Lupo Pro HD thread

Offering a data point on the fit of the Lupo AX HD. I have a high instep and a relatively wide foot. My current resort boot is a Rossignol Alltrack 120 which has a stated 102mm last. Previous boot was a Lange XC 120, which is a Lange SX with a walk mode, and it also had a stated 102mm last (as I think the Lange's and Rossignols come from the same molds?). Both boots fit right out of the box for me and no boot work was needed other than using my custom foot beds. Anyway... Lupo AX HD's have a similar out of the box fit (as compared to the Lange and Rossignols); instep fit is spot on but they are a little tight around the forefoot.

Ottime,
I'll try to remember updating once I get them on my feet.

Otto, I came from the Ghost 130 and find the Lupo about the same. Like, very, very similar. I don't have them near me to A and B them but from what I recall, no work was really needed for either beyond a liner mold.

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What class are we talking about? 130 flex "tourable" boots with excellent downhill capabilities?

Everyone makes one. For next year there's the Atomic Hawx Ultra/Prime XTD, Tecnica Zero G Tour Pro/Cochise 130, Lange XT3 130/LV, Salomon Shift 130, Nordica Strider 130, Dalbello Lupo 130 C/Pro HD, Rossignol Alltrack Elite 130, K2 Mindbender 130, Roxa R3 130 Ti, Head Kore 1, Full Tilt Ascendant, Fischer Ranger Free 130, Scarpa Maestrale RS/XT, Dynafit Hoji Free, etc. Many of these boots come in a 120 flex version also.

I've never seen your foot, but some of these will be a better match for you than others. If you have fit issues, some will be easier for a bootfitter to remedy than others. In addition to stated last width, there is also toe box shape, midfoot and heel volume, instep height, cuff circumference, etc. - that's before you even consider the weight of the boot or the range of motion in the walk mode, or ramp/forward lean, or how well they ski compared to a pure alpine boot.

That's where well-stocked shops and experienced bootfitters come in, hopefully they'll both be back in the fall.

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Thanks for the help. It's bugging me to wait, but patience is a virtue. Just a bit bummed and frustrated with all the money I sank into getting my Panterra's to work.

I have a normal instep just from some quick measurements (using the blister article method), but I could be way off. 100 last. My calves/ankles are skinny.

Will try posting a pic at some point, but my wife has no idea I bought new boots, and I prefer to keep it that way.

Fit, on the forefoot, is awesome, much like the Cochises. Havent pulled the liners out yet for looking at the shell fit, but the liners were thin enough to let me in out of the box. Will obviously bake them, both for the tour liners and my powerwraps.

I'm hoping to hop in here with a question. I've been looking at the Lupa AX 120. I tried some on and they seemed to fit pretty well. Some of the reviews I've seen online suggest that the plastic they use on his boot isn't the best quality. It looks like the Lupo AX HD is made of better plastic but is heavier. My question is, is that the only difference? I live in a pretty rural area and I don't think I'm going to be able to find someplace to try these on. If the AX 120 fit me, should I expect the AX HD to fit the same?

Thanks!

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I'm hoping to hop in here with a question. I've been looking at the Lupa AX 120. I tried some on and they seemed to fit pretty well. Some of the reviews I've seen online suggest that the plastic they use on his boot isn't the best quality. It looks like the Lupo AX HD is made of better plastic but is heavier. My question is, is that the only difference? I live in a pretty rural area and I don't think I'm going to be able to find someplace to try these on. If the AX 120 fit me, should I expect the AX HD to fit the same?

Thanks!

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Lupo pro HD is 98 mm last
Lupo AX 120 is 100 mm last

So different width as lupo HD is more race fit

I have lupo ax 120 and really like it. No durability issues so far. Plastic is a little weak where I have missed the pin bindings going in if my toe is off. But that’s user error and I’m getting better so no issues this year. About 10 days total and they are good


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Originally Posted by SlipperKing

I'm hoping to hop in here with a question. I've been looking at the Lupa AX 120. I tried some on and they seemed to fit pretty well. Some of the reviews I've seen online suggest that the plastic they use on his boot isn't the best quality. It looks like the Lupo AX HD is made of better plastic but is heavier. My question is, is that the only difference? I live in a pretty rural area and I don't think I'm going to be able to find someplace to try these on. If the AX 120 fit me, should I expect the AX HD to fit the same?

Thanks!

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AFAIK the Lupo AX HD fits the same as the other AX boots.

So if you know the 120 fits, then the HD in the AX model should be just fine.

The non AX models are a narrower last, 98mm vs 100mm, but unless your feet are crammed into the AX you could probably get away with the narrower last as well.

Ymmv

I went from the AX 120 to the HD Pro (100mm to 98mm). If I compare them with their stock liners the AX felt good but a little loose all around when skiing. The HD Pro was tight around my instep. I dropped in a set of intuition LV luxury liners in the HD Pros and ended up with a perfect fit.
For me and my skiing and my usage the HD Pro was a better boot. Don’t get me wrong the AX 120 is a great boot I just needed something stiffer and a tad tighter and was willing to give up the weight savings.

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I went from the AX 120 to the HD Pro (100mm to 98mm). If I compare them with their stock liners the AX felt good but a little loose all around when skiing. The HD Pro was tight around my instep. I dropped in a set of intuition LV luxury liners in the HD Pros and ended up with a perfect fit.
For me and my skiing and my usage the HD Pro was a better boot. Don’t get me wrong the AX 120 is a great boot I just needed something stiffer and a tad tighter and was willing to give up the weight savings.

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This has been my experience as well. The AX 120 skis a little vague in the Grilamid & chips up a bit, but ultimately not terrible.

The Pro HD provides more rebound & a more solid feel.

Looking for some liner advice.

I've been running Dalbellos, Krypton pros and lupos, for over 10 years now. My resort boot is currently a lupo SP and main touring boot the original lupo factory. This setup has served me well but in an effort to run one boot I bought a pair of Lupo HDs. Right away did not like the liner and I dropped a liner(looks similar to an intuition tour wrap) out of a Lupo Ti I used to ski and that was better but not great. I must have a narrow heel because my bootfitter always glues on some padding behind/below the malleoli to help lock my heel. With every boot fitting I've had in Dalbellos the hot spots are typically the top of the instep, base of 5th MT and BL malleoli. I've only had to have the lupo air punched to get it to fit. Anyway, the question I have is what intuition liner to try? I'm torn between the power wrap, dreamliner, tour wrap, and pro tour liners. I have a buddy who just runs his power wrap out of his lupo sp in the factory and it doesn't seem to bother him touring. Anyone touring long days in Power Wraps care to comment? I'm kind of leaning towards the Power Wrap as I haven't found a touring liner that comes close to the power wraps for performance. I'm pretty committed to get this boot to work as I'm sick of traveling with 2 boots or adjusting bindings constantly.

Also size up or down a size? HV or MV? I have a 25.5 boot.

Anyone tried other aftermarket liners in their HDs? zipfits, surefoot, sidas, etc.

I run tour wrap in my lupo AX. Love it. I run pro wrap and power wrap in alpine. Can’t comment on rom from power wrap


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I'm running a 26 Power Wrap MV in a 25.5 HD. I have super low volume feet and the wrap helps take up the little bit of space I need it to above the instep. Put about 70 resort days on them and the fit is still dialed. I've toured ~20 days on that liner and it definitely impedes the rearward ROM more than I'd like for longer/flatter tours. I think I'll try a Tour Wrap.

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had the old pair of Sean Petit Lupos. Hated that the walk mode didnt lock into the ski position. Went back to KR PRos. the end.

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had the old pair of Sean Petit Lupos. Hated that the walk mode didnt lock into the ski position. Went back to KR PRos. the end.

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Are you meaning that you don't like how they don't lock in a forward motion? The Lupo walk mode only blocks the rearward movement as Dalbello 3 piece boots only get their flex from the tongue of the boot, not the spine. Kryprons are the same-the spine of the boot is only blocked in a rearward motion.

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Looking to upgrade stock liner in my Lupo AXs as they are way too soft. Fit has been great out of the box with no mods necessary. Looks like I can score a deal on the Max Lite liners out of Lupo Pro HD or a Tour Wrap. Goal is to make the boot warmer and hopefully stiffen it up a bit. I'm using the boot as a 50/50 boot for easy tours and inbound skiing. Anybody skiing either of these liners?

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Looking to upgrade stock liner in my Lupo AXs as they are way too soft. Fit has been great out of the box with no mods necessary. Looks like I can score a deal on the Max Lite liners out of Lupo Pro HD or a Tour Wrap. Goal is to make the boot warmer and hopefully stiffen it up a bit. I'm using the boot as a 50/50 boot for easy tours and inbound skiing. Anybody skiing either of these liners?

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I doubt the Max Lite liner will do much to stiffen up the boots given that it has flex zones/notches in both the front and back of the ankle area. Check out Blister's review of the Pro HD. They test the boots with a variety of tongue-liner combos, and reading through it looks like you'll either need a stiffer tongue or a Pro Wrap liner to stiffen up the boot. As much as the stock liners suck, a stiffer tongue is the easier, cheaper, more versatile option IMO.

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I doubt the Max Lite liner will do much to stiffen up the boots given that it has flex zones/notches in both the front and back of the ankle area. Check out Blister's review of the Pro HD. They test the boots with a variety of tongue-liner combos, and reading through it looks like you'll either need a stiffer tongue or a Pro Wrap liner to stiffen up the boot. As much as the stock liners suck, a stiffer tongue is the easier, cheaper, more versatile option IMO.

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Got it. Unfortunately, finding the stiffer tongues has been really difficult.

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Got it. Unfortunately, finding the stiffer tongues has been really difficult.

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Oh bummer. You could probably mod a pair of Full Tilt tongues to fit. I did that a few years ago on a pair of Dalbello Sherpas to stiffen them up. Worked really well.

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Oh bummer. You could probably mod a pair of Full Tilt tongues to fit. I did that a few years ago on a pair of Dalbello Sherpas to stiffen them up. Worked really well.

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I think I'm going to try this as it's almost impossible to find Dalbello tongues. Do you remember which FT tongues you used? Looks like they come in 2 different types - FTE (which fit Ascendant/Evolution boot shell) or FTS/FTO (Soul/Original Boot shell). The FTS/FTO is the one with the more pronounced ribs.

Anyone ever have issues with the tongue bolts (for lack of a better term)? Mine seem ok to date, but it looks like the plastic that holds them could be buckling and potentially break if I got too far forward while skinning.

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I broke one of mine off a couple of weeks ago skinning with my tongues on :/

Broke the cuff on my new lupo HD boots last week while skiing. Same thing happened to my lupo SP boots a few seasons ago. Still waiting to hear back from Dalbello about getting them warrantied. Anyone know a dalbello rep in the tahoe area?

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I broke one of mine off a couple of weeks ago skinning with my tongues on :/

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Did the plastic break or was it the metal? Warranty experience? Have you checked in with dalbello?

Now actually using them this seems to be a pretty obvious design flaw and I don’t see the fix as being easy to remedy since it’s not an easily replaceable part.


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It was the plastic that broke, the metal bit didn't even bend. TBH i haven't been in contact with Dalbello or the shop I bought them from yet but I'm going to chat with the shop today

Please do check back in here if you get anywhere. I’m pretty concerned this is an inevitability.


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Broke the cuff on my new lupo HD boots last week while skiing. Same thing happened to my lupo SP boots a few seasons ago. Still waiting to hear back from Dalbello about getting them warrantied. Anyone know a dalbello rep in the tahoe area?

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Got this sorted through a great local shop. Anyone else breaking cuffs? Luckily I kept my lupo factories as a backup till i get a replacement cuff.


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Best way to increase forward lean just cutting up a shim from the krypton and screwing it into the ledge with one screw? Anyone got photos?

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Best way to increase forward lean just cutting up a shim from the krypton and screwing it into the ledge with one screw? Anyone got photos?

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I took the forward lean shims that velcro to the back of the stock liners, and screwed them into the cuff. Works perfectly.

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Best way to increase forward lean just cutting up a shim from the krypton and screwing it into the ledge with one screw? Anyone got photos?

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A few people I know have put a Fulltilt version of a shim in there with a little bit of trimming.

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Best way to increase forward lean just cutting up a shim from the krypton and screwing it into the ledge with one screw? Anyone got photos?

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Go check the carbon lupo thread, info in there.

I did it, but it was a bit much, so then I just switched to a spoiler, but it works great shimming the ledge.

Difference between Lupo 130 C and Pro HD? How do they compare with AX 120?
(Asking for a friend, he has AX 120 looking to upgrade)

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Difference between Lupo 130 C and Pro HD? How do they compare with AX 120?
(Asking for a friend, he has AX 120 looking to upgrade)

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I had the the AX 120 and switched to the Pro HD when it came out. The Pro weighs more, is stiffer, narrower and has a better stock liner.
I found the 120 to be too soft and wide for me. The pro fit me better and the DH performance is much better and worth the trade off on weight….for me. Others may have a different opinion.

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Difference between Lupo 130 C and Pro HD? How do they compare with AX 120?
(Asking for a friend, he has AX 120 looking to upgrade)

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Lupo 130c has a grilamid clog which is lighter and less damp than PU. Pro HD has a normal PU clog which is the same as the Krypton and heavier. Other than that, they have the same cuff.

I scored a pair of pro hd's on Craigslist earlier this summer, finally picking them up from my local friend today. Pretty stoked. Hoping I can solve some of the extra volume issues I was having in the Nordica Strider.

Any recommendations on intuition liners for these? Thinking tour wrap, power wrap, pro wrap, or pro tour. I'm happy with the power wraps in my mercuries, but I'm thinking the lower volume pro wrap might be a better choice for this boot. Not a lot of info out there on the pro wrap. I'm looking for a pair of alpine soles blocks too... Let me know if anyone has a pair that's not getting used.

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I scored a pair of pro hd's on Craigslist earlier this summer, finally picking them up from my local friend today. Pretty stoked. Hoping I can solve some of the extra volume issues I was having in the Nordica Strider.

Any recommendations on intuition liners for these? Thinking tour wrap, power wrap, pro wrap, or pro tour. I'm happy with the power wraps in my mercuries, but I'm thinking the lower volume pro wrap might be a better choice for this boot. Not a lot of info out there on the pro wrap. I'm looking for a pair of alpine soles blocks too... Let me know if anyone has a pair that's not getting used.

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Hands down, best liner (for me) has been the FullTilt pro liner. Works pretty much out of the box, tours/skis well & molds well!

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Hands down, best liner (for me) has been the FullTilt pro liner. Works pretty much out of the box, tours/skis well & molds well!

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Looks like they might have discontinued the standard pro liner, but they do have 4 other liners that resemble non db-branded intuition liners. Unless you were thinking of one of these?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5051f6891c.jpg

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I got them home and on my feet... Stoked on the fit. I have about 2 fingers of shell space, fit with the packed out stock liners is a little loose everywhere except the forefoot, which is almost perfect. Maybe I could have gone down to a 26.5 with a forefoot punch. I think I'll be able to avoid any shell work with the right liner. Walk mode feels great. Tongue feels pretty intense, seems like that's common with the stock liners?

EDIT: found a pair of new tour wraps for $99, alpine soles for $50.

So I'm in to these $350 now... Just saw that there are brand new 25.5, 26.5 and 27.5 pro hd's on steep and cheap for $417 right now. Seems like a pretty good deal. Oh well.

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Looks like they might have discontinued the standard pro liner, but they do have 4 other liners that resemble non db-branded intuition liners. Unless you were thinking of one of these?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...5051f6891c.jpg

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Pro Wrap FTW