You are starting to piss me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
That won't end well.
You are starting to piss me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
That won't end well.
Nah, the universal symbol is the extended pinky finger.Quote:
Originally Posted by Benny Profane
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Originally Posted by mtngirl79
get over yourself. Which option would you choose for that person? Everyone has the right to leave their home, right? Where should the weirdos pee? Maybe we should just shoot them. They don't fit.Quote:
Originally Posted by iceman
I think a public restroom is a slightly different scenario than a locker room. I don't generally see people traipsing around naked in a restroom.
Women don't generally traipse naked around the locker room.. at least not the ones I have been in. Some may change out in the open, but its just change and get done. Most womens showers are individual with curtains.
I have no idea what the right answer is, just know that this transgendered stuff is very complicated. I don't think it's as black and white as many here do (on both sides).
You weren't asking me, and my daughter isn't quite 6, but this is a tricky subject too. At my gym, kids 6 and older have to be in the "correct" locker room. And lord knows she doesn't belong in the men's locker room (lots of naked old guys walking around). Admittedly, locker rooms are different than bathrooms, but this is one I kinda struggle with. Right now, if mom isn't around, she comes into the men's room with me. But at some point (when?) that will no longer be appropriate.Quote:
Originally Posted by christoph benells
I would think they would have a few "family" rooms for this reason?
Not my gym, and lots of places don't have such restrooms (though we do try to use these).Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
The kid/opposite sex parent issue is a completely different one, but having a society that was no so freaked out about nudity might help on that aspect, too.
I've seen Porkies so I know what a ladies locker room is all about.
Maybe they don't traipse around naked because you make them uncomfortable.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Well I do like to wave my penis around...
maybe, but I have heard the same from many women. Men's locker rooms are definitely different in this respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Actually Aaron I think, based on what I've seen, read etc. it would be the exception for someone not to dress as the sex they identify with in cases of transgender. Of course there are exceptions to everything but my understanding is by and large transgender people identify with the opposite sex but are not homosexual which is what being butch would imply in the case of a male identifying female. There are some women who struggle with changing their sexual identity and go through a butch phase but ultimately they realize they are transgender not lesbian but again, there are exceptions to everything. However, to me, it doesn't seem that way in this case.Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Swimming pool locker rooms almost always have communal showers where women traipse around naked.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Oh man.... I think I told you all about the woman in the locker room at Gold's who was buck naked on the floor laying on her back with her legs over her head (knees beside ears). Mind boggling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
This whole fucking thing gives me a headache. I always wondered why it's perfectly OK for a gay guy to be hanging around, lounging and looking, in a men's locker room but I can't do the same in a women's locker room.
probably because its extremely rare for gay guys to sexually assault heterosexual men.... ?
Why are you assuming I would assault the women I'm ogling?
Are there a lot of assaults on women in locker rooms by men supposedly identifying as females? The person in question in the OP didn't harm anyone other than maybe ogling them. That certainly happens with gay guys in locker rooms.
Seems to me the guy in question is at worst just as interested in the rest of the patrons of a women's locker room as a Lesbian is.
I'm with you - tangled web.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
What I find really hard to wrap my head around is the use of new pronouns. Ugh.
Ze or They? A Guide to Using Gender-Neutral Pronouns
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Did you even read my responses to this thread? I think people should be allowed to use the restroom/locker room where they feel the most comfortable.
Going into the women's locker room just to ogle them is childish and ridiculous and harmful to transgendered people..
We should do a "least icky" spread sheet/list:
Identifies as male and is attracted to women: Men's Locker room
Identifies as male and is attracted to men; Women's Locker room
Identifies as Female and is attracted to women: Men's Locker room
Identifies as Female and is attracted to men: Women's Locker room
How the fuck you would ever enforce that is beyond me, in addition to the simple fact that straight men like gay women... a lot, judging from porn.
Or, of course, we could just stick to the tried and true method of "Have a dick? Men's room. No dick? Women's room" and be done with it.
There is sense in what you're saying, but you also have to have a way to prohibit men from going into a women's locker room to ogle them. And it has to be a legally defensible way. That's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mtngirl79
Most people who have given any thought to this issue, and have some understanding of transgendered people, can see that there's a problem here, and someone who is biologically male but feels female, dresses as a female, identifies as female, takes hormone therapy, etc, "belongs" in the women's restroom. But how to make that happen is trickier. The earlier suggestion of "dresses in women's clothes" is not a workable legal solution. But I'm not sure there is one. It may seem black and white to you, it sure seems that way by your posts, but you haven't even allowed for the possibility that this is complicated, and that someone who is sympathetic to the plight of trans folks might not see it the way that you do.
I can always dream of being the meat in a Danno sandwich. Either that or I'm a lesbian in a man's body.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster