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For what it's worth skimo people will sometimes add a little gold label glue to the last few inches of race skins to help them stick better. I have never heard of this fucking up the glue or not sticking, and a lot of racers use pomocas.
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THB I had a good overall experience with pomoca. Unfortunately they failed me without warning. BD shows signs before complete failure. Weird that they failed in warm wet snow, not in cold temps.
anyone tried method with cooking paper and iron to melt the glue little bit and then smear to cover spots where glue came off? My pomocas started loosing glue badly when put together glue-to-glue without cheat sheets during laps.
yeah I've done that quite a bitQuote:
Originally Posted by HukuTa_KydecHuk
generally it works great, but there's a limit to how many times you can do it
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any tips on how to do that first time and not fuck up everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by tgapp
This video at 5 minutes shows the basic process. https://youtu.be/JOrwW0lH2z8
I’ve done it a few times with old BD and G3 glue but felt like it only bought me another 5-10 days before things got too sticky again. Removing the old glue really isn’t that much harder than the wax paper trick if you have a decent putty knife and an old shitty iron to heat up the old glue.
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Originally Posted by Cocximus
Your shop is full of shit. I've literally reglued probably a hundred pairs of pomoca with BD glue zero problems.
Yeah go to a new shop, or at least never trust that one employee.
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I've reglued Pomoca & G3 skins with gold label no problem, I just heat the glue up with a hot-air gun and scrape off the old glue with a 4" putty knife, a tube will do a pair of skins
the only skin i own that i havent reglued with goldlabel is of all things a BD skin but they all need regluing at some point so learn how to re-glue OR how to buy new skins
" Cooking paper " is baking parchement paper which can be used for reglueing, what its good for is if you don't know how to handle an iron on glue is it might be a little more forgivivng
you want higher heat on the iron more than is normally used for hot waxing
like 320F or a medium hot iron
My G3s reglued with gold label are my most reliable skins... also the stickiest... Like, dislocate your shoulder while doing a skis-on transition sticky. But in wet spring conditions they never give up, never let me down.
I really like contour's hybrid glue for winter touring where it's easier to keep the glue clean.
Thanks for all the feedback.
One more thing. Do BD nylon skins work better than let's say pomoca pink skins on that slippery wet top later of late season snow?
In my experience, yes. Pomoca's attract globs of snow sticking to skin and/or wet out faster/more thoroughly, than BD Nylon. Even after hot waxing my Pomoca plush well, they still do not work great in PNW spring conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
Oh yea the pomocas get soaked very fast. I might go back to my old vectors with nylon skins for summer skiing since tip dive is not a concern.
I am guessing using something like the 303 DWR is pointless as it would wear out very quickly and might mess with waxing the skins.
IME the nikwax ski-skin proofer lasts most of a season and so what happens is the plush just doesn't wet outQuote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
Skip-skin proofer works very well even if you spray it on when yer fucked, so the skin is soaked and collecting snow, you spray some on and suddenly its all good, I first used the stuff on an all day/ night event with great results
maybe you wana reapply twice in season, i spray a couple times a season, i still carry a cake of the purple stuff but i have never had to use it
but also keep in mind that you are comparing thin lightweight skins (pink pomocas are Free Pro series) to a regular thick/heavy BD nylon skinQuote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
How are the BD glidelite mix and mohair? I haven't seen anyone using them.
What about the ascension nylon? Did they change much in the past 10 years?
Haven't been in the game long enough to know what they were like back in the day, but they get the job done now. The glue is too sticky for some, the mohair mix glides pretty well. Don't get the Ultralight version, it is known to rip in half because it takes so much force to rip the glue off the ski and the material is pretty weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
I have some of the mix and like them fine, glue is very sticky. Like it takes two people to pull skins apart when they are new sticky. Pretty good glide and weight and can be found discounted pretty frequently, unlike pomoca.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
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Been looking at the BD 80% off sale?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cocximus
If you are riding in Tahoe or Colorado, feel confident in knowing that I have had nothing but fantastic things to say about Glidelite Mohair Mix and they have outperformed every other skin I have seen on the mountain. The old ones were thicker and heavier, but bombproof. The new ones are more supple and easier to pack. I am BD true after seeing so man Pomoca's peel and saturate. I never wax mine and they keep trucking on for years.
I spent half a season (15 days now and counting) on the Glidelite Mohair Mix in Colorado and Tahoe and 0 issues. They glide well, are sticky and hold well to the ski, no water intrusion, and provide about as much grip as the pair of BD Mohair Mix.
I used one pair of Older Glidelite STS Mohair Mix religiously since 2017 (forgot them at Eiseman hut back in February on the way out and donated them to Ullr). They are definitely heavier than the glidelites and the tip attachment is inferior to the new design, but I was able to get maybe 50 days on them and only had to trim and reattach the tips once on that hut trip when both tore 50% across at the attachment point. 10 minutes and both skins were trimmed and the tails extended and good for some more high consequence terrain. I will say, the glue on the new Glidelite Mohair Mix was so strong it ripped some surface leather off a new pair of gloves and I had to fold them while only wearing liners.
Some friends bought ultralight mohair mix and I helped them cut and fit those skins. I think they will have a shorter life, but appreciate the lighter pocket weight. I have not used the Glidelite FL Mohair mix, but suspect them to have proportionately less life vs the weight of their non-FL counterparts. If you are racing or doing 20mile days, this all might make a difference. There was rarely a day I wanted to ski anything lighter than skis with a decent layup and a burly boot, but maybe those have as much traction and stick for their lifespan and could spare a few grams where it counts.
I am in for a big order of skins from the sale. I really like BD and have had great experience with their glue and traction. I even keep a couple in retainer for myself and friends so we don't miss a dawn patrol or mission immediately after some skin drama.
I have currently have one pair of Mohair Mix, a pair of Glidelites in packaging ready to go, and an ascension and two ultralites in the mail.
We have 4 sets of Pomoca skins that after 1-2 years of use now leave glue residue on the ski base. I've done the iron the glue trick which helps but has not eliminated the problem. Friends with Pomocas also have same problem as have others who have reported here. I'm convinced that Pomoca glue is just not very long lasting before it starts leaving residue on ski base. I'm going to reglue these 4 sets of skins.
If my objective is to have glue residue free bases for as long as possible, which glue should I use?
I’ve reglued skins using both the BD and Pomoca glue without a noticeable difference in longevity between the two. Unfortunately, neither lasted as long as the original factory glue. IMO the Pomoca glue was easier to apply but seemed to give off more fumes.
I've done well over 100 reglues at this point for people and there is no difference in longevity between BD and Pomoca glue, or colltext or any other hotmelt style glue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno
But if you have issues with glue being left on bases it is time to completely scrape the old glue off your skins and apply new stuff
I use my skins perhaps 60 days every winter. I moved from G3 skins to Pomocas because of the reputation of their glue’s longevity, but in my experience they’re actually slightly less durable. With the Pomocas I find I start getting glue residue sticking to my bases after perhaps 30 days of use, and it gets steadily worse from there. Hot ironing the glue over parchment paper provides temporary rejuvenation and gets me through the winter, but after a full winter of use they’re a goopy mess. I’ve given up on re-gluing skins, as I’ve never (despite numerous diligent attempts) had success reproducing “as new” levels of performance or durability. Pomoca have now warrantied their skins two years in a row, as did G3 numerous times previously. I know it’s absurdly wasteful (and time consuming and expensive paying for all that postage), but in my experience using skins for single season and then sending them back for warranty replacement year after year is how I’m able to maintain functional climbing skins (although I should get around to using BSMP’s re-gluing service).Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeno
At this point I consider skins to be like mtb tires -expendable items that need somewhat constant purchasing depending on prior seasons use.
Big bullshit is that they are priced for the occasional tourer that gets new skins every five years because Cody mentions he likes a new color. Fortunately this forum has all the good sales so I stock up. Basically I make money when I get skins under $100. Girl math.