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The suggested mounting point on the ski is what hoji uses on 278mm boot. I'm 287mm and like the skis back from his point so mount #1 was at this line. That's 4cm head of where the 195hoji I have is. So went back a bunch. Skis fine in 5+cm fresh. Fine railing on edge. End of a pivoted turn, I usually skid out the turn by moving my heel out (toe stays) the same way you release on a bike shoe. and this is what's fucking with me. If I pivot by toe onward seems way better.
Sure - why not? Ski porn is always nice :) BTW: Rens for comparisonQuote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
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190cm length available next year!
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23/30 radius.
Came here to ask that, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
yes, might like that more
This ski seems to have dropped off the radar lately. Anyone have any reviews after a season on them?
I almost bought a pair last year as my touring ski. But in the end I thought it was little heavy for that purpose. Ended up with a lightly used pair of dps 99 pures - the best touring ski, ever, imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by shafty85
my last year Hojis are for sale. mounted 1/5 times (re-used some holes) for small adrenalines. $400 US/$500CND
Has anyone skied the 15/16 version?
Surprisingly few reviews on these skis
Couldn't agree more about the lack of information/reviews available out there - especially given the hype when it came out (what was it, only 2 years ago now?)
are 14/15 and 15/16 the same ski? other then cosmetic?
Looks like minor changes. Sidewalls are what I can find.
mntlion... Didn't you have a pair of last year's?
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Originally Posted by mntlion
yes, you want to buy them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Live2play
Sounds like the Raven has now gone to mostly flat camber? No more full reverse camber on it. Would love to see that happen to the Devestator (and for them to introduce a 188-190 version!).
They looked pretty flat last year... Even flatter this year?
Just going by the website. They're now saying flat camber instead of reverse camber.
Does it still say reflect tech? ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Yeah - they still mate the sidecut to the rockered sections.
so, according to reflect technology, flat camber = zero rocker = no sidecut. Funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Their description of reflectech doesn't specify what they do when there is no rocker, just when there is rocker. I think they just continue the same sidecut from the rockered sections. I doubt its zero sidecut.Quote:
Originally Posted by verbier61
It's "rocker matching the sidecut", and normally shown with the ren held at 90 degrees.
It's all marketing anyway.
Totally agree on marketing. I can't imagine it has any performance advantage.
In its first year, there was variations in the amount of rocker until they 'refined' or retooled the manufacturing process. Wonder if this is what is going on this year.
so, using just a grain of salt, if the camber is flat and there is some sidecut - do y remember goode str8? maybe you were not born yet :-) - there is no more reflect tech, which used to be (or maybe still is, who knows...) Hoji's little trick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Well I picked up some of this years in a 190. So far it's great, though I only have a couple of days on them. A renegade on a diet. Bit of a revelation skinning around on a narrower ski again. I heavily detuned the tip and tail as per usual, initially they felt quite hooky. This has restored the loose slarvability found in the Renegade.
If you guys want, there's a cool review of the Raven by the italian mag "Skialper", Buyer's Guide edition. It's available in english, digital format.
http://mulatero.it/prodotto/buyersguide2017/
I've had the OG 10/11 Renegade as my one and only touring set up since 2011. Ive been walkin' all over the place with original Dukes, wall to wall BD Ascension skins and Rossi B-Squad alpine boots because I love that surfy fast Renegade feel and was unwilling to give it up.
I just picked up a pair of OG Ravens. And I have to say, even on the limited amount of real skiing I've had this year, I think I'll like this ski. But am a bit worried it wont have the same surfy fast feeling, it actually feels more hooky. Not a la my original S7s but definitely a bit hooky. I don't know if I'm just projecting my previous knowledge from this thread onto my new skis or what.
I know mtnln got rid of his original Ravens. Did anyone else stick it out and figure out how to ski these new ones the same way as the Ravens?
I have a few days on my Ravens. They ski similarly. I have heavily detuned them to keep them loose.Quote:
Originally Posted by monkeywrenchMoose
I just got a pair of the new Ravens and after three day is was unlucky and skid across some rocks that heavily detuned my edges under my foot/heel area. They tried to tune them up at the ski shop but one ski will forever be dull on one side. 20 years of skiing and the first time I buy hand made skies it happens, F@@@@!Quote:
Originally Posted by JimLad
My question is, should I be super annoyed, or does this not affect the Ravens at all since you want dull edges for this ski anyway?
sell them, they are dead, (PM me)Quote:
Originally Posted by N3vrast
get them tuned, use as outside edge, you are fine
Hehe, we`ll see how annoyed I am after my Easter Bonus ;)
Thats what I did, but since this is my first fully rockered ski I was wondering how sharp you want/need the edges for this ski. Is this going to be a performance dropping "accident", or just a F`in annoying one?
After my time in The US of A i realized that rock skiing is quite a normal occurance, so I was hoping for some hard earned advice.
Keep them sharp underfoot but I round the edges tip and tail to a little inside the contact points
Didn't realize there was an 8 page thread dedicated to the Raven..., so I'll cross-post here:
Anyone get this year's Raven out? I'm mostly interested in how the ski deals with hardpack, windfunk, icy steeps, etc.
The Raven would fill the slot for a hard snow, spring steeps, volcano, multi-day type ski and will accompany a pow touring rig.
Or...if Blister would publish a real review, and not "I liked this ski", then... hint hint Lindahl
Just picked up some 190's of the latest version.
Where should I mount these?
recommended is 89cm from tail.
I'm a big dude and ski Hojis and Renegades at -1cm or -2cm from the recommended 92cm on each. I've never felt too far back.
Kingpins are going on these.
I'm 6'6' 265.
Hoping to ditch the hojis and have just these and the Renegades (plus Devastators for mobbing strictly inbounds).
I'm on the 184 cm Ravens from this season. You are a much bigger dude, I'm 5'9" and 150 lbs, so your experience on the 190 cm may be different.
Of note, the 2017 Raven rocker profile is almost exactly the same as this years Hojis. More tip splay on the Ravens than I expected.
I mounted -1 cm from rec on the Ravens. That matches up pretty well with my 184 Devastators also mounted -1cm from rec.
I only have a few days on the Ravens so far, mostly skinning the resort at night. I've been impressed with their stability at speed on refrozen resort groomers so far. Impressive damping for a 1800 gm ski. Paired with Kingpin 13 and Freetour XT 130 LV.
Going to BC next week, should get a few days of real touring in with them up there.
Wished I had my renegades at times yesterday, but that was with 40-50cm fresh. As long as you can point them and get speed they are fine but I submarined at times trying to maneuver at slow speeds. Still super impressed with their abilities in all but the deepest snow (and even then they were terrific)
Hoji gave some input on mounting points here: http://mtnguiding.com/media/2017/1/4...adesravens-tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
I'm 6' 200, all beef, and mounted on 88 cms from tail. I ski the 196 rens at rec, though.
Woah. Sweet find. Thanks bud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebornstein