The 300g Touring Binding Thread

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

No lose fer sure, but without the bsl adjustment, the HR 2.0 saves you 115g per binding = 0.5 lbs per pair. Not a ton, but certainly not negligible either if you're going light with skis and boots.

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I'm looking forward to a brake plate without adjustment track at about 50gm per in the future, then I think it will be holy grail for light touring with tough but not 'don't fall' skiing.

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Originally Posted by timmaio

I'm looking forward to a brake plate without adjustment track at about 50gm per in the future, then I think it will be holy grail for light touring with tough but not 'don't fall' skiing.

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Why wouldn't you want to ski YFYD terrain on the HR 2.0 or Crest?

BTW, do you work with/for the US-based Hagan Ski Mountaineering in Breck?

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Originally Posted by Summit

Yes but unlike the add-it-on-stomp-pad which is height adjustable to boot contact, the brake pads do not quite sit in contact with my Alien RS heel tread when the ski is decambered to flat... but I think it does with more decambering found in normal pow skiing or carving which should improve energy transfer (and prevents boot heel explosion and pin shearing that some of us remember from the old Dynafit Comforts). It is also worth noting that I went with the very soft ultralight skis with patterned bases skis (Voile Hyper V6 BC 178) so I have above average toe-heel distance change with decambering for which I wanted the 4+4mm over just a 4mm gap on a HR2.0 in order to prevent release.

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I'm about to pull the trigger on some Crests for all the positive qualities discussed in this thread (wish they went to 12 RV, but 10 will be fine), but I was wondering about the brake pad/heel contact. Do you think you could add a little material if your boot doesn't contact? I feel like stomp pads/brake pads with good contact make a huge difference in the skiing feel on pin binders

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When skiing YFYD terrain I am happy to ski on a race binding or currently Helio 180 with a locked toe and no leashes. For non YFYD I want brakes rather than leashes and I don't want to pay the weight penalty for the Crest. I have been skiing the RT on my 'resort'/powder ski with leashes, but when they have released(when I wanted them to) it was not so pleasant with the ski swinging around and hitting me.

I know Mike moderately well and my wife is currently sponsored by them, other than that I have no connection. Why do you ask?

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

No lose fer sure, but without the bsl adjustment, the HR 2.0 saves you 115g per binding = 0.5 lbs per pair. Not a ton, but certainly not negligible either if you're going light with skis and boots.

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Yeah, I'd keep the BSL adjustment (for 40g/pr.) if I go with HRs, 'coz these skis already have two sets of SSL 2.0 holes in them, and I don't know what boots I'll end up with next year.

So now, we're down to 75g/binding difference. If one wanted to further make an apples to apples comparison, I'm guessing that the net tradeoff of replacing brakes for a light (27g) Kevalar leash would net another 30g, so a net difference of maybe 40 g/binding?

I guess I'll toss a coin ;-)

... Thom

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

No lose fer sure, but without the bsl adjustment, the HR 2.0 saves you 115g per binding = 0.5 lbs per pair. Not a ton, but certainly not negligible either if you're going light with skis and boots.

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what are you gona do if you need to change boots or something?

I remember an or something where buddy had the super light race binding with them scarpa boots which used the funny (funny shitty) walk lever attached to the top buckle or SFT

when scarpa recalled all the boots

he was fucked eh

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

what are you gona do if you need to change boots or something?

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remount the heel with plates :wink:

won't the extra elevation give you a nose bleed ?

I go through skis quicker than boots. But yeah, I'd be concerned if I was buying a new pair of boots that I wasn't positive would work out. Or like mall walker says, remount with an adjustment plate.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

won't the extra elevation give you a nose bleed ?

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I’d hit the gym to shave the extra weight so as to compensate for the additional weight... :fm:

Skied my alpinist today inbounds with my regular resort boots (switched soles) on some helio 105’s. Very impressed. Hoping the heel lifters wonts annoy the fuck out of me and I’ll be all good until they explode and I die.

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Originally Posted by mall walker

I’d hit the gym to shave the extra weight so as to compensate for the additional weight... :fm:

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you could just shave your legs

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

I go through skis quicker than boots. But yeah, I'd be concerned if I was buying a new pair of boots that I wasn't positive would work out. Or like mall walker says, remount with an adjustment plate.

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Or just mount with the adjustment plate and don't have to remount? It's 40 grams.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Skied my alpinist today inbounds with my regular resort boots (switched soles) on some helio 105’s. Very impressed. Hoping the heel lifters wonts annoy the fuck out of me and I’ll be all good until they explode and I die.

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yah as much as it pains me to say I've been skiing the Alpinist 12 inbounds doing some groomer laps while waiting for alpine lifts to open so I can tour out and they're solid af. I mean it's just groomers but they feel connected and not old-skool Dynafiddle vague

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

yah as much as it pains me to say I've been skiing the Alpinist 12 inbounds doing some groomer laps while waiting for alpine lifts to open so I can tour out and they're solid af. I mean it's just groomers but they feel connected and not old-skool Dynafiddle vague

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Lee, can you compare the feeling of the Alpinists to something like the Crests, Raiders or RT 2.0s? The Alpinists look great in so many ways but they are Markers, they haven't been out very long and they do have a u-spring, which are all factors that make me a little nervous. I have read the Blister review and some of the Wildsnow posts, but curious to get a little more info. Seen a few Alpinists in the parking lot but haven't talked to anyone who's skiing them (yet.)

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

yah as much as it pains me to say I've been skiing the Alpinist 12 inbounds doing some groomer laps while waiting for alpine lifts to open so I can tour out and they're solid af. I mean it's just groomers but they feel connected and not old-skool Dynafiddle vague

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I am (very) surprised to hear this, but if they somehow manage to get a proven track record... pretty attractive option at that price point imo.

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Originally Posted by cyborg

Lee, can you compare the feeling of the Alpinists to something like the Crests, Raiders or RT 2.0s? The Alpinists look great in so many ways but they are Markers, they haven't been out very long and they do have a u-spring, which are all factors that make me a little nervous. I have read the Blister review and some of the Wildsnow posts, but curious to get a little more info. Seen a few Alpinists in the parking lot but haven't talked to anyone who's skiing them (yet.)

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I haven't tried any of those you mentioned. I'm actually ok with U Springs having had positive experiences with the Salomon MTN over the past 2 seasons so that mental barrier is not a factor. What surprised me is how much better the Alpinist skied downhill vs say a Comfort/Vertical setup (I did some groomers with chopped up deathcookies from sloppy grooming just the other day to compare). I'd even go as far to say that in the smooth snow the Alpinists felt as good as say a Vipec (obv that's heavier). Sorry I can't really give more than subjective impression. There's not the vagueness of the old Tech 1.0 with the heel gap where as soon as you get ski chatter you feel like you'll explode and pre-release so you back off

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Originally Posted by mall walker

I am (very) surprised to hear this, but if they somehow manage to get a proven track record... pretty attractive option at that price point imo.

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I am but 78kgs 160lbs and a small sample size. There aren't many out there. Plus because they're Marker's I am very loathe to do anything but meadowskip touring pow in them. Please keep all that in mind. The toepieces are finicky. Having to go from ski to tour mode and vice-versa by bending down to twist the heel is such a throwback to last century. The brakes are pretty useless. But like I said they ski fine.

The price on these things keep dropping.

I’ve been very happy with my Alpinists, so much so I sold my kingpins and vipecs. Had a few resort days in Japan as well as about 20 BC days and they feel really solid and light. Agree with LL that the vague Dynafit heel feeling is nonexistent.

I have a pair of HR 2.0s and really like them as well. Only have a few days on them so hard to throw up a strong comparison. I did mount without the adjustment plate because I am a little sensitive to stack height. Probably just a psychological issue.

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Originally Posted by STLHD

I’ve been very happy with my Alpinists, so much so I sold my kingpins and vipecs. Had a few resort days in Japan as well as about 20 BC days and they feel really solid and light. Agree with LL that the vague Dynafit heel feeling is nonexistent.

I have a pair of HR 2.0s and really like them as well. Only have a few days on them so hard to throw up a strong comparison. I did mount without the adjustment plate because I am a little sensitive to stack height. Probably just a psychological issue.

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How much better than than classic dynafits (speed turn/vertical) do the alpinists feel on a big skis in soft snow with a big skier?

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Originally Posted by carlh

How much better than than classic dynafits (speed turn/vertical) do the alpinists feel on a big skis in soft snow with a big skier?

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I would rather stick my dick into a bees nest than buy another marker product. At least with the bees i know I'll get stung immediately and then it'll more or less be over.

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

I haven't tried any of those you mentioned. I'm actually ok with U Springs having had positive experiences with the Salomon MTN over the past 2 seasons so that mental barrier is not a factor. What surprised me is how much better the Alpinist skied downhill vs say a Comfort/Vertical setup (I did some groomers with chopped up deathcookies from sloppy grooming just the other day to compare). I'd even go as far to say that in the smooth snow the Alpinists felt as good as say a Vipec (obv that's heavier). Sorry I can't really give more than subjective impression. There's not the vagueness of the old Tech 1.0 with the heel gap where as soon as you get ski chatter you feel like you'll explode and pre-release so you back off




I am but 78kgs 160lbs and a small sample size. There aren't many out there. Plus because they're Marker's I am very loathe to do anything but meadowskip touring pow in them. Please keep all that in mind. The toepieces are finicky. Having to go from ski to tour mode and vice-versa by bending down to twist the heel is such a throwback to last century. The brakes are pretty useless. But like I said they ski fine.

The price on these things keep dropping.

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Thanks! I guess the mental barrier for me with the u-spring comes from the wear and tear aspect, which is easily remedied by vigilance/having an extra set of springs. It shouldn't be that big of a deal, I'm definitely over analyzing here. However, I feel like if there's a better design in a comparable product, I should go with that. Enter the over analysis....

The details are much appreciated. I might wait and see what the internet jury decides on these before I grab a pair, but it's tempting considering they're very close to what I'm currently in the market for....

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Originally Posted by STLHD

I’ve been very happy with my Alpinists, so much so I sold my kingpins and vipecs. Had a few resort days in Japan as well as about 20 BC days and they feel really solid and light. Agree with LL that the vague Dynafit heel feeling is nonexistent.

I have a pair of HR 2.0s and really like them as well. Only have a few days on them so hard to throw up a strong comparison. I did mount without the adjustment plate because I am a little sensitive to stack height. Probably just a psychological issue.

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Good info, thanks for sharing!


Nickel's comment is the shirt version of why I'm nervous... Although I don't have any absolute horror stories first hand, I have found all the Marker products I've used to be underwhelming. They're fine but I always wish I would have bought something else.

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Originally Posted by cyborg

Good info, thanks for sharing!


Nickel's comment is the shirt version of why I'm nervous... Although I don't have any absolute horror stories first hand, I have found all the Marker products I've used to be underwhelming. They're fine but I always wish I would have bought something else.

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I’m with you. But Salomon tech inserts ripped out and kind of ruined a mags life and they fall all over themselves about the shift. Perception I guess.

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Originally Posted by nickel

I would rather stick my dick into a bees nest than buy another marker product. At least with the bees i know I'll get stung immediately and then it'll more or less be over.

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Hahahhaha.

This.

So much this.

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Originally Posted by nickel

I would rather stick my dick into a bees nest than buy another marker product. At least with the bees i know I'll get stung immediately and then it'll more or less be over.

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lol’d loudly at this

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

I’m with you. But Salomon tech inserts ripped out and kind of ruined a mags life and they fall all over themselves about the shift. Perception I guess.

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I thought about this as well - how much good behavior does it take to rehabilitate your reputation ... or ... how short are people's memories.

... Thom

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Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un

I thought about this as well - how much good behavior does it take to rehabilitate your reputation ... or ... how short are people's memories.

... Thom

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Were there numerous failures in the Salomon saga? I only recall hearing about the incident with thin cover.

one failure early in the product life but it was so obviously badly designed that Salomon must have let the mail room kid design the toe fitting

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

one failure early in the product life but it was so obviously badly designed that Salomon must have let the mail room kid design the toe fitting

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This. Tech fitting was held in by glue. Completely unsafe for any application.

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Originally Posted by Shorty_J

Were there numerous failures in the Salomon saga? I only recall hearing about the incident with thin cover.

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They were able to recall the limited product they had out and eliminate it from retail channels.

What is this so called "Salomon saga"? I must have missed the memo. Did they have something shit the bed recently?

Years ago a mag got seriously mangled due to inept design on Salomon's initial entry into the tech boot market. It was not so much a one off error, but a flaw in design that shouldn't have made it past rev1.

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Originally Posted by Lord Thomas

What is this so called "Salomon saga"? I must have missed the memo. Did they have something shit the bed recently?

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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...omon%20failure

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Originally Posted by Lord Thomas

What is this so called "Salomon saga"? I must have missed the memo. Did they have something shit the bed recently?

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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/.../t-191256.html

Think they paid out to thincover. A simply dangerous design.

there are millions of tech toe fittings out there that work fine but a pict of the Salomon toe fitting showed that it was missing a ridge of solid metal that a dynafit toe fitting would usually have and there were a couple of big holes drilled towards the toe sockets that significantly weakened the structure ... bad engineering if any

A real good reason to breathe a sigh of relief if your boots use real dynafit fittings

https://www.wildsnow.com/2888/salomo...tings-failure/

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Originally Posted by LeeLau

I haven't tried any of those you mentioned. I'm actually ok with U Springs having had positive experiences with the Salomon MTN over the past 2 seasons so that mental barrier is not a factor. What surprised me is how much better the Alpinist skied downhill vs say a Comfort/Vertical setup (I did some groomers with chopped up deathcookies from sloppy grooming just the other day to compare). I'd even go as far to say that in the smooth snow the Alpinists felt as good as say a Vipec (obv that's heavier). Sorry I can't really give more than subjective impression. There's not the vagueness of the old Tech 1.0 with the heel gap where as soon as you get ski chatter you feel like you'll explode and pre-release so you back off

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@Lee would you say the Alpinists ski noticeably better than the MTN's? Or just compared to the older Dynafit's?

IMO the risers seems like the biggest deterrent to them for me.

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Originally Posted by EricB

@Lee would you say the Alpinists ski noticeably better than the MTN's? Or just compared to the older Dynafit's?

IMO the risers seems like the biggest deterrent to them for me.

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Blister review with them skiing them back to back inbounds puts them at exceptionally similar with the slightest of edge in smoothness to to the alpinist.

Alpinist can be had cheap from Europe which is why I got a pair. MTN now cheap from PTEX1.

I’m digging the alpinist riser heights but rotating the heel sucks.

Friend of mine got “markered”

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Day 1 the riser broke off. Day 2, one pull string ripped off, day 3 the other pull string ripped off. I think the strings are for the brake release/retention?