesn't understand this subtle point. :rolleyes:

If he *does* understand this, then he's just an asshole.

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Well that, plus it’s kinda odd he has no parents, aunts, uncles, or at risk or older friends he’s concerned about.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Wait.

There are still people fucking the "just a flu" chicken?? :confused:

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yes.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Wait.

There are still people fucking the "just a flu" chicken?? :confused:

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I vote for Cougar to go back to work right now. Ride the bus, shake hands a lot, don't wear a mask.

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Wait.

There are still people fucking the "just a flu" chicken?? :confused:

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Skoug has a bit of a one-track mind...

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Originally Posted by Rideski

Well that, plus it’s kinda odd he has no parents, aunts, uncles, or at risk or older friends he’s concerned about.

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The sum total worth of their lives is just the cost of doing business to Austin. Ya gotta crack some eggs to make am omelette, amiright?