Underrated/Overrated bands

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

well and i did say that waxwing are "underrated" because nobody in the "scene" gives them credit and they pretty much sum up the whole genre in the best way.

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Defining comes first, summing up comes at the end. If you hadn't used the word "defined", I would have been fine with it.

Looking back, I think I can say Husker Du really defined "emo". You can trace just about every bittersweet punk/pop tune back to some combination of two songs: "In A Free Land" (early 1982) and "Everything Falls Apart" (mid-1982).

The Femmes might have blazed the lyrical trail, but no one could follow their musical direction -- including themselves.

Dag Nasty is definitely on the list, but they don't predate Rites of Spring. And I forgot Slint -- duh.

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

edit: but your over and under list is exquisit. (and so right ! altthough i like godspeed you! black emperor and must confess i haven't heard the other band :( ) :)

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I like F#A#8, but their palette is so limited. Found sound recording, long slow dirge with strings, builds louder and louder, the guitar comes in, climax, next found recording, lather, rinse, repeat. It's brilliant -- for about one album. I have the same problem with Explosions In The Sky.

The For Carnation made one great record: the self-titled one. There are a couple EPs that aren't worth your time.

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Originally Posted by mr_gyptian

That is a steaming bag of shit.

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You're all proving my point. If no one likes it, it can't be overrated.

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Originally Posted by KQ

http://ultrasonica.esquinalatina.com...he%20kinks.jpg

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I met Dave Davies a couple of years ago. Really cool guy (his wife is a nut job though). Still no nearer fixing the bust up with Ray, unfortunately.

Over:
Mariah Carey

Under:
Jill Scott

... in the UK anyway (I'm a soul lovin' girl)

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Originally Posted by fez

too bad they didnt do that when they played bozeman opening for Leftover Salmon. i really wanted to go see CVB, but no way i was going to pay for a ticket to see the opener then leave.

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I like Leftover and CVB but why not pay just go to see CVB? I did that back when I went to see Meat Puppets open for the Red Hot Chili Peppers during the Chili's Blood Sugar Sex Magic tour. Although I liked the Chili's, the real reason I went was to see Meat Puppets. It was awesome and the Chili's put on a good show too.

Under: Meat Puppets, Red Hot Chili Peppers (pre Blood Sugar Sex Magic)
Over: Red Hot Chili Peppers (post Blood Sugar Sex Magic)

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Originally Posted by Mrs Roo

... in the UK anyway (I'm a soul lovin' girl)

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So many overrated bands in the UK, most of them drive me insane

The Kooks (sing proper words you over-bited twat!)
The Libertines
Futureheads
Razorlight

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Now, howzabouta Negativeland?

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Car Bomb

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Originally Posted by buckethead

cool...you too have impeccable musical taste;)
...you must have heard about the coming meat puppets (curt+cris w/herb alexander from primus) reunion then?
the album's half done and they should be on tour by end of year!!

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FKNA, thats good news indeed. Happy to hear Cris made it through his heroin induced hiatus. Meat Puppets seriously expanded my musical horizons. Thanks for the good news. You just brightened my day.

got no head
it's a bucket with teeth
it likes to dream
it likes to sleep
it knows hot
it knows cool
it knows what's what
it's no fool
fill up the bucket with
whatever you got
make sure it's something
that the bucket likes a lot
fly on a window
looking through
its tiny bucket
knows just what to do
it goes over here
it goes over there
it takes its tiny bucket
almost everywhere
I'm a buckethead
that's the truth
what I do
sure shines through
and what goes in
gets mixed around
and overflows
and makes this sound

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Originally Posted by Mrs Roo

I met Dave Davies a couple of years ago. Really cool guy (his wife is a nut job though).

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Is her name Lola? She's a little manly ;)

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Originally Posted by Spats

You're all proving my point. If no one likes it, it can't be overrated.

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What does this sentence mean? Speak English bro.

Underrated: Cold Chisel.

Overrated: Jack Johnson.

See signature. I hate that feel good asshole.

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Originally Posted by adam

See signature. I hate that feel good asshole.

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heh, reminds me of Tonio K, who The Suit and I were discussing briefly earlier in this thread. He said:

I wish I could be as mellow
As for instance Jackson Browne
But "Fountain of Sorrow" my ass,
Motherfucker
I hope he winds up in the ground

But then I've been hating Jackson Browne longer than most of you have been alive.

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Originally Posted by buckethead
...you must have heard about the coming meat puppets (curt+cris w/herb alexander from primus) reunion then?
the album's half done and they should be on tour by end of year!!

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Originally posted by GheePup
FKNA, thats good news indeed. Happy to hear Cris made it through his heroin induced hiatus. Meat Puppets seriously expanded my musical horizons. Thanks for the good news. You just brightened my day.

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Glad to be the bearer of good news. I caught onto the band at 'up on the sun' and must've seen them about 35 times by the time they split in '95. i'd pretty much given up on any kind of reunion till i heard the news. especially glad for cris after the rough luck he'd had for many years...

Got lost on the water
Wound up on the sand
Gaze out through the darkness
With the light in the palm of your hand
To the other side
Another time

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Originally Posted by Spats

Defining comes first, summing up comes at the end. If you hadn't used the word "defined", I would have been fine with it. [/I]

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ok. typical german mistake. define does not equal "definieren" as "definieren" means summing up the actual status or stating the main points of something :(
i meant it the german way and ate crap for using it ;)
Now i'll just have to finish my semester paper about "ultimate attainment in L2 acquisition". And I have just proven that ultimate attainment, ending in a near native way of speaking, is not possible. Damn, im gonna be a famous linguist :D

concerning the emo beginnings: i'd not say it really started before the 90s, because all (ok those 2or 3 ;) ) those proto-emo bands did sound very much punk rock or hard core and were still very deep in the genre they came from. they paved the way, but the first bands which really sounded a different way appeared in the 90s (sunny day real estate , texas is the reason) and i guess that's maybe due to the early 90s indie music which has definitely influenced emo i'd say. (just look which bands did contribute to the pixies cover album, it reads like a who is who of the genre bands.)


btw. more on the list:
under: urge overkill

I dont know if anyone else is doing this but I ahve been picking up alot of good bands from this, that either overlooked or never heard of thanks guy and gals:).

Overrrated: U2 inception-1989
Underrated: U2 1990-present

Am I the only person who thinks Achtung Baby is their best work?

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Orignally posted by Plakespear
Am I the only person who thinks Achtung Baby is their best work?

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that was the only U2 album i liked (or paid attention to) after unforgettable fire...it definitely holds up as the one of those 5 i'd most likely listen to, followed by the former...

I've got a scratchy 22 year old tape of some live U2 circa Under a Blood Red Sky that was played on the radio one day. 11 o'clock tick tock!!
They've covered some ground. Has there been a bigger band since?

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Originally Posted by iceman

heh, reminds me of Tonio K, who The Suit and I were discussing briefly earlier in this thread. He said:

I wish I could be as mellow
As for instance Jackson Browne
But "Fountain of Sorrow" my ass,
Motherfucker
I hope he winds up in the ground

But then I've been hating Jackson Browne longer than most of you have been alive.

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I always knew you were posessed of a sub 100 IQ.

Overrated:

Zeppelin

Underrated:

Fleetwood Mac....yeah, a lot of it was pop shit, but the McVie-Fleetwood rhythm section rocks and Lindsey Buckingham is a great guitar player

Elvis Costello, esp. with The Attractions

Warren Zevon (RIP)

Elvis

Emmylou Harris

X

XTC

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

ok. typical german mistake. define does not equal "definieren"

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I forgot you weren't a native English speaker -- my first impulse was "Great, another little emo kid who thinks emo started in the late 1990s." Sorry for being harsh.

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Originally Posted by subtle plague

"concerning the emo beginnings: i'd not say it really started before the 90s, because all (ok those 2or 3 ;) ) those proto-emo bands did sound very much punk rock or hard core and were still very deep in the genre they came from. they paved the way, but the first bands which really sounded a different way appeared in the 90s (sunny day real estate , texas is the reason) and i guess that's maybe due to the early 90s indie music which has definitely influenced emo i'd say.

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I think we can split "emo" into two main waves:

1) Punk emo, which started with Husker Du around 1982 and moved on through Rites of Spring, Dag Nasty, Fugazi, Jawbox, and so on.

2) Post-punk emo, which started with Slint's "Spiderland" in 1991 and moved on through all the other bands (SDRE, Texas Is The Reason, etc.)

I consider pop emo (Green Day, Weezer) an outgrowth of punk emo.

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Originally Posted by irul&ublo

I always knew you were posessed of a sub 100 IQ.

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Dang, that hurts. Or it did until you busted out with this one:

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Overrated:
Zeppelin

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And then this one:

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Underrated:
Fleetwood Mac.

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And now I feel MUCH better about myself.
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Underrated: Queens of the Stone Age (anybody that says different doesn't know shit about rock and roll), TV on the Radio, Built to Spill, My Morning Jacket, Q and Not U, the Deftones, A Perfect Circle, Camper Van Bethoven, and a lot more that I can't think of off the top of my head.

Overrated (Well there's a shit load, but here's what sticks out): Metallica, anything with Dave Matthews, Pearl Jam, Red Hot Chili Peppers (after bssm), Jack Johnson, and most everything else played on commercial radio...

Also, any of you that are bored on Tuesday nights from 9 to Midnight, you should tune in to my radio show, streamed live at www.kdur.org
I play a lot of underrated music

OR: U2, Grateful Dead, Springsteen, Aerosmith (Post-PV)
UR: Rory Gallagher, Alice Cooper, Y&T, Pat Travers, Aerosmith (Pre-PV),