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Originally Posted by Skidog
I don't think anyone is saying that only GOP voters are dragging their heels, it's simply one of a few prominent groups (that happens to be making a huge stink about it).
Hey, this is upbeat!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...acias-covid-19
(borat: not)
why would they print it then? Doesnt seem to serve a purpose...Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
I agree that the right wing media is making the most noise....sadly...and that sucks balls.Quote:
Originally Posted by ml242
Your article did say in addition to inducing antibodies, vaccines also allow a person to acquire immunity through additional mechanisms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
The additional mechanisms also provide protection against Mu if you ever encounter the variant in the wild. And if that happens, you will come away even better protected than before. The vaccines are helping, not hurting, your ability to acquire immunity to variants.
Even if vaccination doesn't always prevent infection, it lessens disease severity, and your immune systems still adapts. The only caveat, there does seem to be an upper limit on how much immunity a person can acquire to a particular pathogen but that's true whether a person is vaxxed or infected in the wild.
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Originally Posted by Skidog
See the 7.6x figure in the graph Mofro posted. So to me "the purpose" is to state that Mu has substantial resistance to antibodies created by vaccinations (compared to the original strain). The thing it is also resistant to antibodies produced by those who have been naturally infected, and that number is actually 12.4x, so the data still suggests vaccinations are better, but the story didn't really address that point at all (at least that's my layman's take).Quote:
The new Mu variant of the novel coronavirus is more than seven times more resistant to antibodies created by vaccinations than the original strain of the virus, a study by a Japanese research team has found.
Is Mu looking more deadly than Delta as well as being vaccine resistant?
"Betadine is highly toxic and poisonous when ingested"Quote:
Originally Posted by seano732
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/27...da7484874d.jpg
Don’t really care anymore. I mean I wish no harm to anyone, I just don’t care either way. There’s no changing the course we’ve set. Enjoy the ride, good luck all!
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It's not more deadly if you're vaccinated because no variant has evolved to date that completely evades our vaccines. Plus, exposure in the wild boosts the immune response along with mature antibodies. Thanks to hybrid immunity if your memory B cells see a variant in the future, they adapt their antibodies towards those variants.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
I just want to take a moment in this highly informative shit show of a thread to say you’ve been doing some fine work with these gifs.Quote:
Originally Posted by skaredshtles
The skipooch is onto something with the fire comparison.
Last year, only 3,400 people (US) died from fire, yet we require all 140 million homes to meet fire code. Why do that? We're all made of mostly water and water puts out fires. Were so dum
Last Thursday, 3,200 people died from covid (NYTimes). We should require prevention already.
My point exactly. It could easily be misleading IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by The AD
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That’s closer than what I imagined!Quote:
Originally Posted by huckbucket
Mu!Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Muuu
Don’t care. You guys are all chasing your own tails.
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No no ..you're reading it all wrong. 6% differences are apparently yuuuuge.Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
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Doesn't really matter - it can't compete with Delta at all on infectivity rates. Mu was in the USA already and peaked in late June.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/07/mu-c...oncerning.html
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Mu, also known by scientists as B.1.621, is increasing its prevalence in some South American countries but is also decreasing in other regions of the world, especially where the delta variant is already circulating, she said.
Any new virus that emerges has to be able to compete with the “best of class,” and right now that is delta, said Dr. Mike Ryan, head of the WHO’s health emergencies program. The delta variant tends to “outcompete” other variants, like mu, he said.
It doesn’t matter if a new variant has genetic changes that allow it to evade the protection of vaccines if it can['t] transmit efficiently, Ryan said.
A majority are vaccinated. Here's a breakdown according to polls:Quote:
Originally Posted by ill-advised strategy
88% Democrats
88% college grads
87% over 65 years
75% Hispanic
74% men
73% White
73% all Americans
72% women
68% Black
68% independents
64% non-college
63% under 35 years
60% Republicans
I must say... this one has been *invaluable* over the last, oh, 6 months or so. For so many things...Quote:
Originally Posted by concretejungle
All the things, really.
Fuck, we are fucked.
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Update from Onterrible on Vaccine Effectiveness
Vaccine Effectiveness (and trends)
Based on today's numbers, compared to an unvaccinated person, a fully vaccinated person (of any age) is:
84.3% or 6.4x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 89.9% or 9.9x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 94.4% or 18.0x less likely to be ICU’d
Based on 7-day average:
84.1% or 6.3x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 91.7% or 12.0x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 95.5% or 22.1x less likely to be ICU’d
Based on running average (since Aug 10):
85.0% or 6.7x less likely to get Covid-19
(yesterday's) 90.4% or 10.4x less likely to be hospitalized
(yesterday's) 96.0% or 25.3x less likely to be ICU’d
We are at 78% of age 12+ vaxxed. They work.
Also looks like we miiiiigggghtt be levelling off on Delta 4th wave but too soon to tell. Schools just fired up again so we'll see. Although, all government run schools (which is vast majority) have mask requirements all day and cohorts and things to mitigate spread. Additionally, while everything is open, there is still mask requirements in public buildings and we are approaching Sept 22 which is "vaccine passport day."
Just presenting some data to show what can happen if everyone more or less pulls in the same direction.
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Yes, I suppose you could say it's an error of omission.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
Again, I really think you're missing the big picture. The difference between the red and blue bars has been increasing with time. And the latest data shows a difference of 12 percentage points, which is pretty big when the lower one is 35%. So, yes, it is huge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
Yeah nobody can travel here or anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
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Didn't read the article, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skidog
Mu was already in the USA, bruh. Tried to ramp itself up in June but then essentially died off 'cause Delta is king. I'm just repeating what actual virologists have pointed out. But, you do you, boo.
And I believe that's a driver of hesitancy in at least some portion of the anti vax crowd. Messaging all the fuck over the place.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
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49% Idaho.Quote:
Originally Posted by MultiVerse