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Going for the jugular for sure.

Russian IRBMs and heavy bombers lighting up Ukraine but between those and Putin's threats of nuclear war are enough that we have clearly put ourselves on an alert footing based on apparent dispersal of line of succession for the National Command Authority.

It must be an exciting night in NORAD :(

"Missile Event!"

Meanwhile the last president gets on TV to say how much better he is, gets put on hold to listen to UN ambassadors shit talk.

And holy fuck, it sounds like amphibious assault on Odesa! That is just plain nuts if true!

The Russian army is way upgraded since Putin took over. It’d be a great night for some arctic cold to set in. They probably checked the forecast though.

Fuck Putin.

Pretty bold flex of Godwin's law.

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Any one wanna speculate on what happens next?

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Sure, why not.

NATO is active- several nations have recently been threatened by Russia (e.g., Estonia).
China stated earlier today that Taiwan is theirs.
Maybe Israel decides that now's the time to attack Iran's nuclear power plants.

Oooooh! This is fun!

Holodomor.

We had a drone out over the Ukraine just an hr ago. Now it’s over the Black Sea.

I don’t think they’d hesitate to knock it out.


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Some of glade master's well-considered thoughts about human beings wouldn't be wrong about now.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FMVj1XDX...png&name=small

Let’s not forget Belarus. Fuckers


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Putin and Xi made a deal about the Olympics for support

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Good guys on both sides amirite?

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I doubt that’s a coincidence. Destroying NATO and the UN is a likely goal

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Russia hammering the gavel on the session of the Security Council as the Ukrainian ambassador is bringing their grievances as missiles from Russia hit Ukraine... dead right that’s a goal. This is insane.

EU has to take the lead on this one for once.

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Let’s not forget Belarus. Fuckers


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Belarus is a large part of this.

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there are regular TGR posters blaming this on the US for escalating things...wrap your head around that

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MTT and who?

Ukraine’s mig29’s can make the flight to sochi. three of them should go put some holes in Putin’s palace rather than retaliate anywhere else on Russian soil. If the civilians see this a cockamamie plan of their leadership that does nothing to improve their lives, maybe it’ll put some pressure on Vlad to think again.

https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?f...to=USD&view=1W

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Ukraine’s mig29’s can make the flight to sochi. three of them should go put some holes in Putin’s palace rather than retaliate anywhere else on Russian soil. If the civilians see this a cockamamie plan of their leadership that does nothing to improve their lives, maybe it’ll put some pressure on Vlad to think again.

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I'm no military expert, but seems like Ukraine's runways just got smoked and any planes flying into Russia without Russian tags would get blown out of the sky pretty quickly? Seems like foreign intervention is the only way Putin isn't doing everything he wants...which obviously sucks.

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MTT and who?

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I just love seeing my name in print

Why exactly?

I am actually up late watching this shit on the tv.

Thinking about te the people in Ukraine.
I get incoveneced. When my power goes out for a few hours

How much do I care? My stock portfolio is in the red 3000 dollars

I have another 1000 rounds of 45 acp hitting my porch Friday

Ehh. It’s all in Verdi. It’s all about me

FYI. Me. Is really heating up this week

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Oil is priced in dollars

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Oil is priced in dollars

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Very true, but can you imagine what millions of russian citizens are thinking as they wake up?

Saw a pic of dead Ukraine soldiers. Makes me think of all those interviews on the VICE channel. Those guys are getting hammered tonight.

Going to get uglier. Gut check.


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Red Storm Rising

Air strikes against Odesa.

Land forces invading Ukraine's southern flank from Crimea

Strikes across the border and front lines in the East.

Damnit. We live interesting times.

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Source? Was watching the ABCNews live on youtube, but it's like MTT says. Lots of warmongering talking heads. They say Kyiv getting bombed, but the live shot behind them shows a normal looking city, no flashes in the sky. (That doesn't mean it's not being bombed, but it sure doesn't look like Baghdad)

I'm not doubting you, I'm looking for an intelligent source.

On the "it's the west's fault" I found this lecture from 8 years ago. John Mearsheimer makes that argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
The basic argument is Putin's afraid of NATO, and we don't listen. He goes into a lot more detail, including some Ukraine background and support for some of Putin's complaints. Not that it justifies anything, more a Machiavellian explanation, and some understanding how Putin sees things. It's worth a watch.

Hopefully Ukraine can resist and draw an unacceptable price from the Russians.

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Hopefully Ukraine can resist and draw an unacceptable price from the Russians.

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I laughed.

ooof. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...94d49681a1.jpg

So far, I think the president and his admin make a good case for why we voted them into office. Clear remarks for weeks now about what is going to happen and relative certainty to how the admin will react.

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Source? Was watching the ABCNews live on youtube, but it's like MTT says. Lots of warmongering talking heads. They say Kyiv getting bombed, but the live shot behind them shows a normal looking city, no flashes in the sky. (That doesn't mean it's not being bombed, but it sure doesn't look like Baghdad)

I'm not doubting you, I'm looking for an intelligent source.

On the "it's the west's fault" I found this lecture from 8 years ago. John Mearsheimer makes that argument https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrMiSQAGOS4
The basic argument is Putin's afraid of NATO, and we don't listen. He goes into a lot more detail, including some Ukraine background and support for some of Putin's complaints. Not that it justifies anything, more a Machiavellian explanation, and some understanding how Putin sees things. It's worth a watch.

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Do you not interenet?

https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs

https://twitter.com/i/lists/13834317...p8uANSSFQ&s=08

Filter as you see fit

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MTT and who?

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I’ve not seen MTT blame the US

The poliass thread is full of “this is the Dems fault for beating the war drums since 2016”, “this is just Biden trying to make a distraction”, “this is just Russia defending its borders by invading an area they have a long history with - the US should stop antagonizing them” , “America doesn’t understand that the Ukrainians that are opposed to Russia invasion are themselves Nazis” etc etc

It’s all there.

Also a lot of “if you think Russia invading the Ukraine is bad you have to sign up for the military and go fix it - otherwise you can’t criticize”