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I just don't want that much length in a ski I'm going to hike in a lot (it would probably see 80 day of skinning a season). Shorter = more of an ascent tool I can work terrain with, easier to manage, less weight. Kind of like narrower v.s. the Protest. That is the ascent concern.
Down: Hypothetical q, what would ski shorter, a 187 W112 or the Woo2?
I have 177 Protests in the mail. Until I get them wired, I'm not jumping at a 187 Woo2.
[same size as you, but probably far tougher and meaner]
Not buying little 177 and 180 twiddle sticks and bitching about hiking you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
It'll take you about 5 seconds to get those protests wired. You'll like them. Almost everyone does.
Don't know about the wailers, I haven't skied them. They do seem to have a more aggressive rocker and definitely a shorter turn radius. So if I had to guess I'd say they'd probably ski shorter. You know K2 has a pretty sweet line of kids and women's skis right?
FU!Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
At least I skied pow all season (except for March, it kinda sucked).
Well I skied what pow becomes all season.........when it's blown to one side.......then blown to the other.......then sun baked.......then rained on........then feathered up.........then blown to the other side again.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
No different really. All the same stuff. In that it was literally the same stuff all season.
Well, as I posted in the 2013 ski thread, I am picking up a pair of the 2014 Woo 2.0 to replace Stokes (which I am not too Stoked on). Touring quiver will then be (i) 178 Dynafit Mustagh for multi-day spring tours, (ii) 182 Yetis for all around day trips not involving powder and (iii) 187 Woo 2.0 for pow days.
I will never ski these at the resort (have Protests for that) and only in pow. As a result, do I still need to de-tune the hell out of the tips and tails? I assume as much, but just wanted to check. Sounds like mounting rec is on the line.
Man - something light (I come from Dynafit skis for touring) that skis like the Protest slarvy sounds SO AWESOME for Tahoe snow.
Assuming I have to detune a ton, what is the best way? I won't get these until likely next fall, at which point I can just ask someone in Tahoe to help me or something (as I am an idiot when it comes to ski tunning). KW - hell, maybe I can toss you a 6-pack to help me out!
Don't even fuck with tuning, just go ski them when you get them.
If we'd had a normal winter I wouldn't have even thought about it.
UCL, I have a gumi stone (and a file) you can use to detune them a bit when you get them. I used to detune new skis and boards all the time when I worked in a shop. Glad you decided to spring for them.
I couldn't locate the review last week when I saw your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
Met the man, or the kid-woo, I should say, during my visit to tahoe this past weekend...
Thought I would post up a link to the review now that I've found it:
http://blistergearreview.com/gear-re...is-wootest-2-0
I can't apologize enough for making you run into AKbruin shirtless. Had I known I would have certainly saved you from that horror.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
You never know what you might encounter in the bc...
i keep going back to these. i think it'd be a great daily driver midwinter tourer (not to be confused with the am category). any chance Keith would be making shorter version (re; beer belly/old/stumpleg on switchbacks/bla bla). doubt it would happen before my code would expire but on the off chance before i pass it along...........177-180 carbon would be $$$. thanks in advance regardless
Actually, I believe I was pantsless at the time. Did hoarhey blush and sort of stare at the ground when he told you? If so, that was him reflecting on his immeasurable sense of inadequacy. That, or a fear of looking directly into his interlocutor's untamed fu manchu. :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Kidwoo won't allow it to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
I spoke with Keith about a month ago, maybe more...Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
I asked him about a narrower protest (177 or 182 version of the narrower 163 cm protest, which has a 118 mm waist), or a shorter wootest...
He said the shorter wootest was more likely.
Not sure where that leaves us.
(I hope that dropping the 196 wootest might make way for a shorter model)...
I just remember seeing the praxis bc's from the other side of the car when we parked, and thinking that's AKBruin. I should have called him while I was in town.Quote:
Originally Posted by AKbruin
Post-conversation, I sent a quick text to woo, toured with LBSKi and got the heck out of dodge.
Didn't even stop by the praxis factory...
I keep offering my skis to people to try, even short people. I'm a midget and I don't want shorter ones.
But I don't run a business. If you want something made, get some friends together and wave some benjis around. That's how the first gen got made.
Or just head up mt rose highway at the right hour of the morning with a camera and blackmail AKbruin into buying them for you with some junk shots sent to the right newspapers.
just throwin it out there NB and Hoarhey after i saw NB's interest in a shorter version. i'm just touring and don't need anything longer for the speeds i'm going and don't want anything wider than 113 waist. after sweating the numbers on the bc's , i'm more than happy with the way they turned out. great customer service and the bases are tough as fuck which were both above and beyond my expectations
fuck i type slow. thanks Woo. i was the same height until i shrunk myself a full inch last yr. the legs are still the same however(short) and i find it troublesome on the up(switchbacks). lighter weight helps too. thought on the off chance there was more peeps out there that were interested it might happen. like you say, with enough people/$'s
edit; i think i'll just stick with the more people/$'s. method. leave the rest to the paporazzi
I shrunk an inch when I broke my back two years ago. I used to be a towering 5'9". :D
Switchbacks are nothing with a center-ish mounted ski. The real bitch is that herringbone walk think you do at ski areas.
But yeah if there are enough peeps that want a shorter version, gang rush praxis with an order.
I'd be in the midget Wootest gangrush for fulltime touring.... but I just done buyed me some Protests. And Skins. And need new bindings. And boot liners, and sunglasses and....
I would be in for a shorter wootest as well.
Maybe we could take advantage of some of Keith's ideas for tip/shovel width mod in that (another thread woo 3.0)?
nice, things are getting interesting. ideas for tip/shovel? i think i missed that
tip was already changed from 1 to 2. No further change as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by grinch
Some mention of increasing width of shovel (a tad more sidecut), but not sure if/when.
ya i wouldn't want to stray too far from where its at , if at all, after trying its mentor "the protest" for the 1st time yesterday. i wonder what kind of numbers Keith would need to do this? i have a couple friends in mind that might be interested and possibly more. i'd temper that with they are both family guys on a budget(squeaky wallets). i'm pretty sold on a 180 carbon/fibreglass for myself. i'd guess that would be under 8.5 lbs
A 180 even in normal layup and med-stiff would have to come in pretty light.
I have a 184 Pure Wailer with Dynafit ST Verticals.
And, 177 Protest with Dynafit Comforts (mistake!)
The Protest is only 100gms heavier [56.4 US drams].
If I really wanted to be accurate, I'd account for the weight difference in skins as well.
If a WooTwo 180 could power turns through baked and blown variable rubbish like the Protest does, then that would be cool.
What's this "if" shit. You know what really does? A 187 wootest 2.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
i was surprised how well the protest carved for that big a waist. all i have to compare to is flyswatters and line epp's and thats not even a fair comparison. they needed a little speed to really get them to work but lots of energy out of the turn and zero deflection through the heavy chop and mash. only one day and first day for me both on a lift and alpine(new) boots this yr. once i got used to the speed they were $'s. untracked i just wanted to open it up, soo fun. so ya if the WooTwo has those traits fuckya. my 1 and only concern is would that be too stiff for bc and/or touring boots.guess i could address that with the order. i need more days on the protest i think
Incoherent ramblings of a short balding readhead... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
Grinch - if you only ski stiffer AT boots, you'll never know the difference. I'm on Titans. Alpine boots will probably just lead to a realisation of deep disappointment, so I ignore them.
The Protest just rounded everything out in terms of feel and movement through bad snow. "Round" is the word that comes into my head, not sure why. Kind of like being on a powerful snowboard again, like a Never Summer. Coming from 100's of days on a W112 I'm probably more sensitive to the difference offered by the Protest. I bet my alpine snow skiing (rather than tree skiing) is about t get a whole lot faster.
ya 10-4 on that nb. a pass and some cohise's or vulcan's are on the list for next yr. pretty sure these quadrants have gotten softer. they just seem to fold at the apex of a turn
Quick request: can you strap on a gopro and walk around any highly populated area in japan...and put the video up?Quote:
Originally Posted by neck beard
too beaucoup too beaucoup
I'm too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
I'm calling you out! :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
I was not offered a chance to try the 187 wootest!
For 180'ish wootest, I've seen the following interest in this thread:
(part of touring series, it would have carbon/hybrid layup by default)
hoarhey
neck beard (potentially)
grinch
snapt
Anyone else?
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Originally Posted by hoarhey
Want'em now? I'll mail'em to you if you want.
ooh burn
to myself: be careful what you ask forQuote:
Originally Posted by kidwoo
pm sent
Question for seasoned Wootest/Protest users:
Apart from reduced flotation, does the Wootest 2.0 feel like the Protest? As in, do you feel right at home on them coming off Protests?
My BCs are seeing less and less use, as my Protests continue to shine, and I'm thinking Wootest 2.0s (or 3.0 - any rumours?) will replace the BCs when they expire.
Yes
And other than superlight low water content blower, they really don't even have any less flotation.
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Originally Posted by kidwoo
Good
Skiing mostly in NZ, superlight blower is not my biggest problem. Sadly....
Yeah don't sweat that at all. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Island Bay
Actually I'd be more worried about their behavior on windy rime (which is what I, having never been to new zealand think there's a lot of).
It's not bad but it's not awesome.