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Took these puppies out today for the first time this season. Got about 15" of medium density pow in about 8 hours this morning. Challenging conditions for some, but the Renegades made it effortless, both when fresh and in the chop. They're not the same caliber as the Owls, but damn they really do take the skiing to the POW dimension!
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I took out my 196 Renegades today , I’ve never skied them since I bought them late last winter. I should have skied them earlier this season on soft snow days. Incredibly fun. Deep wind buff and cream cheese. They’re really effortless turning but are quite damp for their weight. Get them on edge and they rail soft groomers. I’m really surprised how versatile and accessible these are. They’re the green and white graphic ones.
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One of my great regrets in life is selling my 196 owls.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
Now I’m obsessed with getting the 195 Hoji of the same vintage, red and white. I have the 190 blue and white Ravens
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I had those in a 187 (red), and the older ones (blue).
The red ones were the first lighter layup. The hojis of this era don't match the raven, ren rocker profile as Elan interpreted reflect tech more literally and they are TOO rockered. They are super easy to swivel, but lots of wheely action. I sold them to an advanced level friend and it brought his skiing to the next level. Still has a solid flex though.
I just got the updated version, and they are better. Like the ravens and the rens, they have a more mellow RC under foot, then tip and tail splay. Old hojis are like a rocking chair.
Forgive the dorky videos, but you can see their style a bit better:
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This was done while testing the TLT8, so they worked even with a light boot. (Skiing starts about halfway in, to skip the artsy bullshit)
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man... that first video looks so fun. cool zone.
yeah I had the white/red hojis, and still have the white/blue 190 ravens + white/green & black/green 196 renegades
I agree that the Hojis were a totally different ski at that time. better for super low-angle mellow fun, but not as good as the Ren/Raven anywhere else.
I haven't been on the newer models, since mine are all still alive & well. But considering a new Hoji as a pin-binding touring option with lighter boots next season. I'm kinda torn though since I'm not sure I'll be gaining much vs my existing skis... other than a less Swiss-cheese mounting situation.
The new hojis just fill the spot of "I'm always taking it out if it's soft" touring. Basically all the time, cuz they handle crust really well, they don't weight much more than the OG raven (wood/black), and 4lock is the best thing to happen to touring gear in the last 5 years. The hojis are the fattest ski that still fits in perfectly into euro skin tracks, cuz the tips aren't fat.
I've got them mounted with light bindings: Rad Toe, FR14 heel. No brake, no adjustment track style. Right at the weight I stop noticing.
It's nice to be able to pop off the tails on the new ones. I've been skiing camber with lifts, but the Hoji might be the best all around touring ski ever made. Red version was close, but with less rocker, it's been determined!
This is good info. I’m negotiating with blurred for some 195 Hojis. They have a raptor graphic. Are they more in line with Raven/Renegade?
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I'm not really sure about what graphics came after the Reds. But they were more like the new Rens. Reds and after with sizes 187 and 195 are the lighter layup. 1950g in 187. Blue mountain/Tent, Black sea/boat, pilsner (old), and dark red/black are all the heavy layup. 2200g in 187.
I think the Dark Red/Black had a heavier layup possibly, but the first with the lower tips (EHP like).
They are all good though, as long as you understand about the super rocker.
Is this the de facto 4frnt thread where I can rave about the 194 devastators I got recently? They've been amazing every time I've been on them, even the 1m+ stashes I was finding at whistler were a blast with these bad boys. So nimble for getting into it in the trees and I can still straight line or cave the groomers without any worries. I'm definitely not as fast on these as other skis but I'm having more fun.
that's a bummer to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by eSock
The OG 194 Dev's were faster than other skis (except renegades). Makes sense with the new ones being much lighter though.
My OG's have been relegated to early/late season rock skis, but they're still going strong.... probably the best spring slush crushers out there anyways!
I want an old school layup 190cm devastator. The old school 194cm were to much heft for my average sized manhood.
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I don’t know a ton about the devastator shape, but if you’re looking for a heavy reverse camber versatile shape, the HL 110 is real goodQuote:
Originally Posted by skinipenem
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I demoed the HL FR110 and those things truck as PNC mentioned, def look that way if that's what you're looking for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Judo Chop!
Thx guys! I was just talking with charlesj today about calling Marshal and looking into an HL ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by eSock
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I'm probably going to buy the 186 Dev as I want a lighter ski to complement my heavy quiver. I LOVE my Rens. Such a cool ski. I still am not sure how to describe it. Leaning into the front of the ski to initiate the turn and then stay in it or roll back to neutral to slash or slarve. So fun.
Love my ravens for everyday touring. Only complaint is they do have a speed limit and (mounted with <200g bindings) are not pulling double duty as a travel ski that might involve chairs. I also need (want) a new inbounds soft snow crud charger and tree ski. My instinct says to swiss cheese the latest gen hojis and they should fill my cup for resort days and a no regrets mid-winter travel option. But… always bring your renegades? I think the rens are outside my touring weight limit, but Im keeping an open mind. What would I be primarily missing with hojis vs rens?
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Not really answering your question, but if you’re looking for a reverse camber, crud crushing, do it all soft snow ski, the heritage labs fr110 is reeeeeally goodQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Utah
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I’m a total 4FRNT fan (own Ravens + Rens with Duke PTs and Hojis with CAST).Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
None of the 4FRNTs have seen inbounds snow since I got the FR110’s dialed. The FR110 is like a heavier, Hoji. They eat crud.
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The new hoji is a much better ski than the new renegade IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Utah
The hoji skis pow and hard snow well and is a little less portly at 2050g in the 191.
Yep, it’s so good. If I’m looking for a touring version of the fr110, would that be the Raven? Leaning that way over the hoji for a little more icy couloir performance and weight savings.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
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HL BC110, but I’d say the raven does a good job tooQuote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
Yeah, good point. Not sure I can justify a $700 ski, especially when a used raven can be found for cheap, but bc110 would be sweetQuote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
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woah. hot take.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
did the Hoji get that much better? or the ren worse?
I haven't tried the new stuff since the 195/196 gens, which I still hoard.
back then, the Hojis were 'easy' and the Reds were chargey. pretty straightforward distinction. is it not the same anymore?
Will def look more at the fr110!
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I've been on some version of the renegade since the first year of production- while I would say the current shape of the 191 is super dialed, the construction is getting worse and worse. I broke a pair in half right in front of the binding about 10 days in, to 4frnts credit they sent me a new single super quick for 150 bucks. The pair that didn't break has a pretty massive delam going on the tip after about 20 days. I get it that hoji wants a lighter ski for touring, but this thing just isn't built the way it used to be. Tip profile is too thin, thing looks like it would fall apart just looking at it. I'll keep riding them because it's still awesome, but just isn't the build quality it used to be. Such a shame skiing has gone in this super light equipment direction...
They’re not even light, Utopie is just a shit place to build skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by pow314
The whiterooms rens were lighter in their last years than the utopie ones and much more durable.
My buddy has a pair of 1st year raven graphic/wood sidewall 186cm rens with 2 or 2.5 mounts (currently for px15 for around 305ish mm). He isn't skiing them anymore. If someone is interested i can get some pics
Don’t overlook the HL C90. Punches above its weight for 90 underfoot and skis shitty refrozen snow way better than it should. I mounted mine at -8 and they’re very much like a skinny RavenQuote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
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Count me as interested.Quote:
Originally Posted by chewski
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Ok i just texted him to get some picturesQuote:
Originally Posted by Brasso
Are they versatile enough to be a one ski touring quiver? 90 underfoot seems like on the narrow side for a do it allQuote:
Originally Posted by MagnificentUnicorn
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I have wider touring skis and I would definitely choose those if I knew the snow would be deeper than 10-12”. They are surprisingly fun in the new snow that I’ve had them in, 4-6” of graupel and snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by PeachesNCream
The C90 is just surprisingly competent in a wide variety of snow, corn, slush, icy irregular crust, wind crust etc. I plan on using them for all spring touring and mid winter when it hasn’t snowed in a while. They’re a great complement for the Ravens.
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Is there a 4frnt thread for raven questions or is that what this is?
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The Raven - Hoji's New Masterpiece
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Originally Posted by shank
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I really dig these. Looks like they gained ~100g from last year?
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Lies and deceit, there is no change in listed specs from last year:
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The current version 191 is the most versatile powder ski I’ve ever been on. I only have ~15 days on em, so I can’t speak to its durability or build. Loved the OG 196, but the new 191 has a wider range.