And since T-Tips is dead...well...why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
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And since T-Tips is dead...well...why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper
An idea that might be worth considering if anyone actually had the power to make it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by XXX-er
I don’t understand why people give up teleing once they figure it out. Y’all weak? I took a break a few seasons ago and alpine skied because I broke my foot. I had a lot of fun on fixed heel gear, but it felt SO good when I dropped that knee again.
Long time Tele skier. Mostly ski locked down now, although I still drop knees once in a while. It's truly stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
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As part of your reward for a long life, you will get to the point where, halfway thru a challenging pitch, your brain sez “initiate turn” and your quads say “fuck you”.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
That’s if injuries don’t drive you to a fixed heel first. Remember,
Free Your Heel and Crash Spectacularly
I just think it’s stupid damn fun. I’ve been skiing for 43 years and tele skiing for 26 years. I’ve had some injuries.
This season started a bit rough because I was out of tele shape (Covid excuse) and still recovering from my last injury, but my PT and physiatrist have me convinced that it’s all about strength training. It worked great for me last season (first season following two straight years of injury) and is now working well this season.
I’ll play. Started alpine in 66. Got bored and started tele in 84. Back to alpine in 10, to keep up with young crowd, but main drive still tele. Now carry both to feed the need. Came to bird with new tele boots and that was dumb, so sure glad I can lock em down. Anybody got neuroma issues in ball of foot from dropping a knee ?
I have it. Use wide size footwear. No tight sox. If inflamed or likely to, create a metatarsal arch support using molefoam pads and duct tape on your footbed. Place the support so that it's under the inflamed joint.Quote:
Originally Posted by efbride
Long term, do things to strengthen the foot. I have done that, and have little to no pain now.
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15 years ago you might see more than half a dozen knee droppers at the local hill on a weekend. That was the peak. Now you would be lucky to see that many during a whole season. Today was out of the ordinary and there were two others out freehealing. One was a good telewhacker and the other was a first timer. Not dead yet.
We had the central region ussa finals here this weekend...lots of race parents on teles...odd cognitive dissonance stuff going on like full midwest racerdad spyder/poc clothing package plus tele gear.
I suffered for years with neuroma which led my to quit tele 15 or so years ago. Had a hell of a time getting a diagnosis but finally had surgery to remove the neuroma and I was able to ski with no foot pain for the first time in over a decade. The surgeon indicated that telemarking was likely not the cause of the neuroma but it sure exacerbates it as you need to pressure the exact spot that’s screaming in pain.Quote:
Originally Posted by efbride
Now that my foot is fixed I’m contemplating getting another tele set up to mix it up again. I agree it is stupid - but it is one of the best feeling ways to get down the mountain. I used to swim race and I compare tele to butterfly - it makes no sense, if you want to go fast swim freestyle (or alpine ski) but once you figure it out, it looks and feels so much more fluid.
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Neuroma sounds shitty!
The one time I met wra in the flesh (FUAC avi course), he told me to that many of his older friends had knee issues from dropping the knee for so long (possibly due to lighter gear). At that time, he was standing tall making turns on tele gear and generally preferred the bellow flex for cruising on flats.
I have found tele boots/bindings much easier for long side hill/uphill traverses compare to having a locked down heel.
I'm with a couple of the others here. I took up tele 20 years ago or so. Loved the challenge of mastering it. Now I've mastered the P-turn on tele gear. I like both turns, but mostly P-turn because it's easier and I'm old. When I want to feel the tele turn, I tele turn. When I need to skin, I'm ready to skin. For me, there's no point in buying fixed gear. I'd just lose the ability to tele turn.
Not sure why telemarking gets so much crap. It's fun. I thought that's what it's all about. The "no one cares that you tele" thing is dumb. Nothing indicates you care more than repeatedly posting in tele threads that you don't.
I started a neuroma thread somewhere here.
If you don’t bend deep it shouldn’t be a problem.
I gave up deep knee bends decades ago for other reasons.
Met arches can help but wide boots are mandatory.
I quit when I moved back to Missoula and was skiing full time at Snowbowl again, where basically all the runs are 2600 vertical and usually with a punishing, moguled run-out. That was fine when I was in my 20s but by the time I was in my 30s it just seemed preposterous.Quote:
Originally Posted by bodywhomper
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Originally Posted by GiBo
Best post. Seriously. Been saving this:
"Drop a knee, suck a dick." telefree and all...
Get to say it on account of well said, GiBo.
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Originally Posted by TBS
So far, “weak” is the answer!?Quote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
Tele never caused neuroma for me, that came from climbing shoes and too tight alpine boots. It was so bad last year I could not put any weight at all on my left foot. Seriously depressing. But rod's advice in the foot thread fixed it for me: punched my shells, threw away $500 of hiking boots and shoes and replaced them with xtra wide, used toe separators every evening when watching tv, used toe socks (weird looking but they work), meta pads, and a few other things. All mechanical fixes, and after a few months the pain disappeared. Neuroma is a nasty painful bitch, I thought I was going to need surgery. I can sure see how driving a tele turn would irritate it, but too tight footwear is what causes it.
^ thx for the info, will pass on to someone I ski with who has neuroma...alpine or tele.
I guess I’m with these guys. It was keithermadness and I think he changed his handle to Keagan on ttips after the crash who was all about his bishops and how they “p-turned”. I didn’t really get it until I mounted my hammerheads boot center on my Lhasas. Now I “p-turn” most of the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by telefreewasatch
Wow..I lost my train of thought here but somehow I went looking for this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLv7Wabrq-Q for relevancy.
I once asked Warren Miller if he could tele. He said, “.....you know...for years and years skiers have been discovering blah blah blah.....” I tuned him out. I asked Plake if he could tele and he said,...”I can tele with the best of them”...
Actually I think I asked Warren Miller what he thought of tele.
Actually, I think that half-a-binding, half-a-brain thing is talking.
Been free heel for 35 years . ~25 was oblivious to the hilarity, then finally good enough to smoke steep powder just as age started to take it's toll. Tried to switch back to fixed heel, shins said, "ARE YOU FUCKING CRAZY?!?!? Committed to groomer carving and entered a higher Nirvana.
I'm perfectly happy with tele being mostly under the radar. Can it improve? Always. Does it need to? Not so sure.
Attachment 367774Mitch made this a t-tips cover. Rip dude.
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Parallel turns are great as well.
^^Nice pics
More Kasha!
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Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Wrong analogy.
Tele is fun, playful and bouncy. Like your mom.
Alpine is locked, rigid and tight. Like a repressed suburban woman.
Both can be great, but I am going to go with fun, playful and bouncy 9 times out of 10.
The first paragraph I agree with 100%, that's exactly me.Quote:
Originally Posted by GiBo
The second paragraph, well, it gets crap because it's funny? And because tele skiers are like raft guides, ski patrollers, vegans, etc. And because tele skiers are slower, relatively speaking. One reason I make alpine turns so much is because I'm much faster making alpine turns and that's needed to keep up with my friends.
I’m currently writing an article for the 3rd issue of The Telemark Journal
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Don't know if you caught Dostie's latest Youtube about reviving telemarkskiermag.com, but he told a great Mitch story. I was just choking up a bit of the stoke that him and Big Tim used to post. I posted at least 10k over there before I fully migrated here. I was there way way way back from the usenet migration days.Quote:
Originally Posted by wickstad
https://mountaingazette.com/blogs/mo...e-love-boulder
What a great soul of stoke. We really had a deep community going on back then. I think I was the one that told Danno that I was jumping ship. Anywho, I still check in on BCT every once in awhile to see who is still doing the silly.
Old skool massive tele stoke dump:
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And that last guy only has one leg, so he's 1/4 marking. I don't think JKON does that anymore (he's wicked smat).
Good times, the stoke was always so so "high" and "low".
Signing off:
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A couple p.s.s.:
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Your mod, hard at work:
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PM RonTELE:
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I miss every single one of these fuckers more than you can possibly imagine.
* 1. Cesare and I on looking over the horizon at my mid on our 2nd and successful attempt at a 1st decent in the Gore; Took 4 years to get that line on Rain.
2. That sign means not what I thought it did. It means that you are going to mach loonie into a rope tow at neck height;
3. Some random untracked lapped sidecountry down in S.A.; Yes, that is a Melanzana from 2003. So cool, right, 18 year old melly, what can I sell it for?
4. Pilqui, very crowded; Endless;
5. Some more random big peak down south;
6. Endless again, fuck you Epikon; Thank you Seth Morrison for allowing us tele bitches to ski real skis.
7. Boots off after a long day of 1st’s. Mag here rented us his cabin outside of bariloche which had a nice solid stash for the woodstove;
8. 20 miles up to a villager’s farm after I spied a line for another 1st; Long skis truck, go sox;
9. 14” and nuking on our approach to Mt. Audubon’s Crooked Coulie with some old Boulder friends; That was a whiteout over the head sick decent. I call this the abby road shot of tele skiing, we had no idea the pow, winds, and whiteout that we faced from the skin from the Brainard gate, and no one even dared back then to cut a track and ski that gut line except for this super strong crew.
10. Dobish, being dobish when he could tele, pre-ntn;
11. Bondo, say no more. I love this man so much;
12. Jay runs the largest buffalo processing plant in the western states, you see why. Surf that bra;
13. Charlie on another attempt with me in the Gore;
14. “Telemarking is Stupid”, clearly visible on his left ski;
15. Nate launching the privy gap from off the roof up at Eiseman way way back. I can’t believe I crouched and got this shot of him over me.
16. Pegleg, fronside trees in full pow.
17. Drunk as fuck laps after an early corn harvest in way way back landia on Asolo’s and Europa’s after mucho closing down the land.
18. Snowbeard on his own mental journey doing an insane skin up Green off of Independence pass. I did not rotate the camera, he just likes to do those things;
19. And he likes to go way low to maybe get a splash of corn on his beard;
20. Danno, chuggin not powerbars below Mace Peak I believe.
21. PM him;
22. PM point from the man again on a linkup from Green to Blue. What a day that was, all the way to the valley floor. Solid vert right there, and very good turns through and through.
fkna
Fun stuff MTM. I didn’t post often but I checked in every day for more than ten years.
Looks like you logged in here just after the ttips crash.
Privy gap was at Green Wilson, not Eiseman, but excellent stoke, A+++, will view again!
Even Mrs. Rootskier used to tele. Here she is on 1/1/09, still the best day I've ever had at a ski area, where, in the midst of a just perfect storm cycle, the wind did a FULL reset of the entire mountain and there were approximately 250 people there, because they only reported 3-4", and because everyone was hungover.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...2c&oe=607A0BEC
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if anyone else is interested in contributing an article to a future volume of The Telemark Journal let me know and I’ll point you in the right direction
https://www.lulu.com/en/us/shop/luca...e=1&pageSize=4
https://www.telemarkskier.com/the-telemark-journal-0/
Fkna! Good stoke there MTM!
Got so inspired that I am going to dig out my NTN+Stöckli Y for the first outing of the season...
My wife and I headed to Jackson back in 02, when she was my gf. We went to ski the pass and she didn’t have touring gear so she rented some tele stuff and was making tele turns by the end of the day. That was the day I knew she was the one.
She quit tele 8-10 years ago, but I will never stop, barring full knee replacement.
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at 14 I got junior some big honking leather tele boots with buckles, taught him to tele in 3 runs
I said ok do the lead change and leave yer right foot forward all the way to the T, next run lead change the other side now leave yer left foot forward like that to the T, Ok now link em togetehr so do that lead change every turn ... now yer telemarking
and then we just went skiing, he was catching air on day 3