Alec Baldwin WTF

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Originally Posted by mcski

Ok troll. We know your dumb but now you are saying you know that’s what happened because you didn’t read the script?

She was behind the camera. They were rehearsing a pov w the camera facing baldwin and the gun. That’s in the script. Her job was to be behind the camera. They were both doing what they were supposed to do

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So they were rehearsing a scene, and not filming one? Then why was she behind the camera, and the gun pointed at her?

Any ONE of these thigns would have prevented this:

The armorer clearing the gun.

Baldwin clearing the gun.

Rehearsing the scene by pointing the gun at the camera, and not the camerawoman.

Pulling the trigger with the gun pointed in a safe direction.

Not pulling the trigger while the gun was pointed at a person.

Doing ALL these things, would be, just easy simple safe handling. Skipping any of them is negligence, but skipping one isn't going to kill anyone. Skipping all of them together could and did lead to someone's death.

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Originally Posted by m2711c

oh, and revolvers don't have magazines to drop or slides to rack either, but do go on...

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This one doesn't, but those designs actually do exist.

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Originally Posted by halliday

Nice job crying on demand. He is an actor after all. Im sure he was relieved to hear the judge say those words because I really don't think he intended to kill anybody, but the question remains. Why was there a loaded handgun with a chambered round given to somebody? Wasn't there an armorer on site who was responsible for the fire arms? If somebody hands me a hand gun and I didn't drop the magazine and rack the slide in order to hit the "reset button" then on some level I would be responsible for whatever damage I cause.

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Small fact which is of relevance to the current discussion. The assistant director handed the gun to Baldwin and, per protocol, announced “cold gun” indicating the gun was not loaded. He pled and received a light sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident

This fits into the intel I got that the set was a fucked up shit show.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

This one doesn't, but those designs actually do exist.

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who fuckin’ cares, ya liar? not relevant.

The armorer asks for a new trial: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/17/a...smid=url-share

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Small fact which is of relevance to the current discussion. The assistant director handed the gun to Baldwin and, per protocol, announced “cold gun” indicating the gun was not loaded. He pled and received a light sentence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident

This fits into the intel I got that the set was a fucked up shit show.

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I Think Hollywood in general has a pretty weird culture with guns. Obviously obsessed with them, but also hate them, but the other perhaps more important contradiction, is the disdain they feel for firearms owners, gets translated to the rules of properly handling a firearm as well, and the narcissm that makes them want to disarm others, is the same narcissism that makes them feel exempt from having to learn those rules and habituate themselves to obey them. Those rules say, you personally clear every gun handed to, among other things that would have prevented this.

Seems the hollywierd types who actually like guns don't have these problems. No one has died on a John Wick set.

i know its hard for some of you to understand but the armorer is suposed to take care of the weapons and the actor's act

Nope. Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt and even the child actors have to clear the weapons they are handed. They also better crawl under the vehicles used and check the brake lines. Do a walk around on any aircraft. Examine the explosives being prepped for any scenes. Etc etc.

thats yer method acting right there.

Sorry, the same narcism allows them to believe no one would ever hand them a loaded gun. So they just have to do their scripted part.

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Originally Posted by leroy jenkins

I Think Hollywood in general has a pretty weird culture with guns. Obviously obsessed with them, but also hate them, but the other perhaps more important contradiction, is the disdain they feel for firearms owners, gets translated to the rules of properly handling a firearm as well, and the narcissm that makes them want to disarm others, is the same narcissism that makes them feel exempt from having to learn those rules and habituate themselves to obey them. Those rules say, you personally clear every gun handed to, among other things that would have prevented this.

Seems the hollywierd types who actually like guns don't have these problems. No one has died on a John Wick set.

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Stop inserting your dumb fucking agendas into this - it was an incompetent armorer. John wick had competent ones. Are actors that have worked extensively with firearms more likely to double check them? Maybe, feels probable. Has Alec Baldwin acted in many movies handling firearms? Not to my knowledge.

This 'clearing' talk is stupid. It was a revolver. In a scene, where the gun is pointed directly at the camera.

Was the scene supposed to include a visual like so? Dummy/cold rounds? Seen it a million time in movies - because movies aren't real.

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You just hope every one of these actors cleared that firearm.

But how do you know that the next guy didn’t drop a live round in? Better check it again.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

Nope. Margot Robbie and Brad Pitt and even the child actors have to clear the weapons they are handed. They also better crawl under the vehicles used and check the brake lines. Do a walk around on any aircraft. Examine the explosives being prepped for any scenes. Etc etc.

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I would think that a stunt driver doing a dangerous scene would make sure the car was in good working order, make sure the brakes work, etc, before doing the stunt. I am sure anyone actually piloting a plane would do a checklist. And I'm sure the explosives guys who actually set off the explosion--not the actor who pretends to--would check the set up personally. Never been on a movie set, so I suppose I could be wrong, but I would be surprised if they didn't.

I sure never took anyone elses word for the patient's name and which leg I was cutting off. We are all responsible for our actions.

And btw, I don't think Baldwin is criminally responsible, just morally and maybe civilly.

You likely verbally confirm with the nurse when they hand you a syringe of medicine. But you don’t stand over their shoulder while they draw it up. You don’t travel to the pharma company to ensure the right label went on the right bottle. Because there is what is reasonable and then there are absurd ideas about taking it to the extreme.

Baldwin isn’t guilty criminally or morally - maybe in civil court by only because he’s listed as producer - not at all because he held the gun.

You talk about the pilot, the stuntman, the explosives expert and the jobs they do to ensure safety on set - same goes for the armorer. Not the actor who is there to pretend.

I would’ve just walked away.
Alec Baldwin plans to sue Santa Fe prosecutor and sheriff

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Originally Posted by mcski

Ok troll. We know your dumb but now you are saying you know that’s what happened because you didn’t read the script?

She was behind the camera. They were rehearsing a pov w the camera facing baldwin and the gun. That’s in the script. Her job was to be behind the camera. They were both doing what they were supposed to do

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To be fair...there isn't actually a need to be literally behind the camera. The cameras can be fully controlled from a remote and monitored on an external screen. If you're filming a close up where you need a real gun pointed directly at the camera, there's really no reason to have someone directly behind the camera other than force of habit.

Presumably that's partially the armorer's job...coordinating with the director and other crew to make sure everything is done safely.

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Originally Posted by bennymac

You likely verbally confirm with the nurse when they hand you a syringe of medicine. But you don’t stand over their shoulder while they draw it up. You don’t travel to the pharma company to ensure the right label went on the right bottle. Because there is what is reasonable and then there are absurd ideas about taking it to the extreme.

Baldwin isn’t guilty criminally or morally - maybe in civil court by only because he’s listed as producer - not at all because he held the gun.

You talk about the pilot, the stuntman, the explosives expert and the jobs they do to ensure safety on set - same goes for the armorer. Not the actor who is there to pretend.

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I'm talking about the end user--the pilot, the stuntman, the explosives expert who detonates the charge, the actor who pulls the trigger.
As far as the nurse--she's the end user, which means she checks the info on the med vial against the patient's wrist band every time. Which is not absurd or extreme. But your analogy about traveling to pharma is.
Why do you have so much trouble with the idea of being personally responsible for your actions?
As far as the armorer, obviously there is some culpability but it's impossible to know how much without knowing how the live ammo got on set--did she bring it. Did someone else put look-alike live ammo in a box with blanks? Who else had access to the locked safe where ammo was supposedly stored? Was anyone doing live shooting on the set? Maybe some of these questions have already been answered--I haven't followed that closely.

The live ammo is a whole separate problem, but it’s still 100% the armorer’s responsibility and no one else’s. Full stop. That’s their job. If someone is breaking protocol, they are not doing their job.

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Originally Posted by mcski

The live ammo is a whole separate problem, but it’s still 100% the armorer’s responsibility and no one else’s. Full stop. That’s their job. If someone is breaking protocol, they are not doing their job.

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it's amazing how this very simple concept seems to escape so many in this thread

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Originally Posted by Danno

it's amazing how this very simple concept seems to escape so many in this thread

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AND in a country with almost half a billion guns and more gun deaths percapita for a 1st world country than anywhere else in the world

FWIW, both the live rounds and the dummy rounds were housed in Starline Brass casings. Dummies in movies are distinguished by a drilled casing and a dimpled primer. Sometimes however the primer needs to look real for close-up shots so that's not always a clear indicator. Baldwin would have had to unload the gun and see the drilled casing to be sure.

One of the reasons why the armorer wants her conviction overturned is because the prosecutors theory of how the live rounds made it on the set appears to be flawed based on the evidence they buried. It now appears likely Seth Kenney, who supplied Rust with ammo and guns, including the one used by Baldwin, also included live rounds in addition to the dummy rounds.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

I would’ve just walked away.
Alec Baldwin plans to sue Santa Fe prosecutor and sheriff

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he is a hot head... he is famous for ripping people new assholes

second and more importantly he was used by an unscrupulous prosecutor. prosecutors would fuck a snake if someone would hold it's head

You guys are so passionate about this incident. Fascinating.