You have to be quick. Sometimes a second "Your other right" needs to be thrown out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
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You have to be quick. Sometimes a second "Your other right" needs to be thrown out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
This thread is still going strong...wtf?
Retarded shit does that from time to time.
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Next time I'm touring I'll make sure to posthole the entire skin track and have my dog crap on it, then drop in above you. When you tell me I'm being a jerk, I'll just laugh at you, call you "malicious and pathetic", and tell you to skin up somewhere else if you don't like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by alto
:FIREdevil
This is about courtesy and respect. I don't buzz people or tell them they're jerks. However, I will tell them when they're doing something discourteous, and ask them politely to do differently in the future.
Example: Today I got hit by a snowboarder on a traverse. Apparently he came through a gate behind me with a lot of speed, and didn't call out or say anything...he just barreled straight into me. I didn't yell at him, even though I had every right: I just said "Hey, passing me with speed is fine, but call out 'on your right' or something so I know you're coming and you don't run into me."
The stokes still there, but it's hard to see.:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie_ripper
I have read the posts and I do see the points on chutes and traversing. My point is, it is about courtesy and protocol and the skier's code. The huge leap for some is that it's a two way street. Instead of pointing their fingers at someone else and how they are screwing up their mountain, look in the mirror and ask your self how you can follow courtesy, protocol and the "code".
Its a big mountain, lighten up and feel the stoke!
kyber,
Thanks for posting the flute pics, thats the first thing that came to mind when I saw this thread. Due to the lack of snow those get rock hard, especially in the morning...matched with the flat light we get here, its not fun at all coming out of that area.
For those of you who are talking about 1 or 2 traverses below chutes, i can see how thats a safety issue, however skiing across 150 rock hard stairs is not fun at all, especially since half the people to traverse the lower line arnt even interested in the higher terrain.
Skin tracks are another story all together....
we need snow...common its our turn now...
Tap poles together as you go through narrow place. Gaper hears noise, moves other direction. Most of the time. Remember, keep those pole tips sharp!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
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Originally Posted by YetiMan
Thanks I just spit cheap beer all over my monitor.http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/i.../thatrocks.gif
Damn....am i being a huge gaper when I traverse from sublette underneath Corbet's? I sure hope not. Not quite up to doing the couloir yet.
yes.............
Well said, Muted.Quote:
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For those who say to just go in the backcountry:
I can't go in the backcountry and ski steep chutes every day. Time, avie conditions, partner availability, etc. prevents this. So please stop with that advice, it's pointless. I do go in the backcountry when I can and asking people not to traverse under chutes and cliffs does not mean I'm rad, holier than thou, or anything. Just giving a heads up on something a lot of people don't think about.
I give the common courtesy of looking before I drop in above people, and and at the same time I'm asking people not to traverse under stuff you might not even be aware people are above you. It ruins a ski area to have these traverses and is plain dangerous for you.
Do I expect people to listen? No but it would be nice. Makes it a race on powder days to hit stuff before traverses are put in...so be it.
Did I expect people to be so self-centered about their ski experience in this thread? Uh, no. A little common courtesy is not that much to ask. I think the insecurities of some of the skiers here (that might not be as rad as they want to) are coming through in this thread.
I know people hate side slippers and gapers on the gnar gnar, but come on, wasn't that the best part of learning to ski/ride? I remember how stoked I would get as a kid after totally beatering some steep shit thinking I had conquered everest or something. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Most traversers probably don't even realise that it is even possible to ski the chutes above so are unaware of the problems they are causing. Most snowboarders I know, if given the choice, will choose a high traverse over a low traverse out of fear of losing too much height and speed and having to hike out. You can't really get angry with people who are ignorant of stuff they have never experienced. Just educate them.
Though I am constantly amazed at one bowl on my local mountain. The bottom of the bowl is very flat, and the chutes into it are inaccessible from the top. So it is common to skirt around the side picking up enough speed to pop up into the exit of a chute to then drop down 10 or so turns on the fall line, uphill traverse to next chute and repeat. But after a few days of no snow, the side of the bowl has a few traverse lines that go all the way from the entrance of the bowl until it joins the piste WITHOUT A SINGLE TURN. But there are rarely enough to cunt up the slope and that is just part of sharing the mountain with others.
But traversing under ropes with "NO TRAVERSING" signs, there is no fucking excuse for that. Those fucktards deserve all the abuse you give them, as long as you can look them in the eye and honestly say that you have never ducked under a rope with a closed sign next to it.
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Originally Posted by lookinback
Yah, we need snow. Here's me looking down from the top of the moraine, just below Flute, during my morning constitutional (I hike it every morning before work):
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/p...&pictureid=795
Traverse.. right uphill. Lame. I can't help but think that paving the access cat track below the Gate to almost the top of the col has resulted in extensive traversing by inexperienced skiers. Past the Gate there should be no grooming, imo. This is, after all, technically still Garibaldi Park. I can understand sled access to the summit as Patrol needs fast access, but I'm also not sure why they groom an access road to the top with a cat. All part of the problem of traversing out good terrain that should be left alone. It's terrain mismanagement, imo.
I wonder if Nesta is reading this ..
Well said. This is a great thread and I'm surprised how few mountains use ropes & gates to help prevent this nonsense. Works well at Highlands bowl because ski patrol enforces it there. There's a new one at the Beav in Stone Creek that has helped alot...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lonnie
I would love to see more but on the flipside it is not that attractive to have ropes splitting up the mountain into lanes and somewhat limiting freedom of those who are enjoying a very freedom-filled sport. So placement is key in those crucial spots... I would love to see a few at Vail - Lovers Leap, Ghengis, Red Square, Rasputins & Orient ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROAD PLEASE AND THEN TRAVERSE OUT IN THE VALLEY!!!! People stop skiing 2/3 the way down the fall line and then shoot for the bridge/funnel at a 45deg WTF??!!
I have 'discussed' this lameness with many perpetrators - including friends - and I am not shy about yelling down to traversers in action before dropping in; "NICE TRAVERSE, TOM" "WHERE YOU GOING?" & "GO DOWN NOW" being my personal favs. Everyone looks up in a classic gape, some have turned downhill even. I think we all have some responsibility to prevent staircase traverses from forming, even if it means buzzing a few gapers while screaming "FALL-LINE IS THIS WAY"
But seriously ropes and gates would make everything go a little bit... smoother :wink:
And I could save my breath in Gaperland a.k.a. Vail/Beav. Any patrollers reading this?
nice work on getting this started! Education is the key.
couple of things...
I've been skiing for 28 years and this thread will probably continue for a lot longer than that. Keep the communication alive.
"Observe all posted signs and warnings" comes to mind. If there is a rope line and "no traversing" sign then tickets should be pulled. Why is it that gaper's are exempt from having their pass pulled.
The refreeze on that staircase is going to be femur breaking dangerous! Thanks for the pics. I love that mountain. makes me jealous to see those photos.
I understand the conversation about ignorance. that's why it is the responsibility of the mountain (ie. patrollers, mountain hosts, etc. ) to put their heads together to resolve these kinds of safety issues.
If you've never been to gaperville, does that make you a gaper?
Reason number 117 why traverses below cornices/chutes suck:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3136/...765fc1231d.jpg
My toenail is now almost all black after slamming into a traverse on a pow day after airing a cornice to rock combo ...
Whoa whoa whoaaaa, lets not get carried away here.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleWoodsie
"Unfortunately" I have a rare medical condition that makes closed signs completely invisible to me....
No really! :D
Word up. You can still do stupid shit inbounds. Traversing isn't justified just because you're a "paying customer"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kroda Marblebog
"Dude, you wouldn't be dissing me for cutting if you saw what I just skiied"Quote:
Originally Posted by bptempleton
I agree w/ that, and disagree on a gut level with the notion of roping (closing) vertical sections of the mountain off because more core skiers might be hitting it from above. Fuck that, elitists.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefrush
If you're any good, you can avoid ONE traverse track even at mach looney.
If you're complaining because, even if it's only one traverse track, you ALSO don't like gapers actually getting to the powder and shredding it/blowing your sweet outrun... well, I sympathize -- but I can't support you. Cause now you're just being a selfish dick.:biggrin: Hint: SHOW UP EARLIER! Be the first there, shralp it till the outrun is toe' up, and then move on when it's no longer golden. That shit's on YOU, bud...
If the above is taken as given, for open, lift-served terrain, then the key is for patrol to create an incentive for only one track to form.
As an incentive, I see nothing wrong with a closure line, with a single, narrow gate in it, placed appropriately for a single, optimal traverse.
The ideal place for said closure line would be set back, considerably, from the groomer. So that anyone with a fucking clue would start high, gain their speed, and then need to thread the gate and stay on the travvy to keep their speed.
Anyone else, i.e. those without a clue, would start obliviously dropping low, and then after 200' of fucking things up, encounter the closure line.
If they hike up, fine. If they duck said line, they get their tix clipped/pulled etc.
Seems fair. Terrain still open, it just has gotten much, much harder for the gaperly inclined to create injury zones in the open terrain.
Fire away.
-S
Lost count of how many people I saw duck through the closed off "traverse" on the south boundary today at BB. Also lost count of how many people when bragging to me about how good today was mentioned using the bullshit traverse over Mundies. I honestly think/hope it's ignorance.
Go ahead and rope that shit, it'll improve it, but judging by today people forget what orange and black mean the moment they put on ski boots. :nonono2: