Bibs.....again

Tried today (6-11) but that insta 20% didn’t pop up for me

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Originally Posted by tang

Tried today (6-11) but that insta 20% didn’t pop up for me

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Search for Trew and click the View Shop button. It showed up for me there again. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...2a1e35df72.jpg

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Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk

yeah, they've been on backcountry for 150$ for couple of months now... I used them for 2 seasons - they are OK. Material is bombproof for sure, after 140+ days they are still in very good shape. However, right out of the box waterproofing is not even near gore-tex or derzimax. Plus there is something with this material they use, that makes snow stick to it, so if it's powder day - prepare to look like a snowball. I now use them when I'm skiing somewhere dry. Otherwise you just soak after couple of hours

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That's really disappointing to hear. Dang. The search continues.

Has anyone tried the Rab Khroma Kinetic Bib? The phrase "the protection of a hardshell with the comfort of a softshell" is often used, but it's usually just average. The only bibs that truly lived up to this were the Strafe Gellanots. I even used them for my July volcano skiing and they performed exceptionally well. Another pair I've used are the EB Freshline, which are pretty good overall. The Event fabric is genuinely waterproof; I've sat on wet Pacific snow without getting wet. The soft fabric on the chest breathes well. However, my favorite feature is the two stacked pockets on each thigh and the two chest pockets. One holds the beacon comfortably, and the other fits passes. The single large pocket that the Khroma and most other bibs have can be uncomfortable as it keeps the beacon in the middle. So, is the Khroma fabric worth the trade-off of fewer pockets compared to the Freshline?

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Originally Posted by Stuntmonkey

That's really disappointing to hear. Dang. The search continues.

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I’ve had the opposite experience with Bakers and Chemical pants. Bomber, breathe well and waterproofing is about as good as anything 50 days in, in the pnw. Experience with several pairs, hundreds of days in each. Regarding snow collecting on knees, a thin spray of silicone on that area each year solves it.

Doesn’t get steamy like goretex either. Now if you’re going to be in rain for prolonged days/nights, maybe goretex is the answer.

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Originally Posted by tenB

I’ve had the opposite experience with Bakers and Chemical pants. Bomber, breathe well and waterproofing is about as good as anything 50 days in, in the pnw. Experience with several pairs, hundreds of days in each. Regarding snow collecting on knees, a thin spray of silicone on that area each year solves it.

Doesn’t get steamy like goretex either. Now if you’re going to be in rain for prolonged days/nights, maybe goretex is the answer.

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yeah I own them

Bomber yes

Waterproof yes(eastern skier) yes

They are not very breathable though. The vents are huge though.

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Originally Posted by tenB

I’ve had the opposite experience with Bakers and Chemical pants. Bomber, breathe well and waterproofing is about as good as anything 50 days in, in the pnw. Experience with several pairs, hundreds of days in each. Regarding snow collecting on knees, a thin spray of silicone on that area each year solves it.

Doesn’t get steamy like goretex either. Now if you’re going to be in rain for prolonged days/nights, maybe goretex is the answer.

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

yeah I own them

Bomber yes

Waterproof yes(eastern skier) yes

They are not very breathable though. The vents are huge though.

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Would tend to agree…. used Chemical pant a ton this year w scrambles, tour & even some crampon / rappel time… found em to be perhaps slightly less durable, but was beating the F outta them & always buy dated colors…. So not $450 but more like $120-175- well worth that.

Word is an insulated Baker in coming in 2024. I used Snowman bibs for lift only days at the resorts & they have held up just fine & feel like a snuggy (soft) - again perhaps not as durable, but always buy 1-2 season old colorways, so cheap.

Another item I consider w all my purchases now, can I unload easily when done? FL bibs seem to be easily to sell/move & recoup some $$ ; there are more bomber bibs (Spyder Coaches Bib) that are 2x as spendy & then no one ever wants to take em off my hands.

The snowman is not the same material as the baker. I own both and while I havent ripped the snowman, its seems like they COULD rip.

My baker bibs seems like it would take a knife to tear them.

Its 2L versus 3L.

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Originally Posted by bry

I wear them sometimes on sunny days with zero chance of precip, low wind. Wind cuts through as well. Opposite of foul weather gear I suppose.

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Future light is an electrospun membrane - just like Polartec Neoshell.
They are best utilized for highly aerobic activities where some waterproofing is needed. E.g. Cycling Rain jackets.
It isn't the best technology for absolute waterproofing, especially at low sweat rates. For that, You're better off with a Gore or air-permeable technology.

Source: I was designing cycling apparel utilizing the same supplier as "Futurelight" prior to them getting an exclusive deal with the supplier.

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Originally Posted by Bushwacka

The snowman is not the same material as the baker. I own both and while I havent ripped the snowman, its seems like they COULD rip.

My baker bibs seems like it would take a knife to tear them.

Its 2L versus 3L.

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Originally Posted by detrusor

Super intrigued by the arcteryx pro guide stuff….seems it’s the old made in Canada burly stuff that the Asian made goods are not. I’m not a “professional” though…wonder if they’d make an exception for a ski racer dad who die FS tons of time at the hill…

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Arcteryx outlet stores in Canada will sometimes have their pro line on sale, if you're ever up north of the border

Bumping this thread, I have a six year old pair of Powslayers that are ready to give up the ghost. Bought them back when I had a Patagonia deal, and while they are the best ski pants I’ve ever owned, I’m not sure I’d spend $700 to get another pair.

Do folks have experience with the Flylow Tannen bib have any comments on durability? They seem like a similar fit to the Powslayer, but with a slightly more breathable fabric, which sounds great, but I don’t want to wear them out in a season or two. My first priority is durability, second is fit, waterproofing is third (I live in the desert). They will mostly be used for riding chairlifts, with a bit of touring mixed in. Thoughts? Anybody holding some minty medium Powslayers they don’t want anymore?


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I have the Tannen bibs and like them a lot. But I use them only in the bc and think they're perfect for bc powder days; light weight with excellent vents and fairly low bibs top also helps with ventilation. They would work fine at the resort, but if durability is highest priority there are many heavier good bibs available. I use Trew bibs at the resort. They're fairly light weight but more coverage up top. If you want durable find a pair of original Flylow Baker bibs. Indestructible but quite heavy. In fact I've got a pair of mediums I used to use at the resort until I decided I wanted something lighter weight. You can have them for not much if you want them.

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Originally Posted by PinyonJuniper5

Bumping this thread, I have a six year old pair of Powslayers that are ready to give up the ghost. Bought them back when I had a Patagonia deal, and while they are the best ski pants I’ve ever owned, I’m not sure I’d spend $700 to get another pair.

Do folks have experience with the Flylow Tannen bib have any comments on durability? They seem like a similar fit to the Powslayer, but with a slightly more breathable fabric, which sounds great, but I don’t want to wear them out in a season or two. My first priority is durability, second is fit, waterproofing is third (I live in the desert). They will mostly be used for riding chairlifts, with a bit of touring mixed in. Thoughts? Anybody holding some minty medium Powslayers they don’t want anymore?


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Originally Posted by PinyonJuniper5

Bumping this thread, I have a six year old pair of Powslayers that are ready to give up the ghost. Bought them back when I had a Patagonia deal, and while they are the best ski pants I’ve ever owned, I’m not sure I’d spend $700 to get another pair.

Do folks have experience with the Flylow Tannen bib have any comments on durability? They seem like a similar fit to the Powslayer, but with a slightly more breathable fabric, which sounds great, but I don’t want to wear them out in a season or two. My first priority is durability, second is fit, waterproofing is third (I live in the desert). They will mostly be used for riding chairlifts, with a bit of touring mixed in. Thoughts? Anybody holding some minty medium Powslayers they don’t want anymore?


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buy bakers, open vents, wear merino.

x3 baker bib

4 seasons (120ish colder days) and handed them off to another mag in minty condition other than some cuff/ski abrasion.

I'd still have them in the quiver, but large were really baggy without a fleece layer.

...and they never looked cruddy/dirty.

V2? 2017/18 leftover - 212$

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Originally Posted by hopelesslyadolescent

I have the Tannen bibs and like them a lot. But I use them only in the bc and think they're perfect for bc powder days; light weight with excellent vents and fairly low bibs top also helps with ventilation. They would work fine at the resort, but if durability is highest priority there are many heavier good bibs available. I use Trew bibs at the resort. They're fairly light weight but more coverage up top. If you want durable find a pair of original Flylow Baker bibs. Indestructible but quite heavy. In fact I've got a pair of mediums I used to use at the resort until I decided I wanted something lighter weight. You can have them for not much if you want them.

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Interested if available to others

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Originally Posted by SoVT Joey

buy bakers, open vents, wear merino.

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I've been running Mountain Hardwear Firefall bibs. Lightly insulated and just opening the vents has been fine for me. I'm still in the market for new ones and leaning towards the Bakers.

Acrteryx dropped the sentinal from their line up and the rush bib / pro line is basically just a black awkwardly fitting bib. Pretty bummed they aren't doing good colourways this year.

My list which is currently for me to remember the brands i need to try lol:

Norrona Tamok
Mountain Hardwear Viv
BD Recon
Flylow Baker
OR Hemisphere + one other I'm forgetting

I’ve had great luck with the Stio Environ bibs. Several seasons in them and they’ve been bombproof.

I bought some Patagonia I think powslayers a couple years ago and I’m not loving them. Fit is a bit short and baggy for me and I would prefer a bit beefier fabric. I have some 15yo arcteryx theta sv that are money but no longer waterproof. Is anyone making heavy fabric gore pro slimmer fit bib anymore? Im 6’3” 205 and wearing larges.

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I lived in the theta until they got clipped in a base lodge...

You're going to find a better fit in a yurp cut

currently in a Solomon S/Lab QST Gore-Tex Pro for bibs (don't know who they farm it to) that's flexible, quiet, warm, and hasn't wetted out.

eta: with well designed venting

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Originally Posted by carlh

I bought some Patagonia I think powslayers a couple years ago and I’m not loving them. Fit is a bit short and baggy for me and I would prefer a bit beefier fabric. I have some 15yo arcteryx theta sv that are money but no longer waterproof. Is anyone making heavy fabric gore pro slimmer fit bib anymore? Im 6’3” 205 and wearing larges.

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Does Norrona have something that works for you?


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Norrona only has a couple super expensive bibs that are hard to find on sale. How are the OR hemisphere bibs? I can get them on deal. I see some Scott’s on super clearance on bc right now as well.

Also looking at some close out rab Kroma thx as rab seems to fit well.

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Originally Posted by carlh

Norrona only has a couple super expensive bibs that are hard to find on sale. How are the OR hemisphere bibs? I can get them on deal. I see some Scott’s on super clearance on bc right now as well.

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Hemisphere fit really weird in the torso. The legs are fine, but I returned them.

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Originally Posted by phatty

Hemisphere fit really weird in the torso. The legs are fine, but I returned them.

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Hmmm
I like my OR hemispheres. Fit me fine. Mine a couple years old now - have they changed in some way?

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Originally Posted by dcpnz

Hmmm
I like my OR hemispheres. Fit me fine. Mine a couple years old now - have they changed in some way?

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I had the first year, so maybe they have gotten better. The were baggy up top. The old photos showed a person tucking a puffy under the bib. Maybe they designed the original for that before they realized no one really wants to do that.

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Originally Posted by ripvw

I’ve had great luck with the Stio Environ bibs. Several seasons in them and they’ve been bombproof.

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Good to hear. Just picked some up before reading this thread.


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I'm gonna throw this question out here, since it's semi-related and getting good set of eyes...
Recently bought some Trew Capow bibs. Seem to fit most of my wants. But... they are really bellbottom-y. Don't know if I'll use these late season when most likely to use crampons, but any hacks on tightening em up? I have some Strafe Cham pants that have snaps on the back for this - an option I guess, but while I've done some mediocre sewing, I've not installed snaps.
Kinda random, but appreciate any thoughts.

^^^ BTW, I'm prob overthinking and should just voile strap em tight if need be... but maybe there's a slicker solution

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Originally Posted by tang

^^^ BTW, I'm prob overthinking and should just voile strap em tight if need be... but maybe there's a slicker solution

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I agree this is an annoying evolution in their product. Their old bibs had snaps like most others. I actually asked them about it, here's their answer:

"Ahh, the infamous cuff snaps. We loved them, too, but we found that they were without question the first thing to break on any bibs - and break they did. Whether folks were stepping on them, hitting them on other hard surfaces, or getting them caught in their bindings, those cuff snaps were always causing us trouble. And in an effort to create a more durable product, we opted to remove the snaps and make the cuff a bit tighter around the leg opening to compensate for them being gone - which honestly has been pretty great so far. "

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Originally Posted by optics

I agree this is an annoying evolution in their product. Their old bibs had snaps like most others. I actually asked them about it, here's their answer:

"Ahh, the infamous cuff snaps. We loved them, too, but we found that they were without question the first thing to break on any bibs - and break they did. Whether folks were stepping on them, hitting them on other hard surfaces, or getting them caught in their bindings, those cuff snaps were always causing us trouble. And in an effort to create a more durable product, we opted to remove the snaps and make the cuff a bit tighter around the leg opening to compensate for them being gone - which honestly has been pretty great so far. "

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Sounds like they didn't actually do the last part of this (tightening up the bottom). Disappointed to hear this as the Capow was high on my list to check out since it checks most of my boxes.

^^^ interesting Optics. I guess I'm not completely crazy.
The Strafe Chams actually have snaps on the back (think achilles and mid calf) that then you can snap Mad Magazine style to take up excess "flare" (is there such a thing?!). For the purpose of keeping from snagging em with your crampon points. The Capows aren't really a light ski mtn-ing pants - but still seems like too much material hanging out there.

OK, I'm looking again here. These will be for resort riding primarily.

Key features

1. Inner thigh vents. Side zips don't vent me nearly as well. Both inner and side is preferred.

2. GTX Pro - I have yet to find a material that keeps me as dry in the PNWet.

I found Backcountry Cardiac bibs. What else is out there?

Norrona lofoten pro plus. Super pricey but best pants on the market imo and have inner thigh vents. The reg pro might have them too, but not sure. Run smaller than Patagonia Arc’teryx trew Flylow and other mainstream brands.

Man I wish that Norronas would put some of the fabric on the cuffs up on the thigh and waist. Such sick product that just don’t work with my dad bod.


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Originally Posted by phatty

OK, I'm looking again here. These will be for resort riding primarily.

Key features

1. Inner thigh vents. Side zips don't vent me nearly as well. Both inner and side is preferred.

2. GTX Pro - I have yet to find a material that keeps me as dry in the PNWet.

I found Backcountry Cardiac bibs. What else is out there?

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Burton has the inner and side venting perfected. Check out the AK Tusk bib.

I just ordered some bc cottonwoods and mtn hardware boundary ridges that were on close out. Will report back. 686 has some options that look interesting as well. Trying to avoid paying $800 for the Norrona.

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Originally Posted by phatty

OK, I'm looking again here. These will be for resort riding primarily.

Key features

1. Inner thigh vents. Side zips don't vent me nearly as well. Both inner and side is preferred.

2. GTX Pro - I have yet to find a material that keeps me as dry in the PNWet.

I found Backcountry Cardiac bibs. What else is out there?

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Originally Posted by carlh

I just ordered some bc cottonwoods and mtn hardware boundary ridges that were on close out. Will report back. 686 has some options that look interesting as well. Trying to avoid paying $800 for the Norrona.

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Same! Interested to hear your thoughts once you get them. Even used, the prices are crazy. Armada used to have some, but looks like they stepped down to a lower GTX. Stio has some as well, but $700+.

I like bibs with a super low waist. Basically high waisted pants with suspenders... Whats out there? The Stio Environs look nice except I dont want full zips, they appear to have no way to vent without unzipping from the top and then relying on the snaps to hold them together whichI dont think works well. Arcteryx Rush. Flylow Tannen. Mammut Haldigrat. And preferably comes in grey or tan.. Yes I'm picky.. Anything else?