ON3P SKIS Discussion

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Originally Posted by lineskier@east

Looking for some advice. I'm on the East Coast and looking for a all mountain ski. I like to ski goomers fast and also ski a lot of tight trees. While edge to edge performance is important I also want something that can float a little for the occasional east coast pow as well as backcountry trips and trips out west. I really like the sound of woodsman but I'm having a hard time deciding between the 96 and 102. I currently ski a 105 waist ski every day out year and I never feel like its two big so I'm leaning towards the 102. My only concern about the `102 is potentially too much tip rocker and the turn radius not being tight enough, are there any alternative mounting options that could fix that? Any info would be appreciated

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I have the Woodsman 96s, just tried the 108s for the first time on a mix of ice/man made mank/an inch of new snow. Was shocked at how well the 108s could still hold an edge, felt invincible on anything soft, felt I could still do very quick turns (gave up only a little compared to the 96s). Others said that they didn't like them as much in the moguls but I found they were absolutely perfect with the tip rocker and the tail which gives you stability but easy to release. It was enough that my father in law who skis Wren 88s started asking about a pair. If you're going to go with one ski, then a 102 would probably be perfect. I found that the 96s work on anything except true ice after a freeze thaw cycle, on which days you want some metal.

Saw a guy on what looked like steeples at mt bach fri/sat, when I asked what model they were he said he had no idea but they were fun.

I'd think the steeple isn't a random yard sale ski you'd end up on but I guess I was wrong.

I dropped off my Wrenegades with Steeple top sheets at a consignment place during my last trip. I was quite clear that they were Wrenegades, but you know how those places are.

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Originally Posted by detrusor

That’s moving vehicle shit right there. Skis are owed. Def don’t lend them your girlfriend


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I laffed!

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Quick update on the jeffrey 108s -- after a base tune, they skied awesome today. I could tell immediately. Night and day.
Felt like christmas in march. What a great ski. I should have asked for advice earlier. Anyhow, a good learning experience.
For me, the kartel/jeff 98s, 108s, and billy goats make a perfect three-ski quiver.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Wonder if those blems happened making these.

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Small world - I get Conundrum’s blems and a few days later send him my WD116 through GS..

3 days on the SG in less than ideal conditions, but I gotta say, these are rockets. I hit 50+ mph multiple times on day 1 without even pushing them. Excited to get them in some actual snow (though looks like that might be next year for us in the Inland NW)..

I have no new insight to add to what has been said above other than I was pretty surprised how good these were on groomers. Thanks SkiLyft with the push I needed to pull the trig.


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I ended up buying a pair of what I guess are some iteration of wrenegades from the same local guy that I bought my 186 wren 102s from. They have a cease and desist topsheet with proto on them. They’re 114 underfoot and 191 and damned if they don’t ski very much like my favorite skis of all time 192 bro models.

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Originally Posted by Chugachjed

I ended up buying a pair of what I guess are some iteration of wrenegades from the same local guy that I bought my 186 wren 102s from. They have a cease and desist topsheet with proto on them. They’re 114 underfoot and 191 and damned if they don’t ski very much like my favorite skis of all time 192 bro models.

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Those are the legendary aveergreen Wrens. Protos from the first year of the wren 108 when he was bitching a lot about them getting shorter.

Probably a kickass special ski. I think they are a mix of what ended up as the wren 114 with the older style rocker profile.

Sick find!

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

Those are the legendary aveergreen Wrens. Protos from the first year of the wren 108 when he was bitching a lot about them getting shorter.

Probably a kickass special ski. I think they are a mix of what ended up as the wren 114 with the older style rocker profile.

Sick find!

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This place is awesome. Where else can you ask a question about a random 6 year old prototype ski and automatically somebody knows. Thanks. They are great skis.

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Originally Posted by nwags41

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Small world - I get Conundrum’s blems and a few days later send him my WD116 through GS..

3 days on the SG in less than ideal conditions, but I gotta say, these are rockets. I hit 50+ mph multiple times on day 1 without even pushing them. Excited to get them in some actual snow (though looks like that might be next year for us in the Inland NW)..

I have no new insight to add to what has been said above other than I was pretty surprised how good these were on groomers. Thanks SkiLyft with the push I needed to pull the trig.


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Those are pretty sweet. U scored big man!!


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Originally Posted by Tahoepa

Those are pretty sweet. U scored big man!!

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Understatement of the week - those are fekking spectacular!

My first impression of BG108tours is that they ski just about as you'd expect them to. They are fun, surprisingly strong/stable for their weight and look fekking sensational. I kept thinking "should I have ordered a pair of BGtours as well?" as I skied them. I did find them to ski quite differently than BMT109s (re the comparison earlier in the thread), but I need to A-B them more to provide more detail on how.

Then I tried my Woodsman108tours.

Holy moly - they are great. I do not know why, but I just seem to click a lot better with them than the BG108ts. Like I had fun on my BG108s, but skiing W108ts felt like being on skis I've been on forever and know really well - so instant stoke.

I was a bit concerned that their/W108t's rounder flex and lower weight would give up too much umph for them to still ski solidly and that the shovels would bend to easily when loaded in heavier snow (causing abrupt turns). I did not find either to be the case at all. Sure, they feel a bit different than regular Woodsman108s, in fact - the tails resemble Dynastar M-Free108s quite a bit, perhaps even more so than the tails of regular first year Woodsman108s. The tails are supportive, but pretty effortless to bend into whatever turn shape you want to (even change mid turn) in soft snow. As such they are a lot more forgiving than regular Woodsman108/116s tails that like to pump off stuff to gain more speed (not as in punishing, just more lets giddy up type tails). And yes, you def notice that there is less mass. But you just adjust to it and how they like to ski, and pop off stuff more than just hate fuck your way through stuff. This makes them a lot fun. So for those that want something closer to Jeffrey108s wrt playfulness, but with Woods' shape and mount point, regular layup Woodsman ordered with a rounder flex could well be the ticket.

To be fair, it was my first day back on skis after two weeks off and we got 10cm of fresh and decent visibility to boot - so the conditions where fairly ideal and the stoke level through the roof, but still - Woodsman108tours is one of the funnest skis I've been on all year.

The similarities to MF108 continues into deeper, denser fresh snow where I feel the stiffness of regular layup Woodsman108s and 116s shines more. But for playing around in soft variable Woodsman108tours is a shit ton of fun and the giggle factor was real. I imagine that they will perform really well in drier snow as well.

Are they perfection? No. I still feel like they need to be bedded in a bit more before I give them their ultimate rating - aka see if a few quirks I noticed is due to their edges still being sharp or their shape - but nothing major.

So two days of resort skiing later (I always try to figure out my touring skis in the resort before going to the backcountry with them), the purchase of BG108Ts and W108Ts is more than justified - awesome skis. Highly recommended.

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I've been on BGs for the past few years as my inbounds ski and they're incredible for me. I have confidence in tricky places I haven't had since I was 13. I've been struggling all year to get comfortable on my Raven touring set up, and ready to just give up and go with what I know works for me. I recall reading/hearing somewhere that the BG108T don't have RES, did I just make that up? Can anyone comment how they turn compared to normal BGs?

I'm unconcerned with being able to blast through skiied up powder, but I find the BG so intuitive to turn on in deep snow, whether it's slashing the tails out to scrub speed or a more traditional turn, and if need be I'll go for the BG116T to retain that ability, though the 108 width would work better for what I do.

BG108T does have RES. I accidentally said it doesn't but went back and edited that post. I meant to say it's not assym. They are just a touch easier going than the standard BG.

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Originally Posted by eggsbenedict

I've been on BGs for the past few years as my inbounds ski and they're incredible for me. I have confidence in tricky places I haven't had since I was 13. I've been struggling all year to get comfortable on my Raven touring set up, and ready to just give up and go with what I know works for me. I recall reading/hearing somewhere that the BG108T don't have RES, did I just make that up? Can anyone comment how they turn compared to normal BGs?

I'm unconcerned with being able to blast through skiied up powder, but I find the BG so intuitive to turn on in deep snow, whether it's slashing the tails out to scrub speed or a more traditional turn, and if need be I'll go for the BG116T to retain that ability, though the 108 width would work better for what I do.

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108 has RES, but is not asymmetrical like the 116. My resort goat is the non asym version so I can't comment on how that makes a difference.

It feels like a goat, but a bit lighter. I like the 108 a lot, I think it's the right weight for a mid winter touring ski and it floats way above its width.

There are definitely some more thorough reviews of it in this thread if you skip back some.

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FWIW I notice very little difference between by 12/13 non-asym Billy Goats and my 20/21 asym BGTs. I'm sure if I directly compared them run-to-run on the same boots & bindings I'd be able to notice something, but I'd certainly say that a non-asym BG108T is going to be close enough to the same feel that you'll be happy.

Has anyone skied firm spring corn on their BGT108s yet? I absolutely love my 116s in soft snow, but they’re a bit too loose for my tastes when things firm up.

I pulled the trigger on 184 BG Tours this winter. I love them, but kinda wish I had gone 179. If anyone has 179's and wants to trade, let me know. Long shot.

Cool, thanks guys. Will grab some BG108T for next year!

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Originally Posted by eggsbenedict

... I've been struggling all year to get comfortable on my Raven touring set up, and ready to just give up and go with what I know works for me. ... if need be I'll go for the BG116T to retain that ability, though the 108 width would work better for what I do.

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BG108t is the ski you are seeking. They ski like what they are - a lighter, narrower BG that retains both the regular pivotability of BGs as well as more stability than they ought to given their very competitive weight.

I too never got along with Ravens. They are a lot of fun in deep fresh, but not my cup of tea everywhere else - hell, I preferred Hojis to them 10/10 times. Since I do not buy 102mm skis to shred pow they had to go.

You should expect none such mixed feelings with BG108ts though, so I would advice you to cut your losses sooner rather than later and invest in making any day on skis as good as it could be. As L'oreal would say - because you and your limited shredtime is more than worth it.

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Originally Posted by MegaStoke

Has anyone skied firm spring corn on their BGT108s yet? I absolutely love my 116s in soft snow, but they’re a bit too loose for my tastes when things firm up.

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I can comment on Steeple 108 performance on firm. They're not current BGT108s, but they are the same shape and likely flex pretty similarly. I also have 189 BGs for comparison.

My take is that as long as the surface isn't completely bullet proof - i.e. would require boot crampons to safely ascend, the skinny billy shape will skid predictably enough/are easy enough to put on edge to get you to the bottom on your feet. Not ideal, but workable. Where they really shine and are absolutely worth their weight is in difficult 3D variable conditions like miss-timed corn with a late day zipper crust, variable density/depth wind affected snow, hot pow, over-cooked corn and shallower sastrugi. The RES keeps the tip from hooking/getting deflected and the tails are loose enough to release in almost any condition. This makes for a predictable ski that is quite forgiving, which can save a lot of energy and make fairly terrible conditions workable. If I am confident that it's going to be firm or firm and transitioning into good corn I choose a narrower ski. Even then, I have wished I had brought the Steeples when I've taken the skinny sticks. I have never regretted taking the Steeples (apart from the extra effort they require on big days). I am currently shopping for a minimalist binding to put on the Steeples to help justify taking them on bigger/longer days, as I very rarely am not 100% happy with how they ski. Note that I am coming at this from an all around touring perspective. If you're looking for a firm couloir ski these obviously aren't ideal, but I have skied some firm steeps with them and lived, so it's certainly possible. YMMV.

Today ON3P called to verify my choice of layup.
To say I’m stoked to get on these would be an understatement!

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Originally Posted by UCMERIP

Today ON3P called to verify my choice of layup.
To say I’m stoked to get on these would be an understatement!

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Love that top sheet. Those are going to be badass.

If anyone in the SLC/PC or Jackson/Victor area is in the market for a pair of woodsman 108s in 182 let me know. Skied them for three days and could never figure them out so, cutting my losses. Mounted with pivot15s for a 296 BSL and will sell with or without bindings.

189cm Cease & Desist’s are way more composed in the air off large jumps than they should be... Had way too much fun hucking myself off jumps than I should have yesterday.