Been a while since I've chatted with Marshal gushing to that level about a pair of skis. I'm looking forward to them myself. [emoji16]Quote:
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Been a while since I've chatted with Marshal gushing to that level about a pair of skis. I'm looking forward to them myself. [emoji16]Quote:
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Sorry for not posting, I am still in HOLY F body buzz stoke overload stage... trying to be objective is hard when the only words you can find are superlatives.... so read the below with all relevant grains of salt, haha!
Regarding the OG MX88, I would say that the RC85 Comp will handflex similarly, and have comparable top end, but the RC85 is WILDLY more versatile and fun away from manicured groomers. the RC85, for me, carved every bit as well as skis in this class, but it's like a mini renegade freeride ski too. Crazytown.
Regarding the Monsters, I would say that after releasing the manufacturing tension in the laminates, my RC95 hand flex comparably, but out perform the M98, by far, at everything condition I was able to test on a spring day - lazy large radius, snappy mid radius, tight woods, boot top mash potatoes, refrozen, etc. The RC85 hand flexes a notch stiffer than my old M88's, but the RC85 is also incredibly more versatile and fun, and somehow both more rewarding when driven and dramatically easier to ski at a modest pace in whack moguls and that sort of thing too.
For me, both the RC85 and RC95 have this chill, easy, mild manner in slow tech and funky snow, but then just fire up the supercharger and GO once you give em the throttle. I am sending a couple testers out this week for a few extra sets of eyes on them too.
My honest .02
Will these have the same stiffer tips like the fl105s or a more typical tail stiffer than tip flex pattern?
Correct, the stiffness distribution is very similar to the FL105.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlh
The RC95 is a notch stiffer than the FL105 185, but it is also designed for a -10.25 mount (ie +1cm of the FL105), and doesn't have pintail offset, so its (imo) actually a little bit less "fall line or bust" in comparison.
This version of rc 85 sounds awesome!
This is going to make it tough to hold off on a shorter RC95, should it materialize….Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
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These must be special, indeed. The "mild mannered, but ready to go nuts when pushed... (paraphrasing)" is exactly what I feel about my beloved Monster 98s. You most def have my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
I skied the RC85 extensively today, and spent a bit of time on the 95 as well.
Also skied the r99 comp as a comparison.
Wow.
They are everything we designed them to be.
If you’re not over 200lbs you don’t want the stiff flex 85s, they make the r99 comp feel like a toy.
I’ll type more later but the RC85 is a real deal all-mountain technical ski with a GS sidecut that is magically surfy off piste and has no speed limit. It is exactly what I’ve been after for years and years and years. Ski it how you want, no crazy camber or weird torsional stiffness or aggressive sidecut that locks you in to a single turn shape. I’ve never skied an 85 underfoot ski that is so fun off-piste including on 2” dust over a bulletproof crust.
The RC95 is even more stable and damp feeling than the 99 comp with tons of surf and pivot magic yet somehow also super confident on edge.
Think skinny FL105.
^Did you ever ski the original Nobis Inspired? The 88 underfoot 188. Probably not as stiff but just super versatile on and off piste. Your description sounds like it.
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Glad to hear I wasn't delusional. Legitamately the most fun <100 and ~85mm skis I have ever been on. Not even close, and not even a fair fight, really!
The Production flex 85 and 95 are going to be madness. Folks are really going to be stoked. Looking forward to adding 175cm 85 and 180cm 95 too. Can't wait for next fall!!!
What will the weight of the 95 be? Not that it really matters
Yes, the comps are 2300g @ 95mm and 2100g @ 85.
production will be about 25-50g lighter
Perfect.
Now who's gonna bring some to NZ?
So weighing in north of 200lb it sounds like I do want the big boy flex? Pretty sure I outweigh Woody. Is that going to be available? I've only ever been on two skis that were stiff enough to be scary for recreational skiing and both of them had come of the world cup circuit. Thinking I need this fat guy flex on the 85
I’m 220, I think you would really like the comp flex. Personally I will ski both the (super) comp and the production flex.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Thomas
No metal?
To me, on a narrower ski, I have yet to find something smooth and damp that doesn't have 2 sheets of titanal unless I'm mistaken? Don't most of your inspiration skis have metal in them? Looking at the OG Legend Pro, Monster series, and Stockli Stormriders as examples.
After busting my ankle, relocating angle ligaments and mostly tearing my achilles so it's now stretched, I have found I like a ski 10mm narrower than in the past for the same conditions. Have ridden Marshal's Monster 88's way more than I care to so am definitely interested in both these skis. 1 to replace the Monster 88's and one to replace my 10yr old Stockli Stormrider 95's, before they underwent Stockli's lighter/softer program. But no metal???
They are insanely damp for no metal. Trust me, I love metal in a narrow ski. Love the Monster series because of this. Have owned several of them and have the 82 green top sheet liquidmetals on my ski rack in the shop, love that ski. Skied the 85 and 95 back to back to back with my R99 COMPs which is a Blossom race room build with metal. These skis are just as damp, if not a touch more so. The 85’s were stiffer fosho. We had them on some very firm, damn near BP snow and they surprised me at how damp they were. Buy with confidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by comish
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I think my favorite ski without metal that was stiff, damp and stable was the G3 Reverend. I’m sure there are others
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It's the type of wood, core profile/thickness, weight/mass, and the full sheet of rubber! I think of metal as torsional rigidity. The og cambered mantras (94 and 96mm waisted versions) had metal for days and gripped like a mofo but they pinged like a tuning fork. I have not been on the rc85 or rc95 but every freeride build HL ski i have been on is buttah. I cannot speak to the effect on torsional stiffness gain or edgegrip that metal does or doesn't add to this design, but i can almost guarantee they will feel smoothQuote:
Originally Posted by comish
Yessir! Since the RC are narrower (ie less bamboo and rubber) I added next-level damping special sauce to really make these things insanely smooth while also having a nicely lively responsive feel too.
I think folks coming from Monster 88 and 98 in particular (but also lots of other stuff in this class) are going be really really happy.
Special sauce? Damn Marshal, you had me already. You didn't have to go there!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
Spill the beans man, what is it? An extra sheet of elastomer? Triple-point topsheet ink ever-shifting? A milled channel filled with unicorn blood?
Settle down it’s just ketchup and mayo mixed together with a dash of Tabasco.
It’s not the last one, I’m sure of thatQuote:
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TPU sidewallsQuote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
Interesting. Poured? Or from stick?
Preforms, yeah
Hmmm.... where did these come from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson
They use them in the Telos factory
Sorry for making a joke with the “special sauce” comments. not trying to be vague or anything. I just really really hate when brands try to brand normal or iterative ingredients as revolutionary game changing tech. It’s just called using the right materials in the right places for the desired effect. trying to cloak off the shelf materials in secrecy and buzz terms is just juvenile and lame, haha.
in this case, since the RC skis are narrower, they by definition have less material, are lighter and less damp than a wider ski (which due to extra width has more rubber, resin, bamboo etc).
To counteract that, I specced TPU sidewalks on the RC skis vs the UHMW sidewalls (which add a little rebound to damp wide skis, and are unfukwitable vs rocks).
so anyhow! There you go. I really think these skis are something awesome and so fired up for everyone to ski them.
Is that essentially the same Polyurethane that Dynastar uses in their cores? First they started with the MFree line and then they moved it to their MPro line. (I think.)
Got mine yesterday. Can't seem to post pics..... Let's just saw Marshal has outdone himself w/ this ski. The Construction from gp87 is top shelf. The flex is near i-beam status.
https://www.skitalk.com/threads/heri.../post%2D989721
Excited to hear your take… I think they flat out rip.
Holy fuqs!!! The flex is a lil burly & needs to be worked out, but these flat out haul. Can’t post pics, but we’re off piste EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAFKALVS
Holy fuqs!!! The flex is a lil burly & needs to be worked out, but these flat out haul. Can’t post pics, but we’re off piste EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by TAFKALVS
Yeahhh, baby.
These are the prototype 10 stiffness “comp” versions, yes?
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If the 105 has the personality of Gus Fring, then the comp 99 is Gordon Ramsay, ergo the ZF 85 is David Goggins.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
These ones go to 11.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
The “super comp” prototypes make the r99 Comp feel like floppy noodles.
Just wanted that to be clear about which version of the RC85 you are on.
I guess any RC85 or RC95 that is being skied at this time (spring 2024) are going to be the flex 11 prototypes).
I’ve only skied the R87 comps, and I love them
I think marsh mentioned that the shorter versions of RC85 (178 cm) and RC95 (180 cm) would be 24mR
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https://www.skitalk.com/threads/heri...-6#post-991022Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
Long ramblings on flex patterns of the RC85 and RC95 here
And yes, I will be coming back to the 175/180 RC's here shortly. Just having a few fire drills @ the day job the past week or two.
are all your skis produced out of the states? Any hopes/plans to try to produce anything here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshal Olson