Official ATK Binding Thread

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Originally Posted by i_like_powder

Has anyone experienced their risers flipping down on their own on raider heels/Helio 350 heels while touring? I’ve had it happen a few times now. I’m not hitting it with my pole or other ski or anything like that, my partner behind me has seen it happen on its own.

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Yes, a few times, but not enough for me to figure out how to do something about it yet.

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Originally Posted by i_like_powder

Has anyone experienced their risers flipping down on their own on raider heels/Helio 350 heels while touring? I’ve had it happen a few times now. I’m not hitting it with my pole or other ski or anything like that, my partner behind me has seen it happen on its own.

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As in: You're in flat mode, and the risers keep flopping over the top of the tower and giving you risers when you don't want any? If that's the case, you need to just gently push them down between the pins, they're machined to fit there.

Can anyone confirm that I can drill the heels and front two screws of the toe pieces of the C-Raider 12s with an M05 jig. I think it's just two holes which have moved so I can reference them from the paper jig once i've located the front holes.

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Originally Posted by Chiroshi

Can anyone confirm that I can drill the heels and front two screws of the toe pieces of the C-Raider 12s with an M05 jig. I think it's just two holes which have moved so I can reference them from the paper jig once i've located the front holes.

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Yes. This is how I've been doing it with the M05 Jig

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Originally Posted by cydwhit

As in: You're in flat mode, and the risers keep flopping over the top of the tower and giving you risers when you don't want any? If that's the case, you need to just gently push them down between the pins, they're machined to fit there.

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That’s exactly it. I have not been doing that and feel like an idiot for not realizing that. Thanks man


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Originally Posted by i_like_powder

That’s exactly it. I have not been doing that and feel like an idiot for not realizing that. Thanks man


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Haha, don't worry, a lot of people have this issue. Like, a LOT. ATK needs to print it in huge letters on the box or something.

Thought I'd post up here before heading back into the shop. Had some Haute Routes/Helio 200s mounted to some new pow skis. I've noticed that when I'm in walk mode, the toe rotates ~3-4mm which did not occur with this binding on the previous ski (as well as my other setup with the same exact binding). In addition, my heel pieces were rotating while touring with the risers up (maybe due to the twisting of the toe piece?

Is there anything mechanical on the toe piece that would cause this or do you think the toe piece is just not flush with the ski allowing some play? Haven't seen this issue before with other binders.

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Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar

Thought I'd post up here before heading back into the shop. Had some Haute Routes/Helio 200s mounted to some new pow skis. I've noticed that when I'm in walk mode, the toe rotates ~3-4mm which did not occur with this binding on the previous ski (as well as my other setup with the same exact binding). In addition, my heel pieces were rotating while touring with the risers up (maybe due to the twisting of the toe piece?

Is there anything mechanical on the toe piece that would cause this or do you think the toe piece is just not flush with the ski allowing some play? Haven't seen this issue before with other binders.

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Useless without pics. Take to shop.

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Originally Posted by ASmileyFace

Yes. This is how I've been doing it with the M05 Jig

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Perfect, thanks a lot!

https://cripplecreekbc.com/products/...xoCr54QAvD_BwE

Kastle appears to be selling branded “narrow” freeride spacers, like the ones that come with the fr14 as opposed to the slightly wider al09.


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Originally Posted by GoSlowGoFar

Thought I'd post up here before heading back into the shop. Had some Haute Routes/Helio 200s mounted to some new pow skis. I've noticed that when I'm in walk mode, the toe rotates ~3-4mm which did not occur with this binding on the previous ski (as well as my other setup with the same exact binding). In addition, my heel pieces were rotating while touring with the risers up (maybe due to the twisting of the toe piece?

Is there anything mechanical on the toe piece that would cause this or do you think the toe piece is just not flush with the ski allowing some play? Haven't seen this issue before with other binders.

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Sounds like a bad mount.

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Originally Posted by ezgzy

https://cripplecreekbc.com/products/...xoCr54QAvD_BwE
Kastle appears to be selling branded “narrow” freeride spacers, like the ones that come with the fr14 as opposed to the slightly wider al09.
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It's the AL09 that comes with the FR14. The new AL13 is wider but only fits the Evo bindings.

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Originally Posted by Spyderjon

It's the AL09 that comes with the FR14. The new AL13 is wider but only fits the Evo bindings.

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Nearly.

If you buy the AL09 now it seems to come with those tabs on the base the same as the AL13 making it wider.

The older FR14 ones didn’t have that. And are like these linked ones.

New FR14 seems to have the tabbed/wider ones.

Only significant if you are putting them on sub 100 skis.

Sorry if this has been asked and answered before, but does current gen FR14 toes have stiffer springs than R12s? Or is the clamping force the same across those bindings (aka one evo models have adjustable release values?) Nm the the three position adjustability thingy.

I have some FR14 toes that are surplus to requirements (the heels aree to be used with Vario.2 toes), and thought about mounting the FR14 toes instead of the MTN toes I will need to remount on two other pairs. Those pairs will get ATKs at some point, so I figured going half way there would be a good start :)

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Mounted my Kuluars today.

As info the crampon holder is kind of a cheap stamped and bent piece that seemed like it was going to hold the toe off the ski a little so I didn’t install it.

If a crampon slot is important to you I’d go with the monolink or FR style toe that has a much nicer machined crampon slot.

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Doh! wished i caught this before i took the plunge. I was keying in on a plum pika from tp, then i found a kuluar 12 from Alpinstore that ended up 50+cad cheaper with the code "newsletter" you get when you sign up for their newsletter. I was thinking id add a crampon later. Have you added a toe riser?

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Originally Posted by grinch

Doh! wished i caught this before i took the plunge. I was keying in on a plum pika from tp, then i found a kuluar 12 from Alpinstore that ended up 50+cad cheaper with the code "newsletter" you get when you sign up for their newsletter. I was thinking id add a crampon later. Have you added a toe riser?

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No toe riser.

I’ve actually had quite a few emails with Italy and US customer service.

I’m given to understand if you trust they got it right, put it in place and crank the screws it will pop in correctly.

So my comment is probably invalid. It’s still not as nice of a part as the crampon biker on the monolink toe.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

No toe riser.

I’ve actually had quite a few emails with Italy and US customer service.

I’m given to understand if you trust they got it right, put it in place and crank the screws it will pop in correctly.

So my comment is probably invalid. It’s still not as nice of a part as the crampon biker on the monolink toe.

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Thanks Brit. Good news on both topics. Ill try it w/o the riser first. Im thinking i mighf need to add some. Heel and track look similar to my raiders and the toe looks low. I ended up putting some risers on my raiders and i prefer them. Id rather just be lower at the toe and heel though so we'll see how they feel

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Originally Posted by grinch

Thanks Brit. Good news on both topics. Ill try it w/o the riser first. Im thinking i mighf need to add some. Heel and track look similar to my raiders and the toe looks low. I ended up putting some risers on my raiders and i prefer them. Id rather just be lower at the toe and heel though so we'll see how they feel

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I measured my FR14 and Kuluar.

Identical heel to toe pin delta.

Review on Kuluar soon once I’ve had them out again but with the freeride spacer they ski just fine.

Thanks again. I didnt find them to ski bad without. I guess im just used go the flatter delta after having rusers on a few dfits, ions and vipecs.
Im trying to mount a touch forward on the ski i have the kuluars for and like Climber Joes suggestion that the riser helps that a bit. I feel i could move 1 cm forward on my bg tours and might do that after. Im still experimenting. The mount on both skis would still be relatively directional. Just a little more swivel as long as the tips dont dive i figure. Baby steps

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Is the kuluar compatible with the al09 or are you using the universal spacer?


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Originally Posted by ezgzy

Is the kuluar compatible with the al09 or are you using the universal spacer?

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It is not compatible with the AL09. The AL09 only works with the Raider series.

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Originally Posted by ezgzy

Is the kuluar compatible with the al09 or are you using the universal spacer?


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I have no idea

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Originally Posted by Benneke10

It is not compatible with the AL09. The AL09 only works with the Raider series.

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Any ideas on which one?

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al09 works with regular newer raider series FR14, R12 etc. al13 works with evo series.

al05 and al06 are universal freeride spacers with the al05 having a lower minimum height by 2-3 mm.

Cool, cheers. al06 ftw

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Originally Posted by grinch

Cool, cheers. al06 ftw

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Yeah. As long as it fits under your boot.

Apologies, as I'm sure this has been asked, but coudnt find anything with a bit of scrolling... On FR14s, ok to run without the al09 spacer, leaving that slight gap in front of the front screws? Or is there some little piece (that I lost) that should slot under? I've got inserts, so it's easy to run w/ or w/o the spacer.
Thx

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Originally Posted by tang

Apologies, as I'm sure this has been asked, but coudnt find anything with a bit of scrolling... On FR14s, ok to run without the al09 spacer, leaving that slight gap in front of the front screws? Or is there some little piece (that I lost) that should slot under? I've got inserts, so it's easy to run w/ or w/o the spacer.
Thx

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Like the R12?

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Like the R12?

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It’s the freeraider 14, but it’s prob just like the r12 - it’s raised a bit in the front to accept the al09 spacer hooks underneath. The raised bit isn’t on the actual mount interface… so I guessing ok, just will pack in with some snow is all. Prob won’t die?

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Originally Posted by tang

It’s the freeraider 14, but it’s prob just like the r12 - it’s raised a bit in the front to accept the al09 spacer hooks underneath. The raised bit isn’t on the actual mount interface… so I guessing ok, just will pack in with some snow is all. Prob won’t die?

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There is a little spacer that goes there. Will you die if you don't use it? No idea.

^^^ Thx, kinda remember that. But no idea where I put it

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Originally Posted by tang

It’s the freeraider 14, but it’s prob just like the r12 - it’s raised a bit in the front to accept the al09 spacer hooks underneath. The raised bit isn’t on the actual mount interface… so I guessing ok, just will pack in with some snow is all. Prob won’t die?

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Yeah what I mean its how the R12 comes. But normally yea the space under the heel piece has a little space filler.

^^^ got it, will dig some more in the parts drawer

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Originally Posted by tang

^^^ got it, will dig some more in the parts drawer

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If you are really bothered and don’t have one let me know. It’s probably $1 postage!

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Originally Posted by tang

Apologies, as I'm sure this has been asked, but coudnt find anything with a bit of scrolling... On FR14s, ok to run without the al09 spacer, leaving that slight gap in front of the front screws? Or is there some little piece (that I lost) that should slot under? I've got inserts, so it's easy to run w/ or w/o the spacer.
Thx

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Sure. I think the risk is really that snow (or worse, water) could occupy that space. Over time, melt/freeze cycles could exert some force on the heel piece and cause issues.

Imagine that is low probability and likely minimized if you dry your skis out after a session/tour. Over years could be an issue.

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Originally Posted by CaliBrit

Yeah what I mean its how the R12 comes. But normally yea the space under the toe piece has a little space filler.

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Why are toe pieces coming into that? Do you mean the front of the heel, rather than toe?

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Originally Posted by grinch

Doh! wished i caught this before i took the plunge. I was keying in on a plum pika from tp, then i found a kuluar 12 from Alpinstore that ended up 50+cad cheaper with the code "newsletter" you get when you sign up for their newsletter. I was thinking id add a crampon later. Have you added a toe riser?

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I've had many does on numerous models of ATK bindings (Trofeo, C-Raider, R10... or was it RT10, and I think one other). Have had no issues with crampon mounts on any of them. I wouldn't worry about it.

I've also shimmed all the models that are not flat (after a couple season of skiing them all as-is), and I have a heel adjustment plate under the Trofeos — such that all are about +6 delta.

My point is that crampons have not been an issue even with the toe shims.

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Originally Posted by upallnight

Sure. I think the risk is really that snow (or worse, water) could occupy that space. Over time, melt/freeze cycles could exert some force on the heel piece and cause issues.

Imagine that is low probability and likely minimized if you dry your skis out after a session/tour. Over years could be an issue.




Why are toe pieces coming into that? Do you mean the front of the heel, rather than toe?

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Mistake. Edited.

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Originally Posted by upallnight

I've had many does on numerous models of ATK bindings (Trofeo, C-Raider, R10... or was it RT10, and I think one other). Have had no issues with crampon mounts on any of them. I wouldn't worry about it.

I've also shimmed all the models that are not flat (after a couple season of skiing them all as-is), and I have a heel adjustment plate under the Trofeos — such that all are about +6 delta.

My point is that crampons have not been an issue even with the toe shims.

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Thanks. Thats great to hear

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Received this beauties today! Came with the toe shim in the box.


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Evo's in da house! I can only imagine what theyre going on

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PSA oliunid has extra 10% off damn good euro prices right now. Cheap shipping too.