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Originally Posted by Dantheman
I don't know. All the kids and bangers would be staring at their phones.
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
I don't know. All the kids and bangers would be staring at their phones.
Wifey and I both thought Kenard (sp?) was a little off. That could well be just repulsion at the depth of heinous suffering and utter moral failure orbiting that character...it’s a lot to process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brownski
I had an interesting existential thought once about Kenard: that the name being a homophone of canard may have been a kind of clever double entendre, as he embodies the nebulous, racist, pop-psych-conventional-wisdom-ish notion of the black “super predator”, irredeemably, preternaturally depraved even as a small child.
Like that name is a deep, elegant, nuanced way of saying here is this package of real elements of that world, but also he is a canard, a stereotypical embodiment of every racist trope about poor inner-city black kids.
there’s a plot line in season 5 that disappoints a little. it’s still by far the best show ever made in my opinion, but it could be a little better. maybe that’s for the best?Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
snoop is incredible, one of the many real people who show up. the jay landsman character is based on a real sgt, who appears (as another character) in some episodes. the real guy that omar is based on shows up as the deacon, he was originally supposed to be cast as avon but he was still in jail.
now I gotta watch it again...
fwiw David Simon’s books are a great companion to The Wire.
The cops would be tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Yeah, and they can't snap them in half at the end of every particularly tense phone call. Oh wait, that's Breaking Bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
Twitter thread started by Wendell Pierce, aka Detective Bunk Moreland, a reaction to this https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...t-well-1297134 "conversation" between two critics about fictional depictions of cops on tv.
https://mobile.twitter.com/wendellpi...79838848995328
Agree with Wendell here, the police in The Wire are far from "heroic". Not many heroes at all in this show. Stark view of urban life, from the corners to the politicians and media. And blacks are far from pandered too. I wonder if something like this show could ever be made again. The PC police would smother it in it's crib, and HBO is but a shadow of it's former self.
A recent book is mentioned in this thread, https://www.amazon.com/All-Pieces-Ma.../dp/0451498151 an oral history of the making of The Wire. Looks good.
It's hard to comprehend how dense you have to be to think that the cops in The Wire are portrayed as anything close to "heroic." It was entirely the opposite, for the most part. Bunk and Bunny Colvin came the closest, but were still far from heroes.
How prophetic is Bunny's speech to Carver in Season 3?
"Soldiering and policing, they ain't the same thing."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwsXPis1j0M
^ yeah. There are a lot of shows that glorify the police, but The Wire sure as shit isn't one of them. In fact its refusal to paint characters as broadly good/bad but instead insisting on viewing everyone as nuanced and flawed is what sets is so far apart from every other police show. Saying The Wire glorifies police makes me suspect that the person saying it didn't watch the show... good on Wendell setting it straight.
For real.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Just finished season 5. Lots of dark jokes in this series, but the real gotcha was Omar getting killed by a little kid. All the drama of him coming back to avenge the blind man, setting us up for the big confrontation, him limping around like Clint Eastwood in a spaghetti western or Bruce Willis in a Die Hard, and, bam, buying a pack of Newports. Soft pack. Haha.
Now I'm going back to season 1-2. I forgot them.
Awesome series.
Yeah... the Omar death was really well done I thought. I wasn’t a big fan of the McNulty serial killer plotline, but even so, a great ending. That Landsman speech at the end, and the Pogues song, is all time.
I’m on my I-can’t-remember-how-many rewatch and it’s still the best show I’ve ever seen.
The final season plotline was a lot more brilliant than some give it credit for. All the layers of lying and fiction that was done to serve either institutional or personal purposes. We all know politicians do it all the time, but Simon rachets the cynicism up to 10, basically saying everybody does it. Then the intersection of McNulty's fiction and the young Sun reporter's fictions, colliding like two bank robbers in the same place at the same time. But, the kid (and the paper) won a Pulitzer for it all, if you believe the final montage.
Shades of Jayson Blair at the NYT. He even got a mention in one shouting match.
Plus, let’s not forget that whole detail squad of every other unit’s worthless fuckups they assembled. The one who gets punched and goes on disability, then his buddy decides to throw himself down the stairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
It’s not a heroic portrayal.
Life imitates art.
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/cr...5n4-story.html
I feel like a sea captain rounding the horn for the fourth time- it feels just as fresh as ever.
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Man those fuckers at Amazon Prime removed the Fuzzy Dunlop scene from Ep. 8 season 4. WTF?? Love that scene. The comments on this clip are great.
Amazon's going in and editing stuff out? wtf that ain't right. And why this scene, anyways?
I was wondering the same thing, and the only thing I can think of is that Dunlop revoked permission to use their name?Quote:
Originally Posted by ötzi
Usually any brand mention has to be cleared through legal in stuff like this, so maybe it was only a ten year use agreement?
Blind speculation on my part here.
I think maybe it has more to do with reducing server storage needs? I've seen this on other streaming services. My daughter used to watch Friends on Netflix, and she noticed that they edited out some scenes on the streaming versions vs. the TV reruns or the DVD set she now has. I can only think they pay somebody to go through shows and find scenes that could be edited without affecting the viewer's understanding of the plot. Fuzzy Dunlop is one of those scenes because as far as I know they never actually went through with the plan to use his photo and SS number. While a great scene and funny, it wasn't really necessary. I could be wrong about this--it could have been Dunlop not wanting their name used. But that doesn't really make any sense because what harm is it doing them, it's just free publicity for their product. (And as mentioned in the comments, it actually circles back to the microphone Herc and Carver hid in a tennis ball that eventually got run over by a truck in a previous season.)
You wonder if HBO isn't behind this, just to make some bad PR for Amazon Prime, now a competitor to HBO Max. They deliver a slightly flawed product to Amazon, which implies, hey, if you want the full, unedited Wire, you know where to go.
AT&T is destroying that brand. It's a shame to watch.
Marc Maron interviews Michael Williams, aka Omar.
http://www.wtfpod.com/podcast/episod...ael-k-williams
Fuzzy Dunlop was the fictitious CI that resulted in Herc finally being fired from the force and taking a job as a PI, leading to the wire on Marlo, so knowing that it was BS from the beginning and that Herc continued to take the lazy route after going back to major Crimes is a pretty critical plot detail IMO. But character development alone is enough to know Herc is a fuckup.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
You're absolutely right, but it's not necessarily crucial to show that particular scene to get the point across that the CI was fake. But yeah, any time you cut a scene you are messing with the viewer's understanding of the plot. Some of those Friends episodes that have scenes cut that are totally crucial to understanding. Lame.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
Herc is an interesting character on The Wire. Kind of easy to think of him as a doofus and overlook his importance, but as you point out, some of the little things he does play a crucial role in what happens. He's a great character.
Cutting scenes out of the wire is ironic.
“All the pieces matter.”
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Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
It was the camera that Marlo stole that got Herc fired, because it was PD property. The mic hidden in the Dunlop was bought privately and just cost he and Carver a few hundo when it got run over.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
Yeah, I'm not sure it's fair to call Herc a fuckup. Sure, he regularly bent the rules and took shortcuts, but so did everyone else in the department, even Lester. Let's also remember that the reason Herc made sergeant was because he walked in on the mayor getting blown in his office.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
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Originally Posted by Woodsy
So how much is Cast Away ruined when Wilson takes away the use of the volleyball?Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
RIP Michael K Williams.
Omar’s Comin!
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Debuted 20 years ago today
Wish that the Wire could get a good reboot it was sooo great. Maybe Mcnulty as Mayor
Check out David Simon's latest project, We Own This City: https://www.vulture.com/article/davi...interview.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by mcski
I haven't been able to watch it yet, but it's David Simon, there's no doubt it's fucking awesome. I'd also recommend just re-watching The Wire. I did a few years ago and other than the flip phones and CRT monitors it still felt fresh AF. It was almost better knowing what was going to happen since I picked up on so much that I missed the first time.
We Own This City is a great watch.
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We own this city?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Rewatched all of it this winter. Agreed it still stands up. Funny to watch them talk about this new technology called text messages.
And yes - remembering the background helped me pick up on a lot more of the story this time through.
started watching we own this city on ep 3
it's good but it's the wire version 2 kinda already been done you know? same exact shit but different
the plot is the same as the wire but the characters and story keep me interested
Hah, I had completely forgotten about that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodsy
Except The Wire is fiction inspired by real events. We Own This City is an honest-to-God true story. In that Vox interview I posted Simon says that a lot of the dialogue is verbatim from transcripts of court proceedings and wiretaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by fastfred
Finished We Own This City last night. Pretty awesome, a worthy successor to The Wire. Crazy fucking story.
If only "End the War on Drugs" had been the 2020 protest slogan instead of "Defund the police."
Interesting article about the guy who was the inspiration for the character Bird in The Wire.
https://theathletic.com/5173667/2024...mpaign=8649714
Per David Simon's Twitter, this article is false. He states, "Nothing in The Wire is based on this gentleman."Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Sorry to ruin a fun article.