So maybe logarithmic is the way to go. Worst place in the world would be 0, and best would be 100. Or 1000 if you want to measure the bad down to thousandths of a unit.Quote:
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So maybe logarithmic is the way to go. Worst place in the world would be 0, and best would be 100. Or 1000 if you want to measure the bad down to thousandths of a unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
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I think we should hold up on labeling places shitholes until Hugh weighs in.
Or best would be 0, and worst would be 1000. Pass the black please
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Worst I have seen in the states was in Chicago. Cousin picked me up at Midway airport in a rental car, headed to the f1 race at Indianapolis, and we got lost on the se side of town. Holy shit. We ran red lights and kept going until we got out of there.
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If you want to produce your own thing, with those parameters, please produce it.Quote:
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This isn’t the “hey, let’s all decide how we’re going to change the Ogden” discussion.
Google maps routed me through the worst part of Cleveland. Google lady even said, "you've arrived at the worst part of Cleveland". The road was gravel and I passed two separate sidewalk fires, which is like a campfire, with people standing around it and drinking and bullshitting, but on a sidewalk. Cleveland Clinic is nice and we had some great food, so I give Cleveland a 5.
Crypto-ogdens. Blockchain based ratings.
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East St Louis IL isn’t just a place where things are kind of ugly, it’s a place where the locals are stoked you’re there so they can kill you and take your shit. The difference between most bad neighborhoods and East STL is the difference between being out of place and being prey.
Exactly. I call Cleveland a 5 also. Gotta be on your toes but nobody’s actively hunting you.Quote:
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That’s East Cleveland, it’s own city, and every bit deserving of a 5.Quote:
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Cleveland proper is a 2.
I think we have some issues here though. If East Cleveland is a 5, which is halfway to Somalia at 10, then the level of shittyness as you approach the ends of the scale must be parabolic.
New driving game:
"ok google... take me to the worst part of_______"
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I did almost that same thing...except the rental I got at Midway was a Dodge Challenger and, being a meaty clean cut white guy in a new Dodge, I think I looked like a detective....so I stopped at all the stop signs and saw the sights and got me some bangin Mexican food.
good Mexican thataway!
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Best way to see the worst part of xxxxxxxxxx is on a bike...much more sensory input, still enough speed to get away from hostility, no carjackings.
In Chicago, we we're driving through a burned out boarded up neighborhood, and at a light, there was a guy walking through the middle of the intersection with no shirt on, a large metal pipe in one hand, and a big gnarly looking dog on a thick chain. We didn't see any open Mexican joints.
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You're talking IL side of the river? Yeah, Lord of the Flies over there. But with grown-ups.Quote:
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Agreed. Helps if your bike looks like shit, and not some boomer dentist cruiser.
On the flip side, in Panama City we stayed in a not very nice part of town, and the people were super friendly, and never felt unsafe.
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Florida does weird things to people.Quote:
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Panama. Panama city, Panama.
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My statement still stands.Quote:
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I learned a lot of what I know about that place because I drove trucks nightly in a 500 mile radius from Olney IL, so I went to the STL area a lot. One night on the freeway in E stl there was a guy running across the highway ahead of me, then some more, and as I got closer I could see and hear they were all shooting at each other.Quote:
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So I told that story a lot and heard lots of advice from stl guys I befriended at loading docks trying to keep ol whitey from going the wrong way into the hunting grounds, and stories from various drivers and whatnot.
There’s stuff there named for FloJo. (Edit: my bad, actually Jackie Joyner-Kersee) ....like, ummm yeah, I’d learn to run fast as shit too if I lived in that situation.
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Yes, yes....You’re talking about Pedro. I bought a bunch of tacos from that guy!
He uses the pipe to stir churro batter. The dog looks gnarly but he’s really friendly, just scratch her behind the ears.
A good general rule is avoid Martin Luther King Blvd. Nothing good happens there. I have theories about it but as a rule don't go there unless you have a reason.
X2. I was moving to Tahoe. Took a wrong turn off I90 in an awful area of the south side, not exactly sure where. I was blowing lights too. Definitely the worst I’ve seen in the states. Palmetto FL is rough.Quote:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hJxWr1TKK8
so that's where that came from. ha.
Damn brain.
Ha. We used to skate all around the southside of Chicago as a kid, grew up just north. We would have a pack of like 10-15 kids skating spots around cabrini green(before they tore it down) and Robert Taylor. It got sketch a few times but most of the gangbangers were cool with us and would put the the younger ones in their place after letting them fuck with us for a bit. We'd smoke blunts and drink 40s with em. Ah to be young and dumb.
Now east st louis......fuck that place!
Bumping. How is Ogden these days?
I like its about -4 Kremmlings so about Rifle.
I dont have my calculator on me. Is that better or worse than ten years ago?
Much better. The new IRS office and Home Depot office have provided more upscale jobs. There're still a few sketchy neighborhoods, but overall, it's gotten way better than 15 years ago.
Unfortunately, Snow Basin is no longer the sweet stash it was; overflow from the Cottonwoods and PC have crowded up the place. And PowMow is expensive now. There's another spot that might be decent coming up, Nordic Valley. Their lodge burned, but if it comes back, it will defray some of the crowding at SB. There's a plan to run a gondola over the ridge to North Ogden, but that may be a pipe dream.
Snowbasin is basically ghetto snowbird at this point. 2/3rds the crowds with 2/3rds the snow. Nordic is cute but it's really a joke - lifts are always broken and the barn burning down sure feels like an inside job - and they get like 200" of snowfall a year. And they just don't have any real terrain.Quote:
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Ogden itself is pretty good - amazing summer concerts, a small number of good restaurants, and way less crowded hiking than SLC.
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So approximately 2 Boeberts?Quote:
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Ogden hikers tend to be a little less aggro, a little more friendly than SLC trail users too
Only an hr to the bird? So you can still access other ski areas as needed. They are even both on Ikon right? Hmm…. I’m in CO now so 2/3 the snow is still an upgrade probablyQuote:
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Not really. Lower elevation and poor exposures.
In the summer? Sure.Quote:
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Cottonwood Heights is now an hour to the Bird during ski season.
Just depends on when you drive up I guess. 8:30am on a Saturday? Yep, that's gonna be brutal.Quote:
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I still get 25+ days in the cottonwoods a year (mostly touring) and I am rarely driving for longer than 1h15min
I live in MTN green tho
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We spent a year mostly in Layton, and we liked Og-town quite a bit. Now we're tire-kicking the real estate listings, paying particular attention to North Ogden, which I guess is basically Ogden's Ogden. From Ogden, Basin's nice enough, and all the primo places like Alta are still in reach. And it's nice to have some backcountry stashes somewhat nearby where you don't need an appointment for parking.
Created, booked, and organized by an OG mag.Quote:
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