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Did anyone get time on the newest green/blue diamond spurs? Care to comment, Was reading back and it seems like when they started to get discussed the topic went a little tangential into other spur vintages and different skis? Or maybe I missed it
I skied them for a couple/few runs @ a demo day 2 yrs ago on a very inappropriate day for a 129@ 189 waisted ski. They handled conditions quite well and I had a good time on them. Same build as Rustler(?-WBack). They were pretty light as I remember. Fun ski, I could see them being quite fun in softer snowAttachment 384885
Ya I was pretty interested in these then read a few online reviews. Reviews weren’t that inspiring…and hard to find. Haven’t met anyone who has skied them.
They seem pretty directional. I like my pow skis more surfy. Eg. Own Icelantic Nomad 115s, Dynastar Protos, Blizzard Rustler 11s. The new Spur mount point is in that -10 to -11 cm territory. Which always upsets me. Haha.
I do like the graphic though. I wish my Rustler 11s and Rustler 9s had similar top sheets.
I love my Rustlers, but the topsheets belong on rental skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
A lot of Blizzard topsheets are pretty terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!
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I kinda disagree as their main design criteria seemingly is to make sure that they are not disliked by lots of folks, not that they are loved by lots. Kinda uninspiring yes, but they look plenty good on snow and do not sabotage sales to the masses. As such, they sound like plenty good graphics to me :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian
IDK man. Really no less directional than the proto w/ basically same tip and tail dims and wider waist. Should surf just fine!Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I don't think those mounting recs have been chiseled in stone either, I mean.....
Maybe I shouldn’t have said “are” and should have said “have been”.Quote:
Originally Posted by kid-kapow
Since the first AB Bodacious came out, they had a few good looking skis, and a lot of really terrible sheets. Until they went with the more simple solid colours. Even now they have a handful of good ones, but most are pretty un-inspiring. I would rather get a used green R11 than a NIP orange/red pair.
But the shop-rat Bonafide 97 is the hawtness. It’s the first new/new ski I’ve bought in a long time.
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I like Blizzard and Kastle top sheets for their plain and solid lines and tame as much as I dislike MOMENT and most K2 top sheets for their outrageous "artsy" look. Having said that, IMHO, so far as top sheets go, no one comes close to PRAXIS.
Also, Blizzard is responsible for my favorite top sheet ever aka Titan Pro and Titan 9.
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Looking to move on from my 184 v4 mantra (100 flat underfoot) for a hard snow daily
Likes: old katana, mantra above, AB bodacious,
Didn’t like: enforcer, invictus ti
PNW, Alpental, Whistler, stevens etc etc etc (other in quiver : bodacious, automatic 109, a big fat powder stick, and some dynafit beast 108 with tech)
Bonafide 97?
Last years bonafide - can find cheap
Mantra 102 - can find cheap
M6 mantra?
M5 mantra - can find cheap
Black diamond daemon? Justis?
Like: minimal to no camber, metal, more traditional mount point (at least on the more traditional side)
Owned the M4 184 Mantra (subtle full rocker, 100-mm waist). The evolution of that ski is the Mantra M102…but it’s better. You listed a few other great skis, but it’s the M102 you are after. It would be my Stevens Pass daily driver, but I bought the Katana K108 and like that better…or rather it was better for our 600” season last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
Thanks man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I really like the Bodacious, so much that I have a AB 186, and a “Spur’d” 193.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
I’ve picked up a 189 Bonafide 97 to be my skinny ski. I was using a 185 Cochise, but it felt short and 193 seemed a little long for an every day/low tide ski.
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Nice, did you get on the 97 end of last year? (Can’t remember when it was released)Quote:
Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian
VPM, you might also consider the Black Crows Corvus. It's flat under foot, lighter and probably looser than the Volkls, but it can still haul, and is really fun and capable on hard snow.
I wasn’t able to get onto a demo, but I was made an offer I couldn’t refuse on a pair, so I figured if it didn’t like them I could just sell them the to the Collective.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
And like the other poster said, the Daemon and Corvus are both possible replacements if the B97 doesn’t work out. Low, reverse camber and flat tails.
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I've got an OG 183 Katana, that's nearly flawless, that I picked up last year. The few times I skied it, I wasn't overly impressed. I keep thinking I should give it more chances, but I could be persuaded to part with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
:)
(I'm not really trying to sell it, but like I said, I could be convinced.)
I've now got two pairs of the OG Bodacious, which I like much better, so perhaps I should just enjoy skiing them until I or the skis wear out. (Likely me.)
I didn't love the old orange Bonafide. It was solid, but kinda "Meh" compared to the Cochise. (Super "meh" compared to the OG Cochise.)
I've not skied either, but the new Cochise, or the new Katana seem like good options.
(Though for a semi *hard snow* ski, both seem less than ideal. Kastle FX94,95,96 or MX instead?)
Brahma?
I've gone a bit extreme, and my hard snow ski is a GS ski. Once it's even moderately soft, I go to the Cochise or Bodacious.
If I could find a cheap pair of Kastle FX-HP's or MX (90-100mm) I'd probably do that.
Looking for a second opinion (or 3rd, 4th, or 5th…this is pre-winter TGR after all) on Rustler 11 length for my 17-yo son. He is 155-lbs and 5’ 10”. Pretty Athletic and hits the gym to do strength training 4-5 times a week. His daily driver is a Mantra M102 in 184 length.
I’m looking for a fatter travel ski to complement his M102’s. He had 185 Enforcer 110’s in this slot last year but claimed they had a speed limit, which he isn’t wrong about.
So, I picked up some 180 Rustler 11’s for him. but am a little worried they will be too short. We take trips to Whistler (fingers crossed for this season) and UT every year, so this would be fat ski that nobody buys anymore part of the quiver.
Thoughts?
I had my 17yo and similar size on the 180 last year and he loved them. He's grown a bit and I'm debating the 188 for him. I'm probably going to give him some of my hand me down BGs for his fat ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I think Bandit Jr will be fine on either, but depends on how hard/fast he's pushing them. If he's going to grow and get stronger, probably go 188. I'm sure you have stuff in the demo fleet he can find to use.
Hey banditman,
If he likes the 184cm M102...then he would like the 188cm R11. As I found the 177cm M102 long feeling, and I love the 180cm R11.
Hoping to see you at Whistler this winter.
KC
Year? 2013 and if willing to ship to a canuckistanian I'd be willing to buy it yesterday for a fair price. But do at least take it out more, those skis deserve to be drove. Hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregorys
I have a pair, probably got about 10-15 days on them last winter. I had them mounted with light touring bindings(MTN). I liked them a lot for the day after a storm when things were starting to settle and have wind/sun affect. I think the faster nature of that snow suited them much better than deep/fresh pow where I frequently felt like I couldn’t get going fast enough to really enjoy the stability and directionality.Quote:
Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac
Ultimately, I think I’ll be selling them this fall as I ski in more confined terrain on the deeper days and want something a bit more nimble and fun at lower speeds.
@Phatty and @kc_7777 - thanks for the input. He does like to ski fast and I do believe that the 180 could be a frustrating limitation. Perhaps there will be some drilled once minty R11 180’s in GS soon…unless anyone wants to trade for some 188’s. [emoji16]
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You are welcome to borrow mine. Need big feet, though. My son wears a 28.5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
My answer to everything.
Find some Bodacious'.
Seriously. I've seen a few pop up around on CL etc.
(I picked up a spare 186 OG pair for ~$100 flat last spring. Search tempest is your friend.)
If the Enforcer was not stable enough that will fix that. (Though it's not like the Bodacious is "playful" - depending on how much that matters.)
I'd be skeptical, putting a crazy 17yo on Russlers, either size, when he felt the enforcers weren't stout enough.
(I ski with one of my good friends' 17y/o and he's crushing it. Dad's not as stupid as I, so the son and I get on great, skiing together.)
I thought the 186 Enforcer 104's were not enough ski. Too turny. Tail was too washy. Didn't like to be driven. Love my 188 Rustler 11's. Also like 185 Cochises, 188 Corvus. Rustlers are less damp but they will track straight through all sorts of snow. They're an easy ski that doesn't object to being skied hard.
I think it's the 2011-2012 version.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnakeMagnet
These... (though in 183)
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As for giving them more of a chance - I should probably put some early days on them this year, and decide one way or the other. It's not like they're bad, they're just not quite as good as the rest of the quiver.
I think N1CK wanted first right of refusal. (He picked them up from the CL seller, and shipped them to me. He said, IIRC, they were the "mint-est" pair of used skis he'd ever seen.)
It's too bad I haven't liked them more. (I'll move it to GS, should I decide to pass them to someone else.)
I have 188’s with STH2 16’s but I’m a 25.5 and he is a 27.5, so he cannot ski them. Might have to take you up on that offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatty
He probably would like an OG Bodacious. I still kick myself that I sold a pair of the second year 186 model for like $200 with only a few days on them. What was I thinking?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by gregorys
..One year too early. The search continues, and N1CK can keep his right unchallenged.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregorys
DGMW much as i'd wish to make up for lost time on those legendary sticks, old skis are old skis. Not by outdated design, just flat out old materials exposed to the elements/worn out by use/who-knows-what-the-fuck. If i'm going more than a couple years back, it's to ski them into the ground and then put them on the wall (or pairing ancient straights with a fart bag for those days). And for that I demand the Dragon topsheets to go opposite the Mantras I picked up recently.
B.O.T.
If a 17 year old's complaining about 185 E110's having a speed limit, Rustlers I feel are definitely gonna fold over on him, esp should he fill in and get heavier in the following years. 188 to 185 is not a huge gap. Bodes, Ranger 115, BG's, maybe one step up to the E115 off the top of my head. Honestly a bit more info on how he goes down the mountain would narrow things down. Hard to tell if he wants something with stickier edge grip to the snow like the M102, or just wants more heft to smooth out the crap. Ex. the Wildcat compliments the m102 because I savor the soft and naturally back off the aggression, but the long radius keeps it grounded and the ski still has plenty of gas when desired.
There's probably enough adjustment to get him in one of my pairs if you want a demo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
There are still a few pairs of the black remade OG floating around out there if you look hard enough. You may want to email MT Hood Meadows. I know they had an old demo pair that was still available late last season but they may have sold since I looked at them last.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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Had a chat with this guy some time ago and he was pretty happy skiing them in tight spots ! Mount point was pushed further +1 or 2 tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by m04e1d
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What didn’t you like about them? Or was it just time to move along to try new?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I liked them just fine. IIRC, this happened the winter I was unexpectedly laid off from my job. Single income household with a bunch of kids meant I panicked and sold a bunch of stuff. Oh well, I hope the new owner skied the heck out of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by AEvospace
sell away, I don't need 'em! thanks for remembering though.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregorys
(and yes they really were truly as-new)
I picked up a pair of R11 188’s with demo bindings this summer. Perhaps we could swap for a few runs with your K108 191’s at Crystal this winter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...acious-w-STH13Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
I say go for it if you can. I'd have to re-mount if I did, and that might just fit jr's BSL.
Same here...Quote:
Originally Posted by HAB
I've got demos on two pairs. (True OG's and the newer black ones.)
BM; - you guys come to MHM/PDX and I'll hook you up for a day.