The blue Duke PT16s would look good on the blue 122s.Quote:
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The blue Duke PT16s would look good on the blue 122s.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowMachine
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Yeah, I don’t get the graphics. I really want to snag a pair of the 112s but I just can’t get past the snail brain so I’m holding out in hopes of finding a previous year. I wonder how many sales they’ve lost due to graphics. Might end up buying some wildcat108s instead.
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I really couldn't agree with you more. They're pretty bad. The graphics are pretty sophomoric and I own some J Stuntman graphic skis (not entirely by choice :rolleyes2).Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
Anyone have any thoughts on replacing my 2013 pettitor in 179? I was thinking of getting the 122 Reckoner in 184... Pettitors seem to measure closer to 120 in the waste and I assume the Reckoner 122 might be the natural successor. I was daily driving the pettitors when I lived in WA and they've become noodles over 10 years. Looking to replace them with something for larger snow days now that I'm living in WY.
Today I'm daily driving an Atris 105, love them, but they cap out at about 10" of fresh... looking for something to slay those 20" overnight dumps.
Never skied the Pettitor, but the Reckoners are long FWIW. The 184 Reckoner 122 is longer than the 186 Bodacious. Just mounted mine, they sure look fun.Quote:
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How tall/heavy are you on the 184? what size skis do you normally ski?Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
Pretty sure he's usually on 190ish skis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Velomayniac
I'm usually on high 170s to 180 and I went with the 112 in a 184 (more like a 186 in other brands).
I notice the extra tail in moguls and trees, but I agree with Altacoup that they are more composed than I expected based on the reviews.
I don't take huge airs but I also noticed that they are far more composed than most of my other skis when landing airs. I suspect it's the soft tails?
They are fun.
I also know I'm in the minority here but I actually quite like the topsheets with the testicles/snails.
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I’m 5’10” 185 and ski anywhere from 185 to 196. Usually prefer a progressive mount of about -6 from true center, due to years of skiing hoji designs. I’m shocked how hard I was able to ski the 102 in the spring. Even handled 15-20 ft drops if you stay centered. I ended up buying a pair of the long 112s for cheap from Corbetts. The carbon weave is a good ski design.
After starting this thread initially, then selling my McFetridge topsheet 112’s flat before tryingthem, but recently buying 1st gen 112s again and then some 1st gen 122s, I’m really looking forward to getting on the 112 and 122 Reckoners.
I’m on the back rec line for the 112s (-5.5cm) and thinking going -1 cm (-5.5 cm) on the 122s. I think they have a pretty big sweet spot..
PS Both my Reckoners are 177cm but measure more like a 179cm (I'm 170 cm). Should be perfect for tight terrain on Blackcomb.
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Interesting, because I normally ski 190cm-ish chargers too. My planned daily drivers for this year are 191 Katana 108s, last year was 2015 191 Mantras. I'd like to try the 184 Reckoner 112s as shorty, wide all mountain jib skis. I can get discounted demos this season and this is going on my list for sure. I learned to ski hard after high school on skis like this, and then slowly gravitated towards directional chargers as I got older, but still love a good, short jib-stick.
How Altacoup describes the noodley flex to move out of the way efficiently and also provide pretty good suspension if you stay balanced, describes how I felt about SOME K2s I've skied in the past. K2 Obsethed and Pettitors were like that for me. They are absolute noodles, some of the softest skis on the market, but I could actually ski them fast very easily with little effort or energy. Just with a different style, kind of. You can go on yoohoob and see bigger dude pros like Collin Collins (I think he's around 6'2" and slightly under 200lbs) ripping around on these noodles in 179cm in chundery, maritime conditions. Staying centered and balanced is the key point here, they do not like to be driven and will wash out if you get into the back seat even in the slightest.
Back when I weighed less in my early twenties, I had 179 K2 shreditor 112s that I absolutely loved for that short, wide all mountain jib ski role. I wanted to try the 184 Reckoner 112 now that I'm quite a bit heavier, but I was afraid K2's lost that older fiberglass feel, and now they are so lightweight that I just wouldn't like them. However, I have read bit's and pieces like Altacoup's that get my hopes up.
Onto my demo list
Perfect ski for AlpentalQuote:
Originally Posted by waveshello
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Y’all have me rethinking getting 112 191s. I posted about this last year but I’m still on the hunt. I’m 6’3, 200 and usually like skis around 188-190. I’m buying this as a do everything travel ski to be mounted with inserts for alpinists and pivots. Jeffery series are my favorite skis to date but too heavy for touring and I’m too cheap to buy 50/50 cores so I’m looking at this ski. I slightly prefer the 186 Jeffery’s over the 191s. I’ll be skiing everything from tight trees (trees at stevens) to wide open (vail, whistler). I’d normally reach for the 191 but since these measure long and it would be nice to save some weight for touring, I’m really considering the 184s. I imagine the split will be 65/35 resort/touring. The consensus last time was 191, but seems like a number of people are going short. Thoughts?
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ON3P and K2 measure pressed length
Right. So a 191 reckoner is going to be a ~193 other brands which is long for my tastes. But a 184 reckoner sounds pretty short. And I think I read that these skis short (even if they measure long). “193” seems too long but I haven’t skied sub 188 in over a decade. Over analyzing things for sure, but that’s what august and tgr are for.Quote:
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My Caylors are 191 and also ski short. They ski shorter than my 191 Boneshakers and they measure out the same as my 187 Woodsman
Also, I mainly ski BCC, which, for the most part is smaller, tighter lines than say, LCC.
So where you ski probably plays a role
For the touring aspect you speak of, if it were me, id probably go 184. Im 6'2" ~220lbs
The longest length freestyle K2s only ever worked for me in the Pettitor 120 and Obsethed, which were just solid enough (I guess because they were the athlete versions?) to actually be stable enough to charge fairly confidently, and then also super playful K2 flex so they added a to to my quiver in terms of tight tree skiing or technical chutes whatever.
In the Kung Fujas, Shreditor 102, and Shreditor 112, the longest lengths weren't stable enough to charge like some other competitor skis (Moment Bibby/PBJ/Wildcat), and they were a tad too long for me to actually mess around on like 180s, 360s, grabs and park laps with rails and half-pipe. Too long to try new jibs, for me anyways. They felt meh all around, whereas the middle lengths (179-184) were super jibby and made me try new tricks around the whole mountain, that the stiffer 184 PbJ and Bibby/Wildcat don't truly allow a lot of creativity (butters and such). I also found the shorter length K2s chattered significantly less for some reason (they were same stiffness as long K2s) which also translated to a slightly higher speed limit as long as I skied super centered.
Idk if that makes sense. I know the Reckoner is a completely different ski to those, but this is all in the back of my mind. I would buy the 184 over the 191 still, and I am 6'2", 195-235lbs depending on the year.
Interesting. In my head I’m rooting for the 184 as lighter for touring and more playful sound fun so I like your take. I don’t flip or spin so the jibby part is less applicable but still have a pretty playful approach to skiing. The shorter sticks being less chattery is really interesting tho, esp coming from a fellow 200 pounder.Quote:
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191 ... everything he mentioned about 10 to 15 year old skis is inapplicable.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
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Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
He's right, the new skis are completely different. I'd still go 184 as a jib ski myself, but I'd like to try the larger length too it sounds like. Cy Whitling was telling me specifically that the Reckoner 112 is more stable than the old Shreditor 112, even though it is lighter weight. So the larger version could be more in line with the stability on a 190 Wildcat 108 or something, and still nimble.
Certain versions of those old k2s were basically the only skis I ever felt more confidence in the 179s than 189s (shreditor 102 and 112), mainly because they were such noodles and the longer noodle just got more noodley.
Well, people using slightly shorter and lighter skis for touring or shorter skis for tighter terrain hasn't changed much
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Grabbed myself a pair, little worse condition than I was expecting (bought on eBay with poor lighting pics) but whatever, I’m stoked. They feel a little heavier than I expected but nice and poppy. Now which bindings? Kind of thinking forza 2.0
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Navy pivots look sweet on thoseQuote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
My rec for mount would be on the team line .
Don't expect them to finish the turn for you when carving groomers just point and slash point and slash. Really important to have the tune or rather detune right on those skis you should be able to throw them sideways at full speed and not slow down at all unless you want to. Enjoy
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Just picked up last years 112’s in a 191 shipped to my house for $360 CAD from sport chek. They have an additional 25% off code right now (CESEP).
That's a hell of a deal
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Tried to buy some Salomon Qst from the sportchek website but they don’t seem to ship to the US.
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A seller on Geartrade listed a bunch of lengths and widths of these new for $350, pretty good deal. Brand new Reckoner 102 184 for $299.
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Getting ready to mount them up. I like mounts around minus 5, more progressive but not a park guy. I liked the deathwish on the line and the Jeffery at minus 1. For the reckoner I’m thinking of splitting the difference between team and midsole lines. Thoughts?
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Go team. I've tried all 3 ... all of the reckoners ski better the further fwd you go.Quote:
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Found a new pair of 112s, 184cm with one of the few acceptable top sheets (IMO). I like the current 23/24 graphics but haven’t found any deals yet.
Mount point? Been following the thread and most recs are midsole with a few team votes. I’m leaning towards midsole or a smidge behind that (i.e., -6cm). Mounting black Attack 14, not very exciting, I know.
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I went with team line per sirvicamashers rec. Only one early season day so far but I like them there but I like forward mounts
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I think either work. It's a big sweet spot so I don't think you are missing out a ton either way.
I went with midsole because I wanted a little more float and I tend to like skis with recommended mount points in the 5-6 cm range.
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I’ve have one shitty day on the reckoner 112 and was surprised by how versatile they were. Definitely a lot of similarities to the Jeffery but felt like better grip on groomers and more willing to do small turns. Curious to see how these will do in chop compared to the heavier bamboo Jeffery’s
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I have been on both ON3P Jeffs (110 waist-width 181 length) and K2 Reckoners (112 waist-width 184 length).Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
Agree with the assessment that Reckoners are better regarding grip on groomers and smaller turns. They're softer overall which is probably what makes them easier to push into those smaller turns. Reckoners feel twitchier and less stable than Jeffs, but more maneuverable.
Jeffs were stiffer and more difficult for me to butter and play around on. I am far from the best at butters or playful-er skiing in general. Those who are better at newschool-style skiing probably won't have the same issues as me. If you're substantially heavier than me (175lbs) you should probably gravitate towards Jeffs more. Jeffs require an upright stance and cannot be skied through the shovels at all. Reckoners allow for you to drive the shovels a wee bit (at least from farthest-back line).
Not going to try Jeffs again but I am interested in the Woodsman/Billy Goat.
I want to try a pair of the 112s, but I don't know if I should try 184 or 191.
Been loving the jibbiness of my 186 Blackops 118, but don't think the 184 Reckoner will have the same backbone when I want to open it up. Been really enjoying my 190 Moment Wildcat 108s too, however they aren't ridiculously jibby which keeps me on the hunt for something more noodley.
Thinking 191s would be best, but I need them to absolutely RIP big funky moguls and I'm not quite sure if they do That's the whole reason I'd be buying them, it's the only place I don't love Wildcat 108s, super tight stuff and buttering around
I am heavier (205 lbs) and might drop the reckoner 112 and stick to a 2 ski quiver of dw104 and kartel 116. Buuut if I’m being real, I spend more time in the trees than I do charging where I might appreciate the more maneuverable reckoner. Time will tellQuote:
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Reckoners might not be super stiff, but I wouldn’t call them noodley. I’ll let others chime in who have spent more time on them but I don’t think I’d pick a 112 waisted ski to rip mogulsQuote:
Originally Posted by Velomayniac
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Sometimes I like 112mm skis for do-it-all, but they need to rip bumps. I loved Shreditor 112s and Katana 112s
I don't remember if you already have reckoners or not? If you want to rip bumps on them I think it's possible but would be easier if you are on the larger side, and definitely give them an thorough detune.Quote:
Originally Posted by Velomayniac
They start out VERY sharp.
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Well dang this happened. Was randomly looking at Sport Chek’s website and saw Reckoners for $149 CDN. WTF?
PS I had sold my 177 Reckoner 122s (unskied).
Guess I was meant to have these skis. And free shipping. Not my fault?
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Man I’m glad they don’t have any longer lengths available. I own way too many powder skis.