To Vaccinate or Not---The Rat Flu Odyssey Continues

Was perusing MMR child vaccine rates by state. Noticed CO, OR, and WA are amongst the lowest in the nation. That was surprising to me because all those states are amongst the highest in the nation for COVID vaccine. And ND is high for MMR but low for COVID. MA is highest for MMR and near the top for COVID too.

How do we explain this? One would think if you don't want to vaccinate your kid, you wouldn't take COVID vax, and vice versa. MA has the strongest public health program in the nation, so this shows public health can make make a difference (98% MMR vs 88 % for CO).

NYTimes article was saying the anti-vaccine movement really gained steam a few years before the pandemic when CA and TX sought to restrict the reasons one could get a medical exemption to MMR. Passed in CA, didn't pass in TX, but it fired up the anti-vaxers and got them to mobilize and here we are today.

The covid vaccine refusal is now largely on partisan lines; the prior antivax movement wasn’t.

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Originally Posted by Skidog

Ok let's get back on track.

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fuck you you thread cunter.

the amount of your useless bullshit I’ve had to scroll past to get to the *truly fucking useful* information that is available in this thread is unbelievable

it’s the same process writ large across the country. throw up clouds of distraction and half-assed supposition, turn the issue into something murkier, make it harder and harder to distinguish fake from almost-fake from life-saving

here, on a ski forum of all fucking places, there is real info and perspective which educates and can inform consequential decisions. you willfully make it harder to get to that. you motherfucker.

cunts like you are responsible for deaths. your little individual contribution is just that, a contribution

thread cunter, wait for an icu bed that never becomes available

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Originally Posted by altasnob

Ya, but because it's been a disjointed, hodge podge, ad hoc vaccine ID roll out it breads for profit predators.

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Great. Now I'm hungry for bread. Nice, fresh, hot-out-of-the-oven bread... mmmmm.

Yep -- however pure an individual says their intentions are, the cumulative national effect of carrying water for the antivax movement prolongs the pandemic.


In spite of a spike in cases, in Britain the recent death count has been less than one-tenth what it was in January. Cases also skyrocketed in San Francisco as a result of the spread of delta. But thanks to higher vax rates data shows fewer San Franciscans are hospitalized, about 1/10 of those last winter, compared with other U.S. counties with similar transmission rates. In NYC, the vast majority of Covid cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are in people who are unvaccinated.

Whereas multiple lines of evidence converge to show the true death toll from Covid in India from delta is at least several million, well in excess of the officially reported figure of < 500,000. In Idaho the governor reactivated the National Guard to support hospitals. Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Florida & Arkansas have <10% left of their ICU bed capacity... in essence, their hospitals are full.

That's because only about 60% of eligible Americans are fully vaccinated, not enough to provide domestic protection, in spite of the fact the best weapon we have for keeping people out of overcrowded hospitals is a free vaccine.

Rich, poor, urban, rural, all are likely going to be exposed to the virus; better that this happens while vaccinated, rather than unvaccinated, because that lowers the chance of passing it onwards, and lowers the chance of getting sick.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Dumb and/or moronic

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why do you keep engaging with the dumb cunt? it's obvious he's a fucking nut job...

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Originally Posted by altasnob

Was perusing MMR child vaccine rates by state. Noticed CO, OR, and WA are amongst the lowest in the nation. That was surprising to me because all those states are amongst the highest in the nation for COVID vaccine. And ND is high for MMR but low for COVID. MA is highest for MMR and near the top for COVID too.

How do we explain this? One would think if you don't want to vaccinate your kid, you wouldn't take COVID vax, and vice versa. MA has the strongest public health program in the nation, so this shows that public health can make make a difference.

NYTimes article was saying the anti-vaccine movement really gained steam a few years before the pandemic when CA and TX sought to restrict the reasons one could get a medical exemption. It fired up the anti-vaxers and got them to mobilize and here we are today.

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You can thank the Upper Middle Class Hippie Liberal Douche as well as the Red County types for low MMR rates in CO.

The MMR issues in most states have to do with how lax state laws are for exemptions.

You can thank the Red county pols for fighting against a tightening up on exemptions in CO. Colorado allows a PERSONAL BELIEF EXEMPTION in addition to religious and medical. Basically if momma don't want her kid vaxxed, then she can have them be a disease vector. Last year they tried to eliminate this, but the pols fought it off and the latest law just means it is slightly more annoying to do a personal belief exemption (gotta watch a short online vid) but classifies personal belief exemptions the same as religious exemptions (same form). That is why CO is one of the top 3 states for non-medical exemptions in the USA: weak ass laws.

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Originally Posted by altasnob

Was perusing MMR child vaccine rates by state. Noticed CO, OR, and WA are amongst the lowest in the nation. That was surprising to me because all those states are amongst the highest in the nation for COVID vaccine. And ND is high for MMR but low for COVID. MA is highest for MMR and near the top for COVID too.

How do we explain this? One would think if you don't want to vaccinate your kid, you wouldn't take COVID vax, and vice versa. MA has the strongest public health program in the nation, so this shows public health can make make a difference (98% MMR vs 88 % for CO).

NYTimes article was saying the anti-vaccine movement really gained steam a few years before the pandemic when CA and TX sought to restrict the reasons one could get a medical exemption to MMR. Passed in CA, didn't pass in TX, but it fired up the anti-vaxers and got them to mobilize and here we are today.

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There are a lot of antvaxxers in Oregon...it's a mix of hippie types and born again Christians, at least that's been my experience. There are a few families who are rabbid Trump supporters that my kids go to school with who are not getting the COVID vaccinations (any of them) but did have MMR vaccination for their kids before the COVID pandemic hit. I know a few hippie types who wouldn't get any vaccinations for their kids and I know a couple born again christian fundy's that don't get any vaccinations. I think, in Oregon at least, one can opt out of vaccination and have kids attend public school for "personal beliefs" or for "philosophical" reasons. They don't need to be some religious exemption. I'm sure there are other states where this is the case as well.

Long story short, it's relatively easy to be an antivaxxer here, we have a high amount of hippie types, and we have a high amount of born again christian fundy's

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Originally Posted by altasnob

Was perusing MMR child vaccine rates by state. Noticed CO, OR, and WA are amongst the lowest in the nation. That was surprising to me because all those states are amongst the highest in the nation for COVID vaccine. And ND is high for MMR but low for COVID. MA is highest for MMR and near the top for COVID too.

How do we explain this? One would think if you don't want to vaccinate your kid, you wouldn't take COVID vax, and vice versa. MA has the strongest public health program in the nation, so this shows public health can make make a difference (98% MMR vs 88 % for CO).

NYTimes article was saying the anti-vaccine movement really gained steam a few years before the pandemic when CA and TX sought to restrict the reasons one could get a medical exemption to MMR. Passed in CA, didn't pass in TX, but it fired up the anti-vaxers and got them to mobilize and here we are today.

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It seems to me that the reason we don’t need, say, a measles vaccination record (stop using passport, it’s a vaccination record and I’ve had one since I was an infant) to enter a business or workplace is that we catch close to 90% of the population with school vaccination mandates before they ever reach 18.

So there is no to little need for businesses or government to need to verify vaccination status for diseases we routinely vaccinate for. Since this is a new disease we can’t catch most of the population when they are school age, so it is logical that business and government would impose the same proof requirements we put on a kindergartner to attend school.

If you follow the anti-vaccination record logic, I feel like we are shortly headed for a world where ~40% of the parent population is going to refuse to vaccinate their kids for anything at all.

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

why do you keep engaging with the dumb cunt? it's obvious he's a fucking nut job...

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Because he's spreading misinformation...either intentionally or accidentally. Take his comment that most rural and poor people are non-white...this statement was in relation to people not getting vaccinated. I think properly framing the convo so that people understand what is true and what is false is important because there's enough BS being thrown around. Personally, for a rural poor person why does race matter at all with regards to getting vaxed? I just don't get the singular focus on that demographic component to try to argue around vax IDs and encouraging vaccination.

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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Because he's spreading misinformation...either intentionally or accidentally. Take his comment that most rural and poor people are non-white...this statement was in relation to people not getting vaccinated. I think properly framing the convo so that people understand what is true and what is false is important because there's enough BS being thrown around. Personally, for a rural poor person why does race matter at all with regards to getting vaxed? I just don't get the singular focus on that demographic component to try to argue around vax IDs and encouraging vaccination.

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Please don't reply to me on this, just stop and think to yourself: why would this topic be relevant to any individual person trying to make any decision?

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Originally Posted by old goat

I think you're right. I know I've only seen one John Waters film. It was fun but one was enough for me.

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Was it the one where someone eats a poo?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I got carded in 04 at a film premiere in Vegas and I didnt look a day over 40,

I duno what they were looking for but they were carding everyone

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You can’t use a debit/credit card in Vegas without showing your ID.

Buy a bottle of water at CVS you need to show ID.

At least around the strip area.


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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Because he's spreading misinformation...either intentionally or accidentally.

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He's a lawyer. Probably a good one for his clients. I get it. ALWAYS uses the "But, but, your Honor". ALWAYS presenting the " what if's" and "Might be's" by nature of his professional practice and how his brain works, Fast typer too, I jealous. Problem is, that he is constantly posting his multi paragraph, muti question posts and that behavior slows the thread to an annoying crawl. He is preventing the spread of information here in PR more than spreading disinformation to the 15 of us. I have him on ignore to save time and screen space for the actually useful posts.

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You gotta wonder how many of these morans realize how goddamn stupid they've been while they're lying in the hospital hooked up to a vent.

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He's a lawyer. Probably a good one for his clients. I get it. ALWAYS uses the "But, but, your Honor". ALWAYS presenting the " what if's" and "Might be's" by nature of his professional practice and how his brain works, Fast typer too, I jealous. Problem is, that he is constantly posting his multi paragraph, muti question posts and that behavior slows the thread to an annoying crawl. He is preventing the spread of information here in PR more than spreading disinformation to the 15 of us. I have him on ignore to save time and screen space for the actually useful posts.

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If there's one piece of actual new information per page we're doing exceptionally well.
We all keep making the same arguments over and over. It's like arguing with my wife.

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Originally Posted by wooley12

He's a lawyer. Probably a good one for his clients. I get it. ALWAYS uses the "But, but, your Honor". ALWAYS presenting the " what if's" and "Might be's" by nature of his professional practice and how his brain works, Fast typer too, I jealous. Problem is, that he is constantly posting his multi paragraph, muti question posts and that behavior slows the thread to an annoying crawl. He is preventing the spread of information here in PR more than spreading disinformation to the 15 of us. I have him on ignore to save time and screen space for the actually useful posts.

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What a bunch of babies. You can't skim past people's post who you don't care about what they have to say? I've lived in places dominated by the right (Salt Lake City, Colorado Springs) and dominated by the left (Seattle, Portland, Olympia). You don't want any discussion to be dominated by one point of view. But you have me on ignore so you'll just keep on bitching. Keep TGR homogeneous!

From the Unmask Washington FB page. Feeling bad for anyone working to opening a new school year with this crazy being the new norm.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/hea...uckavp-ktmILJ8

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Originally Posted by altasnob

What a bunch of babies. You can't skim past people's post who you don't care about what they have to say? I've lived in places dominated by the right (Salt Lake City, Colorado Springs) and dominated by the left (Seattle, Portland, Olympia). You don't want any discussion to be dominated by one point of view. But you have me on ignore so you'll just keep on bitching. Keep TGR homogeneous!

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Buh Bye.

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Originally Posted by old goat

If there's one piece of actual new information per page we're doing exceptionally well.
We all keep making the same arguments over and over. It's like arguing with my wife.

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Yeah, been a down cycle for sure. Today has been a discouraging day for news in general and covid wise. I'm stuck in Iowa for the next 4.5 months so TGR becomes even less relevant to my life than normal and my attention has turned local. Schools with mask optional are a ticking time bomb here.

My girl is in orchestra instead of band now since they are having band classes like normal indoors with almost zero bells or split masks. Like 90 people in the room. It is crazy. The only real mitigation is two open windows with fans blowing out and maybe the HVAC system.. At least playing the violin she can wear her mask and the percentage of masked and (probably) vaxxed is higher for those lucky enough to be 12.

Plus it's a fucking fiddle which I wanted her to play all along. Some decisions are no brainers.

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Originally Posted by altasnob

What a bunch of babies. You can't skim past people's post who you don't care about what they have to say? I've lived in places dominated by the right (Salt Lake City, Colorado Springs) and dominated by the left (Seattle, Portland, Olympia). You don't want any discussion to be dominated by one point of view. But you have me on ignore so you'll just keep on bitching. Keep TGR homogeneous!

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Said it before and I’ll say it again.

Putting people on ignore is a bitch move (unless they are a legitimate troll).




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Originally Posted by wooley12

From the Unmask Washington FB page. Feeling bad for anyone working to opening a new school year with this crazy being the new norm.

https://www.kgw.com/article/news/hea...uckavp-ktmILJ8

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I miss that cesspool of insane people in UNMASK WA. They all say "what about the children's mental health?", to which the only proper reply is "what about YOUR mental health?". I hope you are doing some good subtle trolling in there. I took it too far with Chimp anuses and got booted.


I dropped my kid off for the first day of school at a school where 100% of staff are vaccinated, there is full mask compliance and our zip code is at 89% for the first shot.

I feel so bad for parent mags in the communities that are infested with loonies, having to send their cool grom to a school with parents protesting outside and teachers who are too selfish to get vaccinated. Sending vibes to all the Idaho, rural WA, Iowa, SC, TX, etc mag parents.

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Said it before and I’ll say it again.

Putting people on ignore is a bitch move (unless they are a legitimate troll).

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And this thread has those in *spades*...