Binding Mount Paper Templates

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thanks Terry! this one was perfect. Cheers!

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Originally Posted by N1CK.

thanks Terry! this one was perfect. Cheers!

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You're welcome. Glad it'll work for you.

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Originally Posted by kolkritan

Maybe it's done before, but based on the measurements from Spyderjon and the Binding Freedom paper template for the ordinary Duke I put together a paper template for the Duke PT. Own no binding to test the pattern myself, so make sure to verify before you drill!

Attachment 403875

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FYI this template is incorrect.

I built a new template with the Kingpin toe and Jester heel that worked well using this thread. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...T-hole-pattern

If I find time in the next week or so I'll try and create a new template for the PT on it's own, but be warned that the link in this thread does not work.

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Originally Posted by ASmileyFace

FYI this template is incorrect.

I built a new template with the Kingpin toe and Jester heel that worked well using this thread. https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...T-hole-pattern

If I find time in the next week or so I'll try and create a new template for the PT on it's own, but be warned that the link in this thread does not work.

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If you send it to me, I can clean it up if needed and get it posted. There are various other templates that are inaccurate and modified too. I don’t how or when, but I might try to collect them and get them more organized.



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double checking if anyone knows for sure

I was told the Rotation 7 is Rotation toe and Radical heel

anyone know about Rotation 12 heel?

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Originally Posted by ~mikey b

double checking if anyone knows for sure

I was told the Rotation 7 is Rotation toe and Radical heel

anyone know about Rotation 12 heel?

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Originally Posted by ~mikey b

double checking if anyone knows for sure

I was told the Rotation 7 is Rotation toe and Radical heel

anyone know about Rotation 12 heel?

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The rotation 12 uses the same pattern as (and is basically the same as) the radical 2.0 , so for templates that is what you are looking for.

thanks

I have a set of Rotation 7 jigarex plates, as well as Radical (2.0 I think)

this helps me out

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Hi, is there a template for the Atomic/Salomon Backland Tour? I tried searching the thread, didn't come up with anything, but don't think I was doing it right. Thx.

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Originally Posted by natebob

Hi, is there a template for the Atomic/Salomon Backland Tour? I tried searching the thread, didn't come up with anything, but don't think I was doing it right. Thx.

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Are those rebranded bindings from another mfgr or by Salomon?


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Atomic Backland tour is a rebranded Salomon MTN. There should be templates for that.

Tried some searches, anyone have a template for a Look HM Rotation 12, I think its the same as the Dynafit Rotation , but I cant find either. Can anyone help me out?

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Tried some searches, anyone have a template for a Look HM Rotation 12, I think its the same as the Dynafit Rotation , but I cant find either. Can anyone help me out?

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Dynafit Radical 2.0 is the template you want.

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Originally Posted by MottN

Dynafit Radical 2.0 is the template you want.

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Originally Posted by MottN

Atomic Backland tour is a rebranded Salomon MTN. There should be templates for that.

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I found Knut's template for the Atomic/Salomon MTN, but having trouble printing to the correct scale. Any printing tips? Thx

Usually in Acrobat, you select the "actual size" in the Acrobat print dialog.
If you're not using Acrobat, but some other product, you might try Acrobat instead.

And if that doesn't produce the proper size, you can simply use trial-and-error - printing at a specific scaling percentage, and then using a ruler to measure a long-ish dimension on the printed output to see if they match. If not, adjust the scale up or down as needed until you get close.

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Originally Posted by gregorys

Usually in Acrobat, you select the "actual size" in the Acrobat print dialog.
If you're not using Acrobat, but some other product, you might try Acrobat instead.

And if that doesn't produce the proper size, you can simply use trial-and-error - printing at a specific scaling percentage, and then using a ruler to measure a long-ish dimension on the printed output to see if they match. If not, adjust the scale up or down as needed until you get close.

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Printing with Adobe, actual size worked. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Muggydude

STH2 Template Measurements - Compare my picture of the binding lined up with my template compared to the one further up with Powderguide's. Can judge for yourself. Unfortunately my templates are all in Solidworks, at some point if I get around to making some on some free drafting software I'll post them up.

Will be my last post about this- here's how I got my numbers (I measured these out more in depth 2 years ago (see post above), did the ones below in 5 minutes while taking pics with one hand).

Measured distance between innermost part of the front two holes (36.77mm), then of the rear two holes (34.24mm). I then added the diameter of one hole (5.6mm) to each number to get the final distance between the centers of the front holes (42.37mm) and the rear holes (39.84mm).

Both are slightly narrower (~.15mm) than my measurements I posted earlier.

Attachment 202303

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For the distance front holes to back (30mm), I measured the distance between the lateral support struts, then added the thickness of one of the struts (1.13mm) to get the longitudinal distance between the two struts as well as their associated holes (31.13mm). So this measurement was a little longer than my old one.

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If I'd ~average all these measurements for a new toe template I'd have:

Front hole width: 42.5mm

Rear hole width: 40.00mm

Front to back hole length: 31mm

I imagine these are the measurements Salomon's engineers orignally designed the bindings with - wouldn;t make sense to have odd '.03' mm numbers

Attachment 202308

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Is this template specific to 295 BSL? If so, can you share it with me?

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Originally Posted by el duderino

Is this template specific to 295 BSL? If so, can you share it with me?

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I have the base template adjusted for the STH2 binding layout tool and will get that posted a little later today.

Edit: DOH! See post 1640 in this thread. I did post the STH2 template already.

FTR and To tie these together, check out this thread on the STH2 hole layout discrepancies.

“Minimum & Maximum Boot Sole Lengths”

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/....php?p=6756623”

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Anyone have a source for Tyrolia Protector on PR rails. Demo template I found around here, referencing Protector, does not fit (front part seems the correct pattern - rear on what I got is the same pattern).
I guess I could experiment on a 2x4, but hard to guess distances needed.

To be clear;
You're talking the Tyrolia Protector PR, not the Protector Attack, right? [Because the Attack1/2 demo pattern fits the Protector Attack.]

As for messing around and seeing about your own template.
There are some threads - I think Alpinord has one somewhere.
But getting the heel/toe distance right is probably the hardest. (And it's not hard.)
A cheap pair of caplipers is pretty easy to get the hole measurements for the heel or toe.

For heel-to-toe distance.
Get a large enough piece of paper (tape some together, perhaps) that will fit the toe+heel+boot between.
An extra pair of hands is handy, but not required.

-- If it's a non-demo binding, make sure you do the measurement with the adjustable range in the middle.
-- For demo's, put the toe/heel in the right "notch" for the BSL.
Put the toe of the boot in the toe piece and hold the boot up, like you're going to step into the heel. Move the heel up till the heel of the boot, is a few mm from the heel cup.

Carefully move the boot out of the way and mark on the paper the outline of the heel+toe. Careful not to shift the heel or toe so you get the most accurate read.

You'll have a little figuring/tinkering to figure out the spacing from the screws on the heel to the screws on the toe, but I'd guess you can figure it out. You can always go back to re-check something, if you carefully outlined the heel and toe/rails.

I have used Illustrator, in the past because it's easy to use and print, and I know it pretty well.
CAD can work too.
Inkscape is free, and is the equivalent of Illustrator - worth it, if you don't have a good alternative method.

Once you've got a printable template, print it and do a test mount on a board. You'll see where you need to adjust things pretty quickly.
Make the small adjustments to the pattern and toe-heel spacing and iterate until you're happy.

I can do one in under an hour, if I don't have to re-install software, or something else needs fixing. :)

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Originally Posted by gregorys

To be clear;
You're talking the Tyrolia Protector PR, not the Protector Attack, right? [Because the Attack1/2 demo pattern fits the Protector Attack.]

As for messing around and seeing about your own template.
There are some threads - I think Alpinord has one somewhere.
But getting the heel/toe distance right is probably the hardest. (And it's not hard.)
A cheap pair of caplipers is pretty easy to get the hole measurements for the heel or toe.

For heel-to-toe distance.
Get a large enough piece of paper (tape some together, perhaps) that will fit the toe+heel+boot between.
An extra pair of hands is handy, but not required.

-- If it's a non-demo binding, make sure you do the measurement with the adjustable range in the middle.
-- For demo's, put the toe/heel in the right "notch" for the BSL.
Put the toe of the boot in the toe piece and hold the boot up, like you're going to step into the heel. Move the heel up till the heel of the boot, is a few mm from the heel cup.

Carefully move the boot out of the way and mark on the paper the outline of the heel+toe. Careful not to shift the heel or toe so you get the most accurate read.

You'll have a little figuring/tinkering to figure out the spacing from the screws on the heel to the screws on the toe, but I'd guess you can figure it out. You can always go back to re-check something, if you carefully outlined the heel and toe/rails.

I have used Illustrator, in the past because it's easy to use and print, and I know it pretty well.
CAD can work too.
Inkscape is free, and is the equivalent of Illustrator - worth it, if you don't have a good alternative method.

Once you've got a printable template, print it and do a test mount on a board. You'll see where you need to adjust things pretty quickly.
Make the small adjustments to the pattern and toe-heel spacing and iterate until you're happy.

I can do one in under an hour, if I don't have to re-install software, or something else needs fixing. :)

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Right. PR, not demo Attack. For regular attacks I have Jigarex.

I have mounted such bindings prior by just making own template on a 2x4, but that is a lot of extra fuss. I thought trying to solicit a ready made one would be worth trying. :)

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Originally Posted by Offwidth

Right. PR, not demo Attack. For regular attacks I have Jigarex.
I have mounted such bindings prior by just making own template on a 2x4, but that is a lot of extra fuss. I thought trying to solicit a ready made one would be worth trying. :)

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Hopefully someone will have one.
But doing them the way I suggested is pretty quick. The other benefit is that when you're done, you can easily share the template for others.
Free-handing one on a board and paper? Not so much. :)

I just measured then created a template and mounted up a new set of Tyrolia Protector PR13 bindings. The hole pattern looked to me as being 30mm x 100mm for toes and the same for heels separated by 200mm.
Here is my template, use at your own risk:
Attachment 445105

Don't want to read the entire thread... are the marker Sole ID versions the same mounting pattern as the original?

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ATK FR14 template

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mmQ...w?usp=drivesdk

I made this because factory template was driving me bonkers. Keep in mind that touring boots are a little unpredictable, in terms of where the pins are, and even the BSL. If you want your mount to be dead nuts accurate, do a test mount first and adjust accordingly.

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Don't want to read the entire thread... are the marker Sole ID versions the same mounting pattern as the original?

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Duke PT question/Confirmation:

Heel Pattern is the same as the Royal-Jester/Griffon/Squire

Toe is a Kingping with it shifted towards the tip by 6.5mm correct?

How about a Look Rockerace template? Have to pair on the way and need to get them mounted post haste.

Probably been answered 100 times but don’t see it in the previous few pages:

Going to be mounting Pivots for the first time. Used the FKS R8 template for a test mount and looks to me like it’s giving the right results for forward pressure, right in the middle of the adjustment range.

Is that the general consensus - that the template is bang on - or are people adjusting from the template at all?

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Originally Posted by TexasGortex

Any templates for a Strive or Strive demo? Specifically curious about shared holes or lack of conflict with a Shift. Sure would be nice.

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Another bump on this; mainly want to figure out the toepiece pattern.

Just found the tech manuals for the (non-demo) Strives: Am I understanding correctly that for templates, the Strive 16 follows the Warden 13 and the Strive 14 follows the Warden 11?

Strive 16: https://issuu.com/salomonnz/docs/tec...023/s/17461657
Strive 14: https://issuu.com/salomonnz/docs/tec...023/s/17461646

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Probably been answered 100 times but don’t see it in the previous few pages:

Going to be mounting Pivots for the first time. Used the FKS R8 template for a test mount and looks to me like it’s giving the right results for forward pressure, right in the middle of the adjustment range.

Is that the general consensus - that the template is bang on - or are people adjusting from the template at all?

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I'm on my 3rd Pivot mount this year. I personally move the rear binding forward 2.5 mm. My boots, for example, are 295BSL. I mount the front using the 295BSL mark and the rear using the 290BSL mark and wont have to adjust forward pressure at all. YMMV
Dave

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Originally Posted by Hewie

I'm on my 3rd Pivot mount this year. I personally move the rear binding forward 2.5 mm. My boots, for example, are 295BSL. I mount the front using the 295BSL mark and the rear using the 290BSL mark and wont have to adjust forward pressure at all. YMMV
Dave

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Thanks! May try a test mount like that. Sounds like I won’t have the skis to mount them on until next season now, so I’ve go some time.

I'm doing a Strive 16 mount with the google drive Warden 13/STH2 template. Everything lines up perfectly except:

- Front toe holes are 39.7mm apart instead of 40mm
- Front/back toe holes are 65.6mm apart instead of 65mm

I've seen Inkscape mentioned a few times around here: Is that what I should use to edit the PDF or is there a better way?

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Originally Posted by Cork7 Belly Flop

I'm doing a Strive 16 mount with the google drive Warden 13/STH2 template. Everything lines up perfectly except:

- Front toe holes are 39.7mm apart instead of 40mm
- Front/back toe holes are 65.6mm apart instead of 65mm

I've seen Inkscape mentioned a few times around here: Is that what I should use to edit the PDF or is there a better way?

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you can convert pdf to dxf online and do it in autocad or some other modeling sw

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Originally Posted by Cork7 Belly Flop

I'm doing a Strive 16 mount with the google drive Warden 13/STH2 template. Everything lines up perfectly except:

- Front toe holes are 39.7mm apart instead of 40mm
- Front/back toe holes are 65.6mm apart instead of 65mm

I've seen Inkscape mentioned a few times around here: Is that what I should use to edit the PDF or is there a better way?

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You can pull a PDF into Inkscape and draw over it, but Inkscape won’t convert PDF vectors to Inkscape components. With every template, whether I created it or not, I take an existing Inkscape template and modify it for whatever binding I’m going to mount, then save as a new template. The reasons I do this are that I want the inside diameter of the center holes to show up inside my drill guide (a piece of plate steel with a 3.6mm or 4.1mm hole that I clamp down before drilling), and that I put a BSL line at the exact location on the template so I don’t have to draw it. Takes me about 10 minutes to build a template if the dimensions are correct, and little more, if the hole locations are not dead to rights. Template creation, if no one has made a template or taken measurements, requires about an hour, give or take, based on my mental state at the time.

Also, I use Inkscape because it’s free. It’s great software, but there are definitely other options. I think CAD would be better, or easier to achieve the same results, but I’ve got what I need at this point.

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Originally Posted by GeorgiaSnow

I have been searching the inter-web to no avail for a paper template for rossi/look jr bindings. Specifically I have some Look Team 4 JR QS bindings I'm hoping to mount. Anyone have a template?

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Any luck with finding one? I am currently looking without much luck.

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Originally Posted by s15smallblock

Any luck with finding one? I am currently looking without much luck.

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From DIY Binding Template:

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DIY Binding Templates

For those inclined to make their own templates or interested in helping get them created vs expecting/waiting on others to provide them, here are some initial thoughts that might help you:

1) Print and verify scale of this binding template base sheet.

2) Cut into individual pieces of paper and tape to a flat surface.

3) Clearly & accurately mark BSC & heel center of your boot with a marker or grease pencil.

4) If tech or tele bindings, attached the toe piece to the binding pins on the boot. Otherwise place alpine binding in toe piece

5) Place boot and binding on the toe base sheet with your BSC at the corresponding, nearest 5mm BSC on the base sheet, along with heel centered on the center line. Measure from boot toe to front set of binding toe piece screw holes.

6) Mark toe holes with pencil. Measure binding holes from one side to the same side (ie, left and left and bottom & bottom) along with diagonals. Mark on template base sheet.

7) Do the same to the heel with the binding set to the middle of it’s adjustable range on the heel sheet. Measure from boot heel to rear holes of heel piece.

8) If you have a flat bed scanner, scan the binding bottoms. (Ideally, with the boot attached.)

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If you mark up and post the base template with dimensions, I could make a template.

Is there a template out there for Warden 11? I printed off of the STH2/Warden template it is is perfect for the toes but the heels don't line up.