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192 Standard ProTest for soft
190 Bibby Tour for variable
Both will be mounted with shifts and driven by Salomon MTN Labs. No resort time most likely, unless I travel with them.
Will try to find a cheap pair of lightweight bindings and mount up my dads 178 Dstar Cham 87s when he finds a new daily driver. They are pretty light but stable enough. I dont really like how they ski so much, buts its not bad in any sense, and they “work” in pretty much any condition.
^^nice
and touring skis + pure tech bindings are also a good idea
thank you for supporting the northern nevada touring ski industry... among the finest in the nation imho
I have a question that doesn’t deserve its own thread... so here it goes:
I have an old Carbon Lhasa 191 112mm waist with dynafits that I use as my 1 ski touring quiver.
I’d like to add a skinnier ski, the Lhasa is overkill for a lot of my touring days.
Would you go with an 85, 95, or 108 class touring ski in that slot?
Assuming that the Lhasa’s will die in a season or two, I’ll replace them with a 116 class touring ski. So the skinnier ski will need to complement that...
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where are you again? I would rather go 95-100mm. Get them long enough and you will also have some good turns at higher speed if it gets a bit deeper but not 112mm worthy.
Even for rather alpinism focused objectives I never felt 90mm would be to wide and I think I would say the same with a 95 ski -> no need to go 85mm.
108 so seems quite close to what you have.
Where do you ski and what sort of lines do you ski?
Given you're doing everything with Lhasas I would guess you're not trying to do 7K foot days on spring volcanos?
In which case, I think a 95mm ski is a pretty nice compliment to the Lhasa.
But maybe that is because that is the basis of my current touring quiver: Praxis Yet (94mm) paired with a 186 Lhasa. (Plus the 106 freeride rock ski, and an in-shipping Down Countdown 104L).
95 to complement 115. Narrow enough to edge well both skinning and skiing firm, wide enough to float a little in mature corn or spring squall styro-pow.
108 if it were the one-trick. I've made a season cycle with a 109 BMT... and it's a pretty high-performing "just adequate". Loses points for being barely uncomfortably wide on firm, and for being not quite as fun as fatties in fresh. So I think I'm splitting back to two sets soon.
Last winter I tried having two skis, 98 (187 Blizzard Kabookie) and 119 (193 Volkl Shiro). Neither are touring skis, both are slightly lighter inbounds skis, and I ended up not touring much because I was dragging around heavy skis.
This winter I’m going to try the 185 Zero G 95 and I’m keeping an eye out for a lighter 190cm touring pow ski. I’ve got a pair of 193 Blizzard Scouts that we’re my one ski quiver for touring, but I’d prefer something a bit lighter and wider.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
^^192 0G 108?
Frankly, the 185 0G 95 seems like a huge step from the Kabookie and Shiro. I might recommend you try to find something slightly heavier with slightly more rocker, if you haven't already purchased the zeroG 95 ... unless you're pretty sure you'll be stoked on a ski that light and stiff with minimal tip rocker. You complained about ON3Ps being "pingy" in a different thread, this will take that to a totally different level. Nothing does pingy like very stiff, very light, carbon skis.
Bindings are a great way to save weight, so I'd recommend something under 200g per ski (SSL 2.0, BD Helio 145, etc). What boots?
Given your ski preferences I think you'd jive with a Vwerks Katana. I am loving them for almost everything. I have a zeroG 95 for the true long days, but If I were fitter I could do with just the katanas.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
The crux is finding them for a reasonable price.
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Originally Posted by doebedoe
I ski in the PNW. Biggest days last season were Rainier 5k days. I’d like to hit more volcanoes this year, hence the question. Thinking 0G 95 or similar....Quote:
Originally Posted by LeoK
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what doebedoe and norseman said, I think ~95 is your zone. 0G95 seems like a great option
Skibrd, check out the Sally Mtn Explore 95 too. 200g more than ZeroG, but skis much less carbony/lightweight.
95/115 is a nice combo. Or 95 (hard), 105 (mixed), 128 (POWtown) if you wanna go full gear slut.
I skied 0G 95 for one day last winter. It was actually quite good on hard variable snow. But it does need to be driven on the edge. Either carving turns or quick hard pushed short turns. No sliding around. This has been the thing with some other ul-skis too. You will need all that saved energy from up, to really drive skis on the way down [emoji16]Quote:
Originally Posted by nickwm21
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I’ve a pair of TLT speeds and Radicals, so the weight is saved there. I was amazed at how much lighter they are then Kingpin 13s. I’m excited to tour on the lighter bindings, but tentative about skiing on them.
Boots will be Lange XT Freetours with Intuition proTour liners. I tried TLT6Ps and Atomic Backlands Carbons and my skiing style, even adjusted for the backcountry, doesn’t really mesh with ultra light boots. I’m fine taking a weight penalty for better skiing boots.
I skied the 0G 108 (paired with Kingpin 13s and TLT6PS) a few years back and didn’t quite mesh with it. I don’t think I detuned the edges enough. The tips would get really locked and not release. They were supposed to be an upgrade from the 193 Blizzard Scouts, but the Scouts out preformed the 0G 108s everywhere.
I didn’t think about the carbon pingy factor of the 0G 95s, thanks for bringing that up Auvgeek! I already own the 0G 95s, so I’ll probably take them out a few times to see if I like them. Do you guys think those QST 99s would be a better option? It’s a bigger ski, longer and wider, with more rocker, but 500g heavier.
I’ve been keeping my eye out for a pair of VWerk Katanas for a while now, but as you said Smooth Operator, I can never seem to find a pair at the right price. I lost a few pair on eBay that skyrocketed in the last 5 min. If I make a trip to SLC I’ll check out the used gear stores, we don’t have the biggest selection of used skis in Jackson.
If you're considering the 99mm QST, also look at the V-Werks Mantra.
Bumping up against the firm snow comfort threshold, imho.
Ill definitely take a look!Quote:
Originally Posted by Norseman
The katana was my one ski for three years, skis really well, but it's a chore skinning on steep frozen corn.Quote:
Originally Posted by smooth operator
So i also got a Salomon mtn explore, good ski, but not as good as the katanas
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The mtn explore is 95Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
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And btw, the salomon is a much better ski than the zg 95. You can slide it, jump it, carve, very intuitive ski.
Just not as good as the katana, turn initiation is a little vague, but i also have only 2 days on them.
Lange freetour 130 and Salomon mtn bindings.
All good
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I much prefer the Zero G to the Salomon Mtn. Lighter, more precise, more powerful even if it doesn't feel as nice when skied lazily.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
I also didn't love the QST 99. It's a skinny powder ski. Tips are too wide and soft. But I'm a big fan of the Zero G 108, which skibird didn't like, and I would never tour in a boot as heavy as those Langes, so my opinion might be best ignored.
^ all those Sallys have huuuge tips imo. the 88 is vaguely normal, but even the 95 is a powder ski shape I think. haven’t skied em tho.
I'm not a fan of wide tips, but the 95 does not seem overly wideQuote:
Originally Posted by mall walker
I never felt it skiing either, and one of my runs was on sw chutes on my Adams, smooth like a groomer, and i would've felt something.
Still maybe the slight hesitation on top of the turn of due to this, it maybe i didn't detune them.
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I have QST 99 188cm mounted with Atk Freerider 14 2.0 as my daily driver(I don't have lifts near, but do have big mountains). Skied last season about 40 days on them. Really like that ski. Wide tip with shit load of sidecut worried me first but it ended up being most hook free ski I have ever skied. It's stable on hard wind fuck*d snow, which we have often have up here. I don't know what salomon did with that ski, but does kick ass in most condiditions. Only place where it didn't work, was bottomles soft snow. It's too stiff and narrow for me(I'm 105kg in boxers) when there's no support from base. Mounted -1cm, which makes big difference how it skis! For me it was first "light" ski that ski well. Other skis I have liked and used that much in the past; Head A-star, Atomic Automatic 117 193cm, head monster 103 183cm, Salomon X-wing lab.Quote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
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Sounds like the 0G 95 is a more of a Mountaineering ski and the QST 99 is more of a pow touring ski.
I think I’ll stick with the 0G for now and keep an eye out for a pair of VWerk Katanas
Same store that had those Shiros, had a brand new Vwerks Katana(white model) on the rack, brand new. Can't recall $, but it was in the 750ish range if I'm remembering correctlyQuote:
Originally Posted by skibrd
Any chance you remember the length?Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Since it's 20'C and sunny figured this would be a good distraction for today. Here is my touring quiver.Attachment 251724
Yeah, I was referring to the QST's, not the mtn 95's. 95's are good skis, and I can see why one would choose them over Zero G 95's (smoother ride, less high strung). But the QST 99's have 138mm tips! And they are a good bit softer than the rest of the ski. This seems to work for some folks but always bugs the shit out of me. I think its a bit like how some people are bothered by lots of tip taper (which suits me just fine). Those wide softish tips aren't an issue with 2D snow or powder, but once things get funky... ugh... they start folding and deflecting unexpectedly. That's just about my least favorite feeling from a ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by rod9301
Zero G 108's have narrower tips than QST 99's (despite being nearly a cm wider) and a more consistent flex tip to tail. QST's are way more fun in powder than Zero G 108's, and more fun on low angle corn too. But if I'm just lapping powder I'll bring something fat. And if I'm skiing corn it's probably steeper, maybe a partially shaded couloir with different types of snow from turn to turn, or a runnel, and there I value predictability above all else.
I know some of you get shit for free or discounted, swissphil is a constant tinkerer with gear, etc. etc. but overall I had no idea so many people have so many BC skis. I don't know anyone in real life with quivers like you guys. I have to say having a huge touring quiver is kind of bat-shit insane consumerism to me. 1 is fine, 2 is completely reasonable, beyond that learn to adjust yer 2 skis to current conditions, it's not that hard, yer in the BC where it's usually soft and easy. I'm kind of in shock by this thread, ha. Learn something every day I guess. Flame away!
And Zero G 108 rip, but you have to ski it. Def not for a BC noodler who wants easy turns and skis in the backseat. I actually found the ski difficult on steep corn, it is stiff with no snow to slide it around, I would preferred a bit of flex with the short turns I was making. Then I stopped being lazy and had some fun, but I have to admit a softer ski would have been the ticket for slow and carvy terrain.
Have 17.75 pairs of skis in the basement...Dunno about the other guys but i'm pretty good at poaching cheap old skis from second hand stores, delammed and skied out war veterans from work, junkers on the side of the curb with the 'free' sign slung around em and admittedly have scored a few awesome deals on used skis that were in good shape...none of em are in good shape any longer; not after they met my shop and toolz...Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
Being a contrarskian, I kinda prefer older used skis anyway...really don't like the feel of new skis...I like em soft and broken in like a seasoned baseball glove...don't like any rebound; I prefer to be the master and delicately massage the mountain.
Reduce buying new shit, reuse, reskiycle.
huh - so people only tour in perfect snow? Way to go generalizing your use to also be every body else'. A multiple ski touring quiver is no more or less consumerism than any larger quivers, especially if the owner prefers to go touring to resort riding.Quote:
Originally Posted by muted
Personally i think if one has the means and see a varied full spectrum season a three ski quiver is optimal (to minimize the chance of "F#$$ i should've picked..." scenarios):
1) 80-100mm light(er) weight short(ish) tour ski to go on long treks on
2) 90-115mm daily driver ski - choose your width/poison and go with the flow
3) > 115mm pow slayer that is light enough that touring for longer distances in pow is something feasable
( 4) ski race ski(s) if that is something you are into, and then the ski is the limit like all racers for number of skis - i am not a racer )
Then again pretty much all my skis will be touring optional (shifts or tectons) this season because fomo. The ability to carry some skins in the backpack and then just go off on a whim is super nice imo, but then the resorts and terrain i usually ski cater very well to that kind of impromptu missions. YMMV as they say.
3 is about right for me imo.
One firm/mixed snow ski that is pretty light but not too light that you waste energy trying to keep it from misbehaving. 1500-1700g
One superlight skinnier powder ski to knock out as many laps as possible. Quantity over quality. 1200-1400g
One superfat powder ski to get rowdy in deep powder. Basically make the laps as fun as possible. Quality over quantity. Can double as a big resort day and sidecountry ski. 1800-2000g
For resort, a firm snow specialty under 100mm and a 105+ daily driver thats good on normal powder days and for several days after. And then the same superfat powder ski used above, or a resort-dedicated one.
Pretty much:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
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I don't actually tour on the Nordicas. Just dropped some mismatched Duke/Barons into some old holes for convenience sake. I give myself bonus point for have resort and touring models of two different skis. Might go 3 for 3 by if the Nordicas die this year by replacing them with Brahmas.
2.5 is good for me for a touring quiver. Two with a version of pin bindings and one with P18s with CAST plates. I’ve been just fine with one dedicated touring ski and one with CAST.
One narrow ~95-100mm for long days going high up and trying to keep up with speedy people - 185 0G 95 for now
One dedicated pow touring ski for just skiing powder - 193 Blizzard Scout currently but always keeping an eye open for something new
And the .5 is my resort sidecountry skis. Usually this is a 115-120mm ski that I’ve got CAST plates on. I don’t tour off the village much, but for the 3-5 times a season I do, it’s nice to have. Probably going to be my +10 Praxis Freerides this winter, was Shiros or Gunsmokes in the past
Side note, the 193 Gunsmokes were seriously under rated as a touring ski.
I'm of the mindset that "as many as I can afford" is the right amount of skis in a touring quiver
Currently at 3:
- 95mm. Anytime I know it's not going to be deep. Long days.
- 104mm. Rock touring ski. Something I can ski early season without being concerned about minor base damage.
- 112mm. Pow ski. Binders from rock ski swap onto this once we've got a solid base.
The question is...where the hell does the Down 104L fit into all this that I just ordered. thinking it may replace/demote the 95.
Currently 171 Down YW89 for low-tide Spring conditions, 178 0G95 for good Spring snow, and 186 Helio 116 for pow. Would like something ~180cm 105-108 that's versatile, for when you're not sure what to expect.
Are those GPOs in the middle?Quote:
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UL 182's in the middle, MAP 187's on the right.Quote:
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186 G3 synapse with solly mtn - now early-season rock skis / loaner skis
186 volkl BMT 109- to get either Salomon mtn's or Shifts or Tectons
Almost want to sell them to get new Moment Meridian tour, but these will be more versatile - I just use one ski for everything, touring anyway, Resort not so much, but I do have that down to three pairs this year from like 11 or 12 so that's nice - Lupo carbon ti's , new maestrale rs2 but too big so getting new tecnica tour pro or whatever the hell the new lightweight ones are called
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