College costs

I would like to point out that the CC route worked out for Aaron Rogers. (Although it's not clear what actual education he got at Cal.)

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Originally Posted by old goat

I would like to point out that the CC route worked out for Aaron Rogers. (Although it's not clear what actual education he got at Cal.)

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Its fairly common for late bloomers to develop at a JC/CC and either get drafted or move on to a top D1 program in Baseball. Similarly, there are lots of kids with shit homelives that do crappy in high school, but when they move out are able to get it together and use the local CC/JC to springboard into a good University... IDK if its still the case but in CA a certain GPA at the local CC used to garauntee you admission into a number of top UC schools.

Kids, especially males, have VASTLY different levels of physical and mental maturation in the 16-18yr old age range, and so using that age range to sort them leads to many mistakes in bypassing potential that hasnt yet been realized. Things start evening out quite a bit more at the 18-20yr range and so that 2yrs of CC/JC after high school can be really beneficial.

4 year college is less about education and more about being a bridge to adulthood for those of us in the middle and upper classes who didn't learn adulting in our first 18 years. The kind of lessons a kid that grows up on a farm, for example, doesn't need.

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Originally Posted by old goat

4 year college is less about education and more about being a bridge to adulthood for those of us in the middle and upper classes who didn't learn adulting in our first 18 years. The kind of lessons a kid that grows up on a farm, for example, doesn't need.

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I'm 100% on board with the "college is about improving you as a person/adult, not preparing you for a specific job" train. It is still not for everyone, but it has a lot of value even if you are aimless and don't have some specific career-motivated plan. Actually maybe it has even MORE value if you are aimless...majority of students at my undergrad do NOT end up with the major they thought they were going to do. Most (myself included) find something they like more that they just hadn't even conceptualized as dumb high school kids.

As lifespans get longer and the world gets more complex, finishing 12th grade isn't enough for the long haul and even if you plan to work a job that doesn't need college, you still have to *interact* with the rest of the world. One of my best friends growing up is now an arborist with a completely non-tree/nature related degree...don't think he regrets the choice at all.

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Originally Posted by KQ

In 1978, the U.S. federal minimum wage was $2.65 per hour; a student working 40 hours a week for 13 weeks over the summer would earn $1,378, enough to cover the average in-state tuition at a public four-year university, which was $1,369 for the 1978-79 school year, according to National Center for Education Statistics data.

The claim aligns with historical economic conditions when tuition costs were lower relative to wages; PolitiFact rated a similar statement “Mostly True,” noting that while in-state tuition was affordable, out-of-state rates often exceeded a summer’s minimum-wage earnings.

By 2020, college costs had surged, with tuition, fees, and room and board rising 169% since 1980, per Georgetown University’s Center on Education and the Workforce, making it nearly impossible for a minimum-wage summer job to cover a year’s tuition today.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...383a5dfc93.jpg

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Yeah, but the dorms are WAY nicer now and we have pristine athletic facilities (even at schools that aren't making any money off sports).

That's totally worth the explosion in college costs!!!

My sons were only 14 months apart in age so they jumped thru all the same hoops in the younger years, the younger one did an engineering program entirely on scholarship/ bursary/ Coop so it cost zero $ while the older one who actualy got better marks in primary school did a sponsored high end red seal trade, both smarter than their parents, they were both making the same $ at least in the first 10 yrs one on the keyboard and one on the wrenches both doing well both own RE all the usual stuff

But I think it changes I don't think that ^^ would be same today and i know I could not have got where i am without higher education

retired ski bro told me his Tuition was 1700 a year thru med school which definalty does not happen now