^^^^Very well put. There is no excuse for being against abortion. But apparently facists are alive and well.
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^^^^Very well put. There is no excuse for being against abortion. But apparently facists are alive and well.
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Originally Posted by BLOODSWEATSTEEL
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I deleted the rest because I mostly agree. One problem with this statement is the fact that a woman is not the only one that must live with the consequences. Her spouse does too. I can't say that it should be a blanket requirement because of abusive situations. However, saying there is only one person that is responsible for the child is not true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
I didn't read everything in the thread, but has anyone read what it's like to get an abortion in SD anyways? Apparently there is only one planned parenthood clinic that has to be serviced by MN doc's. Seems to me that abortion is already banned, in effect.
I don't think that spats is saying that a spouse/partner doesn't have to live with the consequences, but rather she has to live with all of the consequences. Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. While the spouse/partner is directly affected, the ramifications run much deeper for the woman.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
A different take on this. I guess this takes Roe rationale to the other extreme:Quote:
Originally Posted by LAN
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Abortion Rights For Men
A 25-year-old computer programmer is ready to file suit to block a child support order to pay for a daughter he does not want. The National Center for Men plans to use the suit to establish that men, too, can choose whether they want to become parents. The Associated Press quotes the center's director, Mel Fiet:
"There's such a spectrum of choice that women have - it's her body, her pregnancy and she has the ultimate right to make decisions. I'm trying to find a way for a man also to have some say over decisions that affect his life profoundly."
Men who do not pay child support are vile little cretins who do not deserve to sit at the same table as civilized men. My own father went to jail before he paid for support for me and my sisters, sired during his 13-year marriage with my mother. That was in the 1960s before the federal effort to collect child support (the lawyer got 40% of the money -- bastard).
That said, as long as we are going to pretend women have abortion rights, then the 14th Amendment compels us as a nation to extend this parental termination rights to men. This lawsuit should do what South Dakota's misguided abortion ban cannot do: End abortion rights.
The double standard is outrageous. Consider AP's quote of feminist Jennifer Brown:
"Roe is based on an extreme intrusion by the government - literally to force a woman to continue a pregnancy she doesn't want. There's nothing equivalent for men. They have the same ability as women to use contraception, to get sterilized."
Excuse me, but the federal government collects $22 billion a year in child support. There are heavy fines for companies that do not dock the pay of parents to comply with this intrusive law.
Society will not ban abortion. It is too convenient. Instant irresponsibility, if you will. But surely justices will see the futility of society allowing adults to just chuck the consequences of their actions like this.
I 'm Sorry,
But with the Cazillions of Chat forums out there why does this shit have to show up in TGR,
Its a very volitle subject, that I would not want to disscuss with a ski buddy of MTB companion, or get into while touring the B/C
So just my opion but I would perfere that you take the POLARIZING POLITICAL AND MORALITY SHIT ELSEWHERE:cussing: :cussing:
Maybe others feel the same? Maybe I'm in left field here?
But I needed to get it out there
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Originally Posted by MTT
Why? Does talking about sensitive subjects make you squeemish? My friends and I sometimes engage in pretty heated topics while we're slogging up a hill. It's a lot of fun! :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
I don't see any problem with it happening here. We're just a bunch of snow lovers having a discussion. Just chill, or dont click on the topic link.
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Originally Posted by PNWbrit
I thought that was a sore subject. Feel free to start a new thread on that if you like. We can put all the facts on the table.
gyptian makes interseting points...
in general:
a woman's choice of being a parent can be made before or after conception.
a man is locked into parenthood from the moment of conception unless the woman says otherwise. he can also be denied parenthood by the decision of the woman
it doesnt matter how much the man wants to be a parent or does not want to be a parent, the woman holds all power to make or keep parenthood from the man once the orgasm is done
health excepted, this is because the woman gestates and births for 9 mo.(?)
I herby would like to apologize publicly to you and all others who feel this way for forcing you to click on a thread that was titled NEWS: abortion illegal in SD effective 7/1Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
My Bad. Clearly it wasn't labeled "NSR" and the original Poster will now be sodomized with a Look binder heel.
I wanted to stay focused on the "when does life begin?" question. I deliberately didn't address the issue of responsbility for a child once he/she is born -- that's a whole new discussion.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
what if i get impregnated?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
gyptian- if the dude doesn't want to have a kid with the woman, then wear a rubber for fucks sake. or pull out. or put in DER POOPENHAUSEN
fez, awesome post, dude.
As for my .02 ... I'm glad the choice is there, as difficult as the consequences are.
and post the pics hereQuote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
well son, that's where look team 7's come fromQuote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
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