Damn, thanks!
I just asked that question in the BO thread. Seems like BO98 will be a go!
We have different opinions on mount points though, I was thinking I'd go 0-3cm from TC. All mountain park ski for me.
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Damn, thanks!
I just asked that question in the BO thread. Seems like BO98 will be a go!
We have different opinions on mount points though, I was thinking I'd go 0-3cm from TC. All mountain park ski for me.
My main criticism for BO98s, SF110s and BO118s is that they make it really hard to justify buying other skis.
I really like how BO98s make it so effortless to choose your turnstyle, while having enough umph to blast through stuff. Sure - they do not float for days, but then again that is not their role in the quiver. They also do not carve like a directional titanal ski, but they carve more than well enough. Would I like to have a stronger carver between these and SF110s? Yeah, kinda - but I am having a hard time justifying it - BO98s are just so damned predictable and fun.
SF110s are just great. Full stop. Or, I've been on other 110s skis that ski very deep fresh better, but that is why I own 118s.
BO118s - I am very curious if SF118s make a great ski even greater - that is by reducing swingweight without loosing ability to umph. The feeling of schmearing my tails all over the place is perhaps my favorite thing about BO118s and SF110s - just nice. Now they just need a longer length for above average humans.
It is kinda crazy to think that Rossi had the blueprint for the SF110 so long (basically BO118 -8mm), and then took forever to bring it to market. They will sell these by the boat loads for years to come - especially if they release more limited editions to spice things up. They are kinda magical imho.
I honestly do not think there is a better three ski quiver for me out there if I want to keep it within one brand.
You just reminded me kid-kappow that I have had someone get a few pairs of the SF 118 in for themselves. Their first pair were 140gr difference left to right so sent them back and the latest set is close to one another but around 2550gr each which is on the higher side for Blackops 118 weight. Blister just did a flash review on the SF 118 which I assume will say they are the same as they pretty much are.
Forgot where you mounted your BO 98 skis? Think they will be excellent carvers with their long effective edge and a sharp tune. Mine completely flat with a1/3 tune sharp tip to tail and only smooth above their widest points tip/tsil. Excited to try them.
Definitely don’t go that close to Center unless you’re skiing nothing but park. I’d say around -4cm to -5cm as it’s much shorter with much lighter swing and more directional sidecut than the wider skis in this line. Still be plenty playful for the park but will be hugely improved on the rest of the mountain.Quote:
Originally Posted by JRainey
140gr difference is unacceptable imho - kinda dissapointing, that should have been caught in QA.Quote:
Originally Posted by noslow
I mounted my pair of BO98s at rec. I´ve been debating moving them back 1.5 (Cast brake mount), but - at the end of the day I am so happy with them at rec that I do not really see the need. As I wrote in my quiver post, kinda - they are not perfect but more than good enough.
I also think that having differences across the various widths wrt camber, rocker lines and flex just makes sense. Which makes me think that they should just make the SF98 already. Sender Souls aint it.
I skied the BO98 way back when it came out with jaguar topsheet in a 192 and wasn’t that impressed. All these glowing reviews make me want to get back on it, maybe the 182 is more fun. They need a 187 length in this one.
Also super lame rossi never brings out the 191- BO118, a bunch of the athletes have been skiing then for years
For real? The length is the reason I've never been interested in it. Anyone know a Rossi pro who's looking to sell?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
anybody have a chance to compare these to the new mfree 112? would make sense that they're very similar, interested in the nuances
anybody have the sender 94? looks like its a non ti version this year and considering picking up a set for my father to replace his decade old kendos
Seems like I’m hardly posting on tgr these days cause I now own three HL skis (R120, FR110 and AM100) and I know they are gonna make me happy most inbounds days.
But this is tgr.
And I’m a gear whore.
Just read this whole thread. Cause a couple of skis I really like are my Season Aero (-3.0cm mount, 179 straight pull) and previously when I owned the Bent Chetler 120 (-3 as well and 182.5 pull) and I was pretty happy on both those. Kinda like that -3ish rec mount point and skiing really centered off my shins and feeling the big tails.
Seems like the SF 110 at-3.4cm and a 181.5 straight is kinda right in between the Aero and the BC120.
At 5’7” I’m thinking…. the SF 110 will ski pretty short on rec, which I know I’d like. So fo sho on the 184….which is really kinda a 183.
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Rossi makes 8 pairs for their athletes. I have a pair that LP designed. 194 118.
Ski my 191 110 on the line. Skis best for what it is designed for there, can still crush that thing in everything but pow and skis park well. What else could ya need!
Powder go 118 186cm - I am 6ft 185lb naked. Lucky to have the longer 118s will report back.
Coming from blizzard rustler 192/bode 196 and Mfree 108/118 last 5-7 years.
Basically a better hard snow ski than the rustler. Rustler probs get the nod in pow.
Only ski I still have is the Bode in the 196. Go figure ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fW8tfg17A0
Logan's part is interesting in that you can so clearly see how these can be skied, more by placing one's tails than driving through the front. The final section is also just... Enjoy!
I think it's interesting how few shots there are of the 110s, and everybody's back on the 118. Even the tall guy.
110 is just to skinny to keep your speed up in pow (for fresh takeoffs). And the 118 is magic.
I do think mounted on the line the 118 has an almost reverse camber ability to be rolled onto the tail. Not that I want to stay there, but because the ski is flexed up, it's super easy to juice yourself back to the front.
Super impressive skiing in there, not my usual role models for turn technique, but the always get me hyped. That cork 180 on the windlip qp was unreal.
"Placing one's tails...." I've been trying to articulate how modern skis have changed my sole's drive like that for a decade or so. Thanks for that!
I'll add a bit...
Placing one's tails, and then feathering the body to the tip into the line.
It's almost backwards-- from tail to tip.
Thanks for that!!
Out on the SF 110 the other day when we got a heavy snowfall midday and again were lots of fun. Can carve very well at even lower speeds and become nice and loose when in soft snow.
I’m finding my SF 110’s to be pretty challenging to ski compared to my Sender Squads which surprised me. I’m wondering if I need to detune more or get bases ground. Any consensus on detuning to the rocker contact point or end of sidecut? I did end of sidecut and the tips really want to bite on everything.
Definitely sounding like an edge high/railed ski if it’s that’s demanding to ski. Another thing to check along with the bases being flat is the base bevel being uniform at 1 degree and that there’s no hanging burrs etc. Your description of the tips biting right away could be base bevels being below 1 near the tips/tails which would cause them to engage before you might want. Have seen skis come from the factory with 0 degrees or close to it on the tips or tails before setting them. So check the bases are flat(if not grind them) and then make sure that base bevel is uniform at 1 degree and hit the edges with stones to remove any possible burrs. Run my Sender Free 110 at 1/3 with no detuning to their widest points/sidecut length and then round above that on the tip/tail to prevent top sheet damage. Nice and loose when flat and grip when on edge. Mine were the opposite from the factory being base high and were too loose and unstable till they were ground flat and edges reset.Quote:
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Any rumors of a SF118 in a 191 length? I'm desperate for this ski!
Since I can't quote people this morning... the ~191cm SF118 exists, but is an athlete only ski as far as I am aware. Maybe Rossi will press and sell some to the public eventually, but I haven't heard any details.
All the reports for the athlete ski are 194.
I just came to add that these are such a great mid/low-tide ski. I was having a serious hankering to get some KF Reckoners, but when I'm going between 6" of dense snow and glazed ice turn to turn, I really can't imagine a better ski. Even though I desire something a little more playful/softer, for how I actually ski the SF110's medium + flex is perfect. I've been a little neck tweaked so I'm just doing 180s and halfcabs all over the mountain, and these are plenty fun for little stuff. But the edging on buffed out steeps will keep you coming back time and again.
Thanks for the intel, getting them looked at. Bases appear pretty flat.
Sounds like a bigger SF118 is at least a season or two out.
Got some of the 184 free 100s since I was too dumb to preorder AM100s.
2020g, mounted -5(rec -3.25), no metal. Seem to ski like a turnier 110, however the tune is absolute railed fuck all and ruined my whole day of skiing, can’t believe how many new skis have shit tunes. Off to the grinder they go.
^not sure how I feel about the 100 yet, skis well but the lack of dampening like the 110 has isn't exactly what I wanted. I can see why rossi would make the 100 more lively with a slightly softer flex, makes sense, but I was hoping for more of a skinnier 110 personally.
Well... I have a pair of SF100s on the way to my house. Early reviews are not encouraging.
Man you weren't kidding. I did three laps on my SF100's and left. Edges way too high. No release whatsoever.Quote:
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Got some of the 184 free 100s since I was too dumb to preorder AM100s.
2020g, mounted -5(rec -3.25), no metal. Seem to ski like a turnier 110, however the tune is absolute railed fuck all and ruined my whole day of skiing, can’t believe how many new skis have shit tunes. Off to the grinder they go..
Was able to check out the Sender Free 100 in person at a Whistler shop and was impressed with it's flex pattern. Compared to the 191cm SF 110 they had there, the 184cm SF 100 just a HAIR softer maybe but very close. I'm wondering if this is going to be another BO 118, 183 Mfree 112 case where there are some noticeably different weight differences that might be effecting flex and feel.
I will probably be getting a set of the SF 100 if I can find a set above 2100gr(heavier than my BO 98 set) as I liked the shape even better.
Any more field reports for the SF 100? A lot of what I am reading is pretty discouraging, as I was hoping it would be similar to the SF 110 in a narrower waist.
I liked the SF100 a lot. Felt exactly like a narrower 110 to me.Did really well in fresh 6-8 inches. Did really well straight-lining through crud. Was a blast skiing in the park. Carved some nice turns on soft groomers.No metal, but for a 100 underfoot ski it excels so well as an all-mtn freeride/freestyle ski and I couldn't find it's speed limit yesterday in soft snow.Factory tune was the worst I've seen in my life and the topsheet/graphics are misprinted.
Will be checking over my shop's stock of the Sender Free 100 and grabbing a set tomorrow. Going to get them ground before they mount the bindings and will tune them up before hitting snow later this week.
Will report back after I try them out and can compare to the Blackops 98, Enforcer 104 and Sender Free 110 I own.
I'm interested in the 100s. I'm selling my 110s to a worthy bro. It's really such a great all arounder, but I'm swapping for some Reckoner KF's to get a little more spring in a step. But having the same feel in a low tide ski might be ideal (SF100). If I do come back to the 110s it'll probably be a 191.Can anyone post rocker shots? Or are we done with pictures on the forum? Everyone needs a blog again.
Dont ski the stock tune, I repeat, don’t ski the stock tune.
Feel exactly like a smaller less strong sf110.
Both pairs of the 184cm SF 100 at Corbett/AsoGear warehouse were around 2000gr each so no heavy ones. The sales person at Corbett retail shop desk when getting them mounted was surprised I wanted them ground before mounting and skiing but told him I no longer risk skiing before grinding and tuning any new ski now. Will tune and wax when I get home and try them out tomorrow or Thursday I think.
Just bought a pair of 184cm SF 100s that I should get mounted, ground, and tuned early next week to try out. Looks like its getting some attention from Blister and Skiessentials:
https://blisterreview.com/gear-revie...ender-free-100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRM1c80s3V4&t=353s
I am hoping it is the perfect daily driver/travel ski for someone who has a freeride-freestyle type of skiing style (similar to the 110).
Based on where the real sizes are coming in the 190 SF100, should be around 187, and weigh under 2100g. That might be my jam.
Gave my new 184 SF 100 skis a quick tune on Tuesday night after having them put through Corbetts Jupiter Winterstiger machine twice and they must have been very edge high. Lots of high spots on the base edges, uneven bevels and very coarse finishes on the side edges. Tried them out Wednesday afternoon after skiing Stockli GS skis in the morning on somewhat firmer snow. Was impressed with their carving capabilities but could feel the tune still wasn’t perfect as they weren’t super easy to pivot yet. That night at the hotel I hit the edges again with some stones and tried them again the next day. That night we got almost a foot of new snow but a lot of the new snow was groomed over so just about 1/2 that on most trails but some untouched snow on the side of trails. Started on my 184cm SF 110 to start the day and they were great as always. A blast on the untouched snow, blasted through the tracked groomers and carved great. Switched to the SF 100 in the afternoon and they have a very similar feel but lighter and quicker edge to edge. Noticed they are not quite as quiet as many of my heavier skis with more damping materials on really hard snow but heard a similar sound(but not as loud) on the SF 110 too. Very similar stability as the SF 110 but easier to go edge to edge at lower speeds. Flex is maybe a touch softer but I actually found they absorbed the heavy crud better than the SF 110 which transmitted more vibrations into your shins. The 182cm BO 98 is a bit quieter on firm snow and a bit more precise but the larger tip/tail splay and better sloping on the SF 100 definitely passes over things better. Bit more stable too I think. Was skiing on a smaller Ontario Canada hill but was doing laps all day at 35-40mph in heavy crud without issue on the SF 100. Sold my BO 98 to a buddy’s kid on Wednesday night. Heading out west for a month and taking the SF 100 and Blackops 118. Gave them another once over today and was able to perfect the 1/3 tune even more so they should be skiing even better now. Mounted them -3cm on the edge of the bump so about -6.25cm total back which is the same as my SF 110 and perfect for my 175lbs.
Sorry for the single paragraph but I’ve tried reposting it several times and keeps bunching it together. At least it’s letting me post now I guess.
On my Sender Free 100 today at Lake Louise in firmer conditions but very impressed now with these skis now that the tune is perfect. Very stable at speed and absorb the terrain very well. Snow and skis aren't as loud today so don't notice any noises with them today.