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Will a 186 Billy Goat tour hold up as part of a two ski quiver ski for resort pow/cut up and trees for a 175# non-hucker? Assume other pair of skis will handle hard pack and crud.
FWIW, had a pair of 191 Caylors and liked them, but found them a little big. Not too stiff but too big. Had a pair of 186 Sickles and wanted more float. Sickles were not too soft. Looking for softish med stiff 186-ish ski.
Sure. In cut up snow and at speed the stock 186cm BG is going to be better, but the tour takes most of that fine and it a bit easier in powder and trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by 54-46
Grizzlycorn Wren 112s. Mmmm. Who wants to spancer me?
I learned my Canada in grammar school and wtf is Nunavut?Quote:
Originally Posted by canwilf
Please stop embarrassing all other Americans on this board.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Northern Territories?
Oh, Google says yes. We learn that as 1 big thing.
Dear god. Please just stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
^^+1. Embarrassment is right.
FWIW, if anybody is looking for a stiffer, damper version of any of the RES skis, I think the woodgrain topsheet for an extra $100 is a good deal (if you're already going to pay retail). The woodgrain adds stiffness and makes for an amazing, damp feel (not to mention it looks phenomenal and might even add durability...?). I estimated a 20%+ increase in stiffness over stock in the BGs. I think it's probably a little much for a jib-oriented ski, but I think it's perfect on the BG. The woodgrain makes a very even, round, stout flex in the long shovel, which I think pairs really well with the RES tip and mount point. Sure, you could stiffen them up in other ways (extra carbon, etc), but I really love the way the woodgrain BGs feel. I'm sure Scott or someone else can chime in on how other approaches would differ in feel, but I don't have any experience with them.
That said, I also ordered a pair of Jeffreys with the woodgrain in the hopes of getting a "playful charger" with the emphasis on charger. Frankly, I didn't think the woodgrain was the best choice for that design. I only have two days on them, so I definitely need more time on snow before saying anything definitive, but it seems like maybe the woodgrain was working against the design of the ski.
Just my unsolicited $0.02. I have no affiliation with ON3P, and I paid retail for both pairs of woodgrain skis (ouch!). The BGs were worth every cent. As of this writing, the Jeffreys were not, despite ON3P pulling out all the stops to make them for me before the end of my season. But I need to spend more time on them—and stop trying to ski them like a BG—before I write them off.
I ordered the Steeple 102 with a woodgrain topsheet.
Here's what ON3P had to say when I asked them about weight and stiffness for the woodgrain option:
"The veneer is slightly lighter, and will stiffen the ski up slightly vs the stock plastic topsheet."
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oh come off it. It's the fucking Northwest Territories. It's like not pointing to exactly the right spot for Kandahar on a map. Or Barrow, AK.
Are there rocker pictures and/or ski reviews of the Wren 112 in a 186, possibly someone back in the hundreds of posts in this thread?
It's perfect. Just buy them.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Just saw your review. Thanks, dude. Sounds like a perfect everyday ski for a heavier skier who likes trees and skis a lot of variable around western MT.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...27#post4227327Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
That's what I meant.
SO what you are saying is you already bought some as this last post was from 2 weeks ago? :)
So I'm pretty sure that I want to get the 114 Jeffrey's, but I'm not quite sure on size. I'm 5'11 160# and a pretty strong skier (although I did just tear my acl). These would be a 1 ski quiver for me, and I don't ski park but I enjoy everything else. Any thoughts between the 181 and 186?
ACLs get better. Since you don't ski park, and likely won't prefer less swing weight, go 186. About your size and also a strong skier and I can't imagine being on something as short as a 181 unless I was touring.
Some very sexy Wren 102's arrived today, way earlier than expected. I love the base color this year. The snow cannot come soon enough.
Pics of 102's please.
Wrens like to fly together ;)
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Left to Right: 09/10 191, 11/12 191, 13/14 186 Wren 102
I think 09/10's need a new home.
Damn sexy...congrats on the new babies!
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Originally Posted by unpossible
Unpossible just gave you some :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stowelen
Nice. Your middle set has the newer bases. Mine have the older bases.Quote:
Originally Posted by unpossible
After rereading this thread, me thinks a pair of Grizzlycorn Steeple 112s in 184 would slot nicely into the backcountry and touring quiver. Stoked!
You are on a tear - building one hell of a quiver... The Steeple intrigues the shit out of me and really eyeing the wren 102... Still have the orig 191 Wren and still loving it... Now if Scott decides to build a 191 114 Jeffrey count me in with Grizzly top sheet...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig
It is really an affliction. So bad... But really, it's a helluva lot cheaper that hookers & blow and it pales in comparison to my motorcycles. Besides, once one builds out a respectable alpine quiver, the only logical next step is the AT quiver, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
Looks like 191cm Jib skis (Kartel 98, Kartel 106, Jeffrey 114) will happen next year. I don't think we will sell many of them, but we have had a small group of people asking for them for a couple of years now, so looks like we will finally be set to add them next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Undertow
I really want/need to try a pair of 181 Kartel 98's this season. I think they may fit rather nicely in the quiver.
Mine have the older bases.http://guide.kencomputer.com/4.jpg
You will be able to try them soon...I will be in touch.Quote:
Originally Posted by MJbumper1121
best news i've received all day!!
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Originally Posted by PowTron
That's awesome. Beautiful.Quote:
Originally Posted by unpossible
Please tell me the rocker/camber line is the same on the 112.
It's the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
This man is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by adrenalated
Is it weird that I wan to grab my ON3Ps, brining them in to my office and stare at them until I can ski them?
I think not.
as long as you are not ditching the woman sleeping with you to put these in bed it's definitely not weirdQuote:
Originally Posted by Bobcat Sig
I don't why I waited so long on BG. Well maybe I was was waiting to get the latest shape which is so quick in the trees. Floats good and stable on groomers. Will mount at line this time and should solve the minor tip wobble I had at -1. Keep it going
What length are you on? They have their mount points freaking nailed. I experimented allot with demo bindings. Ended up so close to the line it was crazy. Have some 191 BG. Just won some 186. Excited to compare.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
^^^^ I have 186. It's a tree killer