Coyote Problem

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

And I'm sure an alpaca is a real mach for a Northern Rockies wolf. :rolleyes2

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Of the hand full of ranchers around here that utilize llamas or alpacas to guard our flocks, not one has lost any sheep to predators. One of these guys went from losing 2 or 3 a year to none. K9's don't like their appearance, apparently. Or so I'm told.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

And I'm sure an alpaca is a real mach for a Northern Rockies wolf. :rolleyes2

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:rolleyes:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...shepherds.html

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/pubs/1218.pdf

http://www.predatorfriendly.org/how-...0Livestock.pdf

http://wolfarmy.net/non-lethal-preve...ck-protection/

http://www.wolfarmy.net/docs/llamas.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guard_llama

http://www.sheep101.info/201/guardians.html

:rolleyes:

I dont have any hard evidence, but from what I've heard, alpacas/llamas protect against yotes pretty well but arent going to do a whole lot against more than a couple wolves.

When I was in mt, a nice lesbian alpaca rancher couple, yea weird demographic, obviously lesbians, carhart head to toe, I never could guess which way they voted, had their alpaca population destroyed by wolves. My memory is kind of hazy on this exactly though. There is a chance it was coyotes but I'm trying to remember and I think it was wolves.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I dont have any hard evidence, but from what I've heard, alpacas/llamas protect against yotes pretty well but arent going to do a whole lot against more than a couple wolves.

When I was in mt, a nice lesbian alpaca rancher couple, yea weird demographic, obviously lesbians, carhart head to toe, I never could guess which way they voted, had their alpaca population destroyed by wolves. My memory is kind of hazy on this exactly though. There is a chance it was coyotes but I'm trying to remember and I think it was wolves.

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Llamas can protect against a pack of coyotes and/or a couple of wolves.


If you have a pack of wolves, get a mammoth donkey and tie some ribbon to your fencing.

http://www.omafra.gov.on.ca/english/...ts/donkey2.htm

http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.c...ver-livestock/

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multimed...tml?cid=983160

http://kerryg.hubpages.com/hub/Lives...ardian-Animals

http://wolfarmy.net/non-lethal-preve...ck-protection/

http://www.env.gov.bc.ca/cos/info/wi...cs/wolves.html

I have no dog in this fight, but a couple of the links posted say those freaky alien creatures arent as effective as guard dogs.

Who knew! Alpacas are cute, valuable, and protective!

Yes, eastern coyotes are practically a different subspecies from moving east as people moved west and interbreeding with wolves and dogs. Saw this National Geographic article about it. Eastern Coyotes are way bigger and heavier set. They kinda look like mangy german shepherds.

Mama and six pups just trotted by me while I was out splitting wood.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Who knew! Alpacas are cute, valuable, and protective!

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Oh my i read this whole thread looking for the guy whose two wives were having trouble with him and his three cougars, hoping to lend some assistance. This thread is about dogs, not pussy, and lesbian alpacas apparently. I googled alpaca to see what this is all about and, well they are sort of cute in a camel toe kind of way. I do have a cpouple of questions though

Do they swing both ways?
Do they taste like chicken or fish?
Was there a thread about cougar problems or not?

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I have no dog in this fight, but a couple of the links posted say those freaky alien creatures arent as effective as guard dogs.

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Yes. But generally you don't use one single method.

You don't use dogs OR llamas/donkeys OR fencing ribbon.

You use Dogs AND llamas/donkeys AND fencing ribbon AND not leaving food around.



To put in terms TGR might better understand:

You don't use a beacon OR a probe OR a shovel OR an avalung/flotation device...you use all of them to increase the likelihood of success.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Who knew! Alpacas are cute, valuable, and protective!

Yes, eastern coyotes are practically a different subspecies from moving east as people moved west and interbreeding with wolves and dogs. Saw this National Geographic article about it. Eastern Coyotes are way bigger and heavier set. They kinda look like mangy german shepherds.

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Yep. In the east the "coyotes" are more of a coyote/wolf hybrid. Easter coyotes are definitely bigger than the coyotes out west, but smaller than the wolves out west. Their hybridization was basically an evolutionary survival technique. Similar to what's occurring with the Polar Bear/Grizzly Bear hybrids in the Arctic.

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Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater

Of the hand full of ranchers around here that utilize llamas or alpacas to guard our flocks, not one has lost any sheep to predators. One of these guys went from losing 2 or 3 a year to none. K9's don't like their appearance, apparently. Or so I'm told.

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We had a couple llamas with our 500-head herd and would still lose a couple lambs each year but nothing like the slaughter the coyotes inflicted pre-llamas. I always understood it was their curious nature that would have the llama want to go check out the strange looking ewe (coyote) and approach it... basically running it off.

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Originally Posted by plugboots

I always love anthropomorphism. Yes the coyotes will be scared off by their dead brethren.

Dumbass.

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I always love when people don't know what they're talking about and call others dumbasses.

Dumbshit.

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Originally Posted by iscariot

Yes. But generally you don't use one single method.

You don't use dogs OR llamas/donkeys OR fencing ribbon.

You use Dogs AND llamas/donkeys AND fencing ribbon AND not leaving food around.



To put in terms TGR might better understand:

You don't use a beacon OR a probe OR a shovel OR an avalung/flotation device...you use all of them to increase the likelihood of success.







Yep. In the east the "coyotes" are more of a coyote/wolf hybrid. Easter coyotes are definitely bigger than the coyotes out west, but smaller than the wolves out west. Their hybridization was basically an evolutionary survival technique. Similar to what's occurring with the Polar Bear/Grizzly Bear hybrids in the Arctic.

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Thats interesting. Are there many issues with the gaurd dogs and gaurd alpacas/donkies getting along with each other?

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

Thats interesting. Are there many issues with the gaurd dogs and gaurd alpacas/donkies getting along with each other?

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Mostly the dogs leave the llamas alone, and vice versa. ie. They'll hang out but generally learn to stay directly out of each other's way.

We had a guard dog too with our sheep herd, but my brother and I played with it too much which apparently turns them from professional guard dog into family pet that stays in the house.

We also had these awful spring-loaded cyanide bait things we called 'gitters'. The coyote would bite down and pull it, shooting death spray into its mouth. It would be dead after about one minute of horrific convulsing, foaming, and yelping. I only know that because I watched a neighbor's dog accidently bite one and I'm still haunted by the scene.

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Originally Posted by powder11

just kill one, put em on a spit rotisserie and feed it to the cat at the end of the driveway

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Best advice yet, made it worth reading the thread.

For the OP, I'm sure that if you kill a coyote or two that your cat will be fine outside forever. :nonono2:

letting cats out to go kill birds and such is pretty douchey

that being said, I'd recommend some snares

snares for the cat? I thought he was trying to keep coyotes away? :fmicon:

Starting my stakeout/ambush in a few mins. 12 gauge, bottle rockets, spotlight, headlamp, a few pumkin ales, some beef jerky and the latest issue of Barely Legal.....you know, for the artcles . As in my origional post, I have no interest in killing these guys. Just trying to scare the shit out of em.

^ show them this thread .

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Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey

letting cats out to go kill birds and such is pretty douchey

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Why? Humans are resposible for bazillions more songbird deaths every year than cats ever will be.

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Originally Posted by Jer

Why? Humans are resposible for bazillions more songbird deaths every year than cats ever will be.

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Signed,
The Last Passenger Pigeon

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Originally Posted by iscariot

If you have a pack of wolves, get a mammoth donkey and tie some ribbon to your fencing.

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This is some funny shit. I recently watched a video of a pack of wolves running down some musk oxen. They are in a whole different category from alpacas, and the wolves slaughtered the chosen animal. Ribbon on your fencing? really? Pretty much all canines have figured out humans and how to live around us. I would not put too much faith in ribbons protecting my flock

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Originally Posted by Jethro

This is some funny shit. I recently watched a video of a pack of wolves running down some musk oxen. They are in a whole different category from alpacas, and the wolves slaughtered the chosen animal. Ribbon on your fencing? really? Pretty much all canines have figured out humans and how to live around us. I would not put too much faith in ribbons protecting my flock

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Well if you do some google scholar searches, or check out a few of the wolf threads here on TGR, you can educate yourself on the current science, which notes that these techniques drastically reduce rancher's livestock losses to wolves.


Maybe you could start here ( http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...%E2%80%9375%22 ), and then move on to the research articles in the reference list.

There was a coyote in the middle of my street when I was coming home tonight and I thought of this thread, so I tried to run it over with my truck, but he was too quick and ran under my neighbors deck. I had the high beams on him and waiting for him to move until the neighbor came out on his deck and was all WTF!? I yelled out that he had a coyote under his deck and he yelled back "SO WHAT!?"

I felt stupid and yelled back "SORRY" and drove off. True story.

Fucking Americans.