Would you mind elaborating on this profound diversion from common US History?Quote:
Let's get him a few medals for protecting us from Mexico, while the less-privileged were fighting his daddy's war and dying in Viet Nam.
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Would you mind elaborating on this profound diversion from common US History?Quote:
Let's get him a few medals for protecting us from Mexico, while the less-privileged were fighting his daddy's war and dying in Viet Nam.
I think - but I'm not sure - he's joking about the Texas Nat'l Guard. Just like ppl might say the Washington Nat'l Guard is protecting us from Canada.Quote:
Originally posted by SledNeck
Would you mind elaborating on this profound diversion from common US History?
Maybe I should have been more specific....Quote:
Originally posted by KQ
I think - but I'm not sure - he's joking about the Texas Nat'l Guard. Just like ppl might say the Washington Nat'l Guard is protecting us from Canada.
I'm having a difficult time comprehending the daddy thing and how it relates to Vietnam. Must have been the private school I attended that conspired with the Bush's to selectively omit the most important facts of the Vietnam war.Quote:
while the less-privileged were fighting his daddy's war and dying in Viet Nam.
While daddy was working for Tricky Dick and helping make sure others' kids had to fight the war, George was flying around Texas and going AWOL in Alabama. Didn't think that really required explanation, but there ya go.
Subject of Campaign Rumor Denies She and Kerry Had an Affair
February 17, 2004
By JIM RUTENBERG
The woman at the center of unsubstantiated rumors that
Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts had an extramarital
affair released a statement on Monday in which she denied
any romantic involvement with him.
"I have never had a relationship with Senator Kerry, and
the rumors in the press are completely false," the woman,
Alexandra Polier, 27, said in the statement. "Whoever is
spreading these rumors and allegations does not know me,
but should know the pain they have caused me and my
family."
Ms. Polier, a freelance journalist, submitted the statement
to The Associated Press from the suburbs of Nairobi, Kenya,
where she has been staying since fall with the parents of
her fiancé. She once worked for The Associated Press as an
editorial assistant.
Mr. Kerry's campaign aides were of mixed emotions on
Monday. Clearly hopeful the statement would end days of
what they considered unwarranted speculation, they said
they were frustrated with having to address the subject
again.
"The issues facing this country are far too serious for the
press to be marketing in these types of rumors," Stephanie
Cutter, Mr. Kerry's press secretary, said in a statement.
While there was no independent evidence to support it, the
rumor has had a vibrant life on the Internet, on talk
radio, and in the foreign news media, especially in
Australia and England, since it was first reported Thursday
by the Drudge Report Web site. It has received far less
attention in the mainstream American news media.
Denials from Mr. Kerry on the radio program of Don Imus on
Friday, and later during a session with reporters, were
reported by some American television news organizations and
newspapers, including The New York Times, in most cases
without identifying Ms. Polier.
In her statement yesterday, Ms. Polier said she came
forward after days of silence because she was frustrated by
the attention the rumor was continuing to receive. "Because
these stories were false, I assumed the media would ignore
them," she wrote. "It seems that efforts to peddle these
lies continue, so I feel compelled to address them."
Apparently addressing a report in The Sun of London last
week in which Ms. Polier's father, Terry, was quoted as
criticizing Mr. Kerry, he and Ms. Polier's mother, Donna,
also released a statement yesterday. It read: "We have
spoken to our daughter and the allegations that have been
made regarding her are completely false and
unsubstantiated." The Poliers, of Malvern, Pa., added that
they intended to vote for Mr. Kerry for president.
anyone ever heard of Operation Desert Fox?Quote:
[Ha, ha. No, Clinton just didn't need to start a war to boost his popularity.[/B]
aka All of the sudden I care about Iraq not complying with weapons inspections
aka Monica Lewinsky? Blowjob? What? Hey everybody, look at Iraq! Yeah!
It was no different 5 years ago.
I find these democratic complaints over military service, or lack therof, amusing considering the arguments made by the same democrats 8 years ago that military service doesn't matter, and draft dodging is perfectly OK. AWOL or not, Bush did take steps that the champion of the Democratic Party and of American Presidential Popularity NEVER DID.
It just depends on what side of the fence you sit on, I suppose...
btw in today's military, failure to show for a physical is some serious shit. It's considered failure to show for a mandatory appointment, and will immediately cause disciplinary action to take place. It's not pleasant. You can't blow that shit off.
I sit on the side of the fence where not going to war for conscientious reasons is acceptable but lying through your teeth while claiming that you served your country in order is not.Quote:
Originally posted by Jetter
I find these democratic complaints over military service, or lack therof, amusing considering the arguments made by the same democrats 8 years ago that military service doesn't matter, and draft dodging is perfectly OK. AWOL or not, Bush did take steps that the champion of the Democratic Party and of American Presidential Popularity NEVER DID.
It just depends on what side of the fence you sit on, I suppose...
Bush did take steps that the Clinton didn't, but hey, maybe if Bush had been poor and smart instead of rich and dumb he'd have had to get out of the war by winning a Rhodes scholarship instead of having his daddy first get him out of harm's way and then not having the balls to finish even that limited responsibility. So who knows.
I guess you got fleeced too. Clinton has an ego the size of the Hindenburg and if you beleive he went to england on his puffing junket because he had "conscientios reasons" then I got a bridge to sell you. He just wanted to avoid getting shot at and wanted to smoke the peace pipe.Quote:
Originally posted by Alex P. Keaton
I sit on the side of the fence where not going to war for conscientious reasons is acceptable...
Thank you, APK. You couldn't be more right.
Just imagine that Kerry was the one who had ducked Viet Nam service by using family ties to get a Guard spot, and then hadn't even shown up for his physical. It would be a real Republican shit-storm, that's for sure.
So are we now arguing that the media is convervative and that they swept all of this Nat. guard stuff under the rug when bush was running. Dude, you impress me more and more w/ your delusions.Quote:
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Thank you, APK. You couldn't be more right.
Just imagine that Kerry was the one who had ducked Viet Nam service by using family ties to get a Guard spot, and then hadn't even shown up for his physical. It would be a real Republican shit-storm, that's for sure.
I don't see how you get that from Dex...The reason it doesn't/didn't get more play is because there isn't much proof that he wasn't there, just as there isn't much proof that he was. It's pretty hard to argue a negative.Quote:
Originally posted by 1080Rider
So are we now arguing that the media is convervative and that they swept all of this Nat. guard stuff under the rug when bush was running. Dude, you impress me more and more w/ your delusions.
No, no, no. You also get more and more impressive, but the effect is sort of depressing. As APK pointed out, and I did earlier, no one knows what he was doing during the time in question, and in 2000 Gore decided not to make an issue of it.Quote:
Originally posted by 1080Rider
So are we now arguing that the media is convervative and that they swept all of this Nat. guard stuff under the rug when bush was running. Dude, you impress me more and more w/ your delusions.
But I see you're under the impression that there's some mysterious liberal media force out there (owned by GE and Rupert Murdoch) that gave us GWB as prez.
Please, keep up with the baseless opining.
I can't remember all the particulars of the 2000 campaign with regard to character assignations and all but..........Quote:
Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
in 2000 Gore decided not to make an issue of it.
Hasn't the "service issue" come up this time as a direct result of GWB behavior on the aircraft carrier and the fact that young men and women are dying in the name of our country?
I'm puzzled how you think that it would have been a "republican shit storm" had Kerry done the same thing that Bush is accused of. That clearly portrays to me that you have some delusions that the media choses to pick on liberals or that the media only reports what conservatives want. And if you don't think the media has a liberal slant, or if you think that Rupert Murdock owns the AP, then I can see where the rest of your spewing comes from. Glad I don't live in your world.
edit: response to KQ's post
Yes, that's part of what's made it a big story--that and some good reporting by the Boston Globe, in particular.
Note, though, that Kerry treads very lightly on this one (partly for fear of offending Guard people, probably) and doesn't really comment on it. But the questions originated the first time Bush ran for governor ('94?).
There's also the question of whether or not his records were later altered, but I don't think anyone's been able to determine whether or not that really happened.
Oh, please. There's no way you can pretend that this wouldn't be a HUGE issue for Rove, Gillespie, etc. if it weren't their guy who had done it.Quote:
Originally posted by 1080Rider
I'm puzzled how you think that it would have been a "republican shit storm" had Kerry done the same thing that Bush is accused of. That clearly portrays to me that you have some delusions that the media choses to pick on liberals or that the media only reports what conservatives want. And if you don't think the media has a liberal slant, or if you think that Rupert Murdock owns the AP, then I can see where the rest of your spewing comes from. Glad I don't live in your world.
And the fact that you believe the media is 'liberal' is yet more proof of how little you know about it.
*Shudder*Quote:
Somehow I just can't see "Honest Abe" and "I cannot tell a lie Washington" laying hands on GWB (unless of course it was to wring his neck ;) )
You are clearly insane. He means that the GOP rumor mill would have been working overtime to get the story out (like how they've allegedly circulated a doctored photo of Kerry and Jane Fonda, and have been circulating one of them where they happen to be in the same place, pre-Fonda's visit to Vietnam).Quote:
Originally posted by 1080Rider
That clearly portrays to me that you have some delusions that the media choses to pick on liberals or that the media only reports what conservatives want. And if you don't think the media has a liberal slant, or if you think that Rupert Murdock owns the AP, then I can see where the rest of your spewing comes from. Glad I don't live in your world.
Um a few things about Clinton:Quote:
Originally posted by Alex P. Keaton
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Bush did take steps that the Clinton didn't, but hey, maybe if Bush had been poor and smart instead of rich and dumb he'd have had to get out of the war by winning a Rhodes scholarship instead of having his daddy first get him out of harm's way and then not having the balls to finish even that limited responsibility. So who knows.
1. His uncle was an Ark state Senator with alot of money. Clinton had a low draft number, and had orders to report to the Army 30 days after graduating from HS. He avoided going into the army because he promised to join the ROTC at UofA while he attended collage there with a promise that he would join the Army as an officer after graduating college. Within 60 days of his graduation the draft board inquired with the ROTC commander at UofA about Billy's status, and the possibility of recieving a federal commission (there are various types of commissions. A federal is handed out by the US Senate). The ROTC commander said we never heard of him and nobody by that name ever signed up for the course. Billy got his marching orders from the Draft Board telling him that he had to report to Ft Polk for Army basic training the monday after his graduation. Sunday night with the help of his Uncle he was on a plane for England. It wasn't until 3 weeks later that he recieved his Rhodes Scholar status. His uncle pulled some strings with the Ark draft board to have his entry status dates changed to make it seem like he wasn't a draft dodger. That is why in the campaign he had 3 different indoc dates. His original draft date while he was in HS, the date he was told to report after he graduated from college, and then the date his State Senator Uncle had it changed to when Bill was in England.
Now 6 months after Billy arrived in England he went to Moscow in the Soviet Union for 5 weeks. During that time he protested about the United States involvement in the Vietnam war.
Then when he became President. Most of his direct staff gets indicted. He gets impeached. He sexually assults women. Lies about business dealings. And he got away with it all. :rolleyes:
Now Dex when I got done with my first 3 years of Active Army I signed up with the Ohio National Guard for 2 years. I had 5 months left on that Guard contract when I moved to Aspen. So I transferred to a Guard unit at Rifle. I cannot remember one damn person I served with there. Since I had just 5 months left on that contract they really couldn't put me with a platoon (I was a Sergeant), so I did odd jobs for my monthly drills. Infact for 3 of those monthly drills they had nothing for me to do and told me to go home as soon as I showed up. And I was still marked as being there and paid for that weekend.
That is the way it is. Since not many of you have ever experience the military you cannot truly say what happens in it. You may think you do, but infact you are clueless about it.
Now about his flight status his last year. Flight time is expensive, and intensive. Most often in Air Guard units if a Pilot is a short timer, and attached to a non-home unit untill discharge from service. They take their flight status away from them, and give their flight/training time to Pilots that are re-uping, or for new pilots that are permanently attached to that unit. It is termed. FHPP or Flight Hold Pending Pysical. It is used in this way to keep track of all the beans. (From my Brother in law. He is a Colonel in the USAF attached to NASA).
Now this whole thread has become one giant troll fest. Let's put it to bed. Because people on both sides of the fence are twisting and turning facts to meet their own political agenda. And it's not getting us anywhere.
So can we get back to more reasonable things like: "who will the RedSox blame this year for their downfall"
:rolleyes: