"Eat Like A Predator, Not Like Prey": Paleo In Six Easy Steps, A Motivational Guide

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

I been eating these sprouted breads for a few years and it seems to go down good

http://www.silverhillsbakery.ca/

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Mashing sprouted whole grains into bread dough? Who woulda thunk? I like that idea. There is no reason why it wouldn't rise. Seems it would also make a good wholesome flatbread as well!

I must admit that when I was a very young kid, I actually preferred white Wonderbread over my mom's hearty, wholesome homemade bread. I'd take the crusts off, squish them up like dough..add some sugar and pop them into my mouth. It wasn't until I was a teen in the ski racing program that I began to see how good and healthy my mom's homemade bread and thick soups, etc really were!

Where did America go wrong when they started calling Wonderbread "BREAD"??? About the same time they started calling Tang a healthy replacement for orange juice????

Alaskan Rover:

People vary dramatically in their tolerance for Neolithic foods. Some people, like you and me, can eat quite a bit of wheat and junk food without any obvious short-term problems. Some people don't have any obvious allergies, but find they quickly lose 10-15 pounds just by eliminating gluten. Some (including several in this thread) find that they've resolved ongoing, intractable medical problems by eliminating all Neolithic foods. And some people find that even a single "cheat" causes major distress and relapse.

"Moderation" is only a useful concept when we know nothing. No one suggests we should eat a "moderate" amount of arsenic or smoke a "moderate" amount of PCP.

That being said, there are two major nutritional transitions in the archaeological record: Paleolithic to Neolithic (the farmer diet), and Neolithic to Industrial (the modern packaged Frankenfood diet). Each transition has caused massive health problems.

Therefore, rolling back from an Industrial to a Neolithic diet is likely to improve your health: sprouted grains and beans, homemade fermented foods, raw dairy, etc. Again, the WAPF is a great source of information on this.

As for myself, I choose to (mostly) roll back both transitions, to a mostly Paleolithic diet. I've studied the archaeological, biochemical, and historical evidence for many years now: the evidence, my own experience, and the experience of others leads me to believe that this is best for health, even though I don't experience any immediate bad effects. See the following articles:

http://www.gnolls.org/2982/anti-nutr...perimentation/

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For instance, here’s a seemingly reasonable statement:

1. “I ate corn for six months, and I didn’t gain weight or feel worse. Therefore corn is healthy to eat.”

It’s certainly tempting to make these sorts of statements—but I find that temptation is best resisted. To illustrate why, here’s an equivalent statement that we can all agree isn’t reasonable:

2. “I started smoking six months ago, and I feel fine. Therefore smoking is healthy.”

Permit me to drive the point home with force:

3. “I started eating strontium-90 six months ago, and I haven’t got cancer yet. Therefore radiation exposure is healthy.”
4. “I started shooting heroin six months ago. It’s solved all my anxiety issues, and I’ve lost twenty pounds! Therefore shooting heroin is healthy.”
5. “I started having unprotected sex with Tanzanian hookers six months ago, and I feel great! Therefore unprotected sex with high-risk strangers is healthy.”

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Yeah...I've been gradually getting to somewhere between a neolithic diet and a paleolithic one. The more I look at ingredient lists on various products in the stores, the more I realize that we REALLY don't need most of those ingredients. Look at the ingredients of a store-bought apple pie...huge amount of preservatives and thickeners!! When I make apple pie my ingredients are apples, sugar and cinnamon...and a good crust...nothing else is needed.

I already do lots of sprouting...i'm going to look into sprouting wheat and getting a stone-grinding mill (small counter-top one) and see about turning partly sprouted wheat into a workable flour. Then...sprouted-flour breads, bagels and flatbreads. Even if they don't rise normally, it will still be interesting experiment!

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Originally Posted by Alaskan Rover

Yeah...I've been gradually getting to somewhere between a neolithic diet and a paleolithic one. The more I look at ingredient lists on various products in the stores, the more I realize that we REALLY don't need most of those ingredients. Look at the ingredients of a store-bought apple pie...huge amount of preservatives and thickeners!! When I make apple pie my ingredients are apples, sugar and cinnamon...and a good crust...nothing else is needed.

I already do lots of sprouting...i'm going to look into sprouting wheat and getting a stone-grinding mill (small counter-top one) and see about turning partly sprouted wheat into a workable flour. Then...sprouted-flour breads, bagels and flatbreads. Even if they don't rise normally, it will still be interesting experiment!

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Also look into soaking and sprouting beans, if that's where you're at.

The reason sprouting improves nutrition is that you're turning a seed partially into a plant by letting it sprout. Seed proteins do double duty: they store protein so that the plant can grow when it germinates, and they also form lectins and etc. that are poisonous or indigestible to the animals and insects that would eat them. As the plant germinates, those offensive proteins are converted into the cells of the sprouting plant.

So sprouted bread is, in effect, made partially out of seeds and partially out of vegetables! :D

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

Find someone without an agenda and get evaluated. You're in close proximity to some of the best physicians in the country.

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I get very little feed back from my cardiologist. He pushes statins in a big way and I will not take them. They cause severe muscle problems for me.

He looks at the 277 and that's it.

Get a second or third opinion and find someone you trust. Be upfront about your concerns and take medical records if you have them. Forty years old is way too young.

on a less biological note...
can anyone reccomend a good paleo recipe book? i'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere in the previous 40 pages but...
we do a lot of recipes from the usual blogs but wanted to get the wife a good book for xmas.

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

Get a second or third opinion and find someone you trust. Be upfront about your concerns and take medical records if you have them. Forty years old is way too young.

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Turn 60 This month! FKNA! Looking like crazy for an MD who can address this but most see one number... 277 and go straight to statins.

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Originally Posted by Mazderati

Get a second or third opinion and find someone you trust. Be upfront about your concerns and take medical records if you have them. Forty years old is way too young.

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Paleo Comfort Foods
Everyday Paleo
Primal Cravings
Nom Nom Paleo
...just to name a few. Also, Well Fed (from the Whole9/Whole30) is a great place for basic stuff that you can turn into more detailed cooking.

did the full blood work, eating a high protien/high fat/lower carb/smaller portions and doc loves all my numbers except for the A1C which I am keeping at 7 and so wants to put me on metformin but fuck taht

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Originally Posted by rather ripped

I get very little feed back from my cardiologist. He pushes statins in a big way and I will not take them. They cause severe muscle problems for me.

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There is a reasonable biochemical argument that muscular degeneration is inherent in the way statins work, i.e. everyone will experience it to some degree.

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Originally Posted by rather ripped

Looking like crazy for an MD who can address this but most see one number... 277 and go straight to statins.

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www.primaldocs.com
www.paleophysiciansnetwork.com

I bought a bag of coconut flour for the first time. Will try fermenting it with kefir, like sourdough. Then mix with some baking soda and fry some kind of flatbread/tortilla/pancake shape out of it. Something to wrap around meat and eggs for food to go.

Also want to try using it to make crab cakes and sausage balls stick together.

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Originally Posted by altachic

Paleo Comfort Foods
Everyday Paleo
Primal Cravings
Nom Nom Paleo
...just to name a few. Also, Well Fed (from the Whole9/Whole30) is a great place for basic stuff that you can turn into more detailed cooking.

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I'll Add PaleOMG to this list, Julie's recipes are killer. She has some of the most consistently good recipes I've found.

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Originally Posted by Spats

There is a reasonable biochemical argument that muscular degeneration is inherent in the way statins work, i.e. everyone will experience it to some degree.

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But you're not suggesting that I take statins anyways, right?

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Originally Posted by iamTRuTH

I'll Add PaleOMG to this list, Julie's recipes are killer. She has some of the most consistently good recipes I've found.

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that's our go-to blog.

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Originally Posted by rather ripped

But you're not suggesting that I take statins anyways, right?

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No, I'm suggesting that no one should take them. Even OTC interventions like Vitamin D will increase your survival rate more than a statin, and the side effects are all good instead of all bad.

I believe that statins will bankrupt Medicare: decades of statination will leave us with millions of senile and crippled Boomers requiring 24-hour care just as the bulk of them hits SS/Medicare age. The only thing that will save us is that the patents will expire and Big Pharma will start pushing other drugs...alas, none of the new crop seems to do very well:
http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2013/12...e-failure-yet/

Bonus reading:
http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2013/12...-its-official/

Awesome recipes:
http://www.thedomesticman.com

Spat, curious - are you familiar with Red Yeast Rice and its use in place of statins?

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Originally Posted by GimpToo

Spat, curious - are you familiar with Red Yeast Rice and its use in place of statins?

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My doctor tried me on that, it had the same reaction as statins. Fatigue and compromised strength with soreness.

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Originally Posted by GimpToo

Spat, curious - are you familiar with Red Yeast Rice and its use in place of statins?

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Red yeast rice isn't "in place of statins": red yeast rice IS a statin, because lovastatin *is* the compound "monacolin K" isolated from red yeast rice.

As such, red yeast rice has exactly the same effects as prescription lovastatin, except the dose is completely unpredictable -- and you're also getting a random amount of other phytochemicals at unknown dosages and with unpredictable effects.

Thus, I would not consume red yeast rice for the same reason I wouldn't take statins -- plus a few more.

^^^Thanks for the info.

"This is Your Brain on Gluten" article in the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...gluten/282550/

Looks like it would be of interest to this thread. It references a new-ish book, "Grain Brain" by Dr. David Perlmutter that has been on the best seller list for a while. Spats, have you read it/heard about it?

I just finished "Why we Get Fat" by Gary Taubes that I really liked. It's the more reader-friendly version of "Good Calories, Bad Calories." I liked the way WWGF explained the science of insulin spikes and addressed the counter points of the arguments, such as how cholesterol, etc.

Can't say I DON'T eat carbs, but I do feel better when I don't. Sometimes they just say taste so good...

Haven't read either book -- but based on the stuff Perlmutter and Davis (and Taubes) post on their respective blogs and the reviews I've read from people I trust, they're "based on a true story", but oversimplified and exaggerated.

Note that I gave the basic scientific explanation above, in this thread (possible additional factors: gluten exorphins, WGA)...but that doesn't get you a book contract. You have to push "One Weird Trick To Lose Belly Fat" to do that.

That being said, will almost everyone be healthier eating no grains, and fewer carbs in general? Yes. So I don't spend time railing against the exaggerations: I'm much more concerned with the 95% of the population that still believes margarine and whole-wheat bagels are healthy.

I don't care either way.. Just saw this today and thought I'd throw it in here for y'all to chew on.

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-paleo-...s-o-1496507835

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Originally Posted by grskier

I don't care either way.. Just saw this today and thought I'd throw it in here for y'all to chew on.

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KPR's top-rated comment nails it:

"How do you get "cavemen actually at tons of carbs, according to new research" when that research actually states "some ancient populations" ate sweet acorns, which is based on the analysis of ONLY 14 skull of more than 100 burials excavated in ONE CAVE? That's less than 14 per cent.

You must have completely skipped over the part of the article that says, "Still, the carb-loading cave dwellers were probably the exception, not the rule" or "less than 2 percent of Stone Age foragers had cavities." It's bullshit reporting like this that can cause a lot of harm to a well-researched and one of the most highly respected dietary regimes in history of health science."

More notes: this is from just 15,000 years ago, right at the very end of the Upper Paleolithic, just before agriculture. Let's talk about the other 2.5 million years for a while...

...not to mention if you want to make the case that PALEOS ATE BREAD!!!1!!!1, you bring up Ohalo II in Israel from 19 KYa, which shows clear evidence that at least one group living in one dwelling did a meaningful amount of wild grain processing. Not acorns, grains.

Conclusion: The author of this article is a monumental dipshit who isn't even familiar with the basic anthropology in the field. Remember, the point of media isn't to be right: it's to sell advertising. The easiest way to get lots of clicks on your article is to make people mad by posting MONUMENTALLY STUPID CRAP. Presto -- ad revenue!

As Paleo becomes more popular, you will see more and more naked dipshittery like this, because it gets RAGECLICKS. I called this trend years ago:

http://www.gnolls.org/2199/you-are-a...inous-stage-3/

Listening to all of the nutritional experts and they seem to be sticking with Whole Grain unless you are Celiac or similar. They are still recommending low fat, but watch out for sugar.

Presently, we are eating no grains, no milk/dairy and no legumes. I continue to eat sugar in the form of Reeces (peanut - legumes). Wonder if I am on the right track? Why so many in the other camp continue to stay with the old?