I think the OG design in this thread is awesome because who wants to tour with an alpine binding heel on their ski if they dont have to. Going to do my own version using inserts and demo Strive binding. Will post pictures of completed setup.
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I think the OG design in this thread is awesome because who wants to tour with an alpine binding heel on their ski if they dont have to. Going to do my own version using inserts and demo Strive binding. Will post pictures of completed setup.
Well, if the demo version of it is available retail and it uses the same track as the Attack; that'd be quite the new product in the marketplace. Effectively a track based CAST system.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
They probably read this thread and know about CAST. I wouldn’t call that innovation.Quote:
Originally Posted by doebedoe
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Bump for folks coming from Blister to check this out… send tech support to fix the photo links!Oh, and Tyrolia… make demo tracks available for purchase as a separate, independent item.
Love that Tyrolia finally wised up and essentially stole this idea. Great work !
They've only copied the idea for the toes, which isn't that different from CAST, Duke PT, etc.
The real benefit of these DIY versions is the option to also remove the heel for longer tours / expeditions.
Maybe they'll get to it next year?...
You could always use a demo attack heel, i wonder if the tech toe will be available as a separate item (doubt it) and if it fits on standard attack demo tracks. Also cool that you can ski down with tech toe and alpine heel in a pinch, i think the only hybrid that allows that?Quote:
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Originally Posted by Duffman
I'd love if Salomon did it with the Strive demo. They won't because they want to sell more Shifts, but I think it would be great.
I've been skiing it some and I think the Strive is the best demo platform on the market right now...and it is great for this:
1. Low weight.
2. Skis pretty well.
3. Low stack height (same as non-demo)
4. No toe height adjustment needed.
A riser solution and a tech toe on a plate would great here. Downside is no AT sole support, but if you're running a setup like this there's pretty good odds you're using a heavier walk mode boot that has gripwalk soles anyways.
I think I’ll likely pick up a set of these when they’re available, solely to use the toe price. Holding/assuming they work with current demo tracks
The only thing I dislike about my frankentour setup is the toe piece can have a lot of slop/rotation when skiining up.
Definitely a bit miss that they didn’t make the heel removable too, there really aren’t downsides. That was the whole point, Lindahl’s setup was ~500g on the up, and full alpine on the down. Sliding a heel on and off when you also have to do the toe no matter what really doesn’t add any additional hassle
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I stand corrected.Quote:
They've only copied the idea for the toes, which isn't that different from CAST, Duke PT, etc.
The real benefit of these DIY versions is the option to also remove the heel for longer tours / expeditions.
Maybe they'll get to it next year?...
From a comment by Blister Reviewer Mark Danielson:
It’s difficult to see in the images above, but the Attack Hybrid 14 MN/PT uses a heel track in addition to its toe track. Its heel track is very, very similar to that of the Attack 14 MN Demo, but it has a different screw pattern, has a shorter range of adjustment for forward pressure (~40 mm instead of ~60 mm), and has a stopper at the front of the track, so that the sliding pieces must enter and exit from the rear.
Although the Hybrid’s sliding brake with riser and locking arms is obviously a brand new part, the sliding heel piece seems identical to that of the Attack 14 MN Demo. And just like the Demo’s heel piece, the Hybrid’s heel piece has that spring-loaded finger tab, which allows the heel piece to be removed and installed easily without any tools – as long as it’s not iced up too much.
The Attack Hybrid 14 MN/PT is *not* designed to be used uphill or downhill with the heel piece removed, but given how easy it is to remove and install, I suspect some tinkerers and do-it-yourselfers out there might try their own modifications to remove the heel piece for the ascent. We’ll see. (414 g per heel piece, 227 g per brake with riser)
Ok so I have used the OG setup created by lindahl for about a season now. Thoughts:
- Icing hasn't been too bad of an issue...sometimes it can be hard to move the tabs to pull the toe or heel off, but the tracks icing hasnt been as bad as I thought it could be. I would still be wary of leaving my skis outside of a hut or whilst camping. Id bring toes and heels inside to avoid freezing up.
- Skinning position doesnt make too much of a difference - depending on the ski. Will be trying with more progressively mounted skis to see how that goes
- Stack height is decent. As in about 1cm higher than Pivots. You may notice it and hate it, especially on wider skis
- You need a decent bit of space in your pack for the bits and pieces, but transitions are fairly efficient
This is a rad concept, and being able to remove the heel of a hybrid binding for the up is where things will go next. For me, I'll keep tinkering and comparing. I'm not sure I need a full alpine binding out of bounds, but also this setup is like a cheat code. 300g per ski on the way up with nothing I dont want for the climb, full safety and power transfer on the way down.
Oh, and my Strive attempt didnt fly. Toe geomoetry etc.
Better news for sure. May be possible to attach separate split board risers like the frankentour bindings. I wonder if the newheel will slide on existing attack2 demo heel tracks
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Blister review of Tyrolia's solution:
https://blisterreview.com/at-binding...uring-bindings
I’m confused. So they just copied your system but kinda missed the whole point? As mentioned, the part that set this system apart was that the up mode was 300g
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According to the article comments the heel peace can slide off easily without tools, so it’s likely you can remove it on the way up still, maybe with a little tinkering. Depends how the brakes and riser setup works/attaches
Yeah, from the pictures it looks like the risers are attached to the binding heel so you couldn’t tour with the heel off but I could be wrong
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Looks like the brakes slide off with the heel piece, so while you can slide the heel off, you need to figure out a separate riser solution, which can be a bit trickier because, unlike my hack, the heel piece track is right where you might want the risers, given that the toe piece is not offset forward.</p>Quote:
According to the article comments the heel peace can slide off easily without tools, so it’s likely you can remove it on the way up still, maybe with a little tinkering. Depends how the brakes and riser setup works/attaches
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Also, you're not <strong>supposed</strong> to tour with the heelpiece off, it's technically unsupported.</p>
On another note, do people have thoughts on using on the Duke PT toe and just demo heel pieces? I was thinking about trying this with Marker Griffon 13 TCX Demos (these: https://www.bobssportschalet.com/pro...&sku_id=380520), but they also make Griffon demos which have the normal Griffon/Jester heels on a track (see https://www.powder7.com/Marker-Griff...-Bindings/sale) and the Duke PT heels are just Squire/Griffon/Jesters with different brakes. I don't know anything about Frankenbinding safety but that seems like it would be exactly the same as a Duke PT on the downhill, potentially with some shimming.From what I can you should just be able to slap the Duke PT brakes on the demo heels? But I can only verify that when I have all that stuff in the same place.
So I know you can use any normal Griffon / Jester heel on the existing Duke PT rail, but I don't know if a demo binding would work on there or if it would need it's own plate mounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by jj111
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I have some brand new griffon demos that I’m looking to get rid of if you go this route
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