2nd Annual Radar Speed-Trap Day ! !

Look this certainly doesn't have to turn into a "thing"

GS stands for Giant Slalom

Why GS? Because they turn around gates, albeit large sweeping ones

and therefore even while carrying massive amounts of speed they still slow down because there are turns

So, the fact remains that while AC could NOT go onto a race course and hammer down 80 mph on icy death

She COULD go in a straight line down a groomed fast slope and reach that speed

Noone is claiming that overall she is faster than maier or bode, but if in competition they went in a COMPLETELY STRAIGHT LINE in a tuck down the hill they would be faster than the other contestants! Of course then they would be disqualified for going outside the race course boundries.

Can we all stop shitting in this thread and just shut our fat mouths until the results are in? It fucking stinks in here with all this trash-talking and postulating.

I'll bring my camcorder to get video of the gun in the foreground and the skier in the background. I'll also be bringing my fat skis and plenty of Crystal Blue Saran Wrap to make my GS suit.

edit: I will also take a run with the camcorder in my hand so we can see what XX mph looks like.

I'm never out to cause conflict, I just hate ignorance.

Until you've skied with a GPS or a speed gun, don't go on like you are. I understand what you are saying.

Bottom line is, you can reach speeds like this when going straight on a groomer, even in baggy clothes. It's fun to see just how fast you can actually go.

Let's end this thread on a positive note, rather than a dipstick note.

Edit: i will wait to see how fast we can all go before i say anything else. We'll see.

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Originally posted by phUnk
Can we all stop shitting in this thread and just shut our fat mouths until the results are in?

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No. Dipshit pisses me off, I know I should rise above it, but I just can't.

Hey, did anybody see "The Road to Perdition"? I saw like 99.5 per cent of it the other day but had to leave with like 3-5 minutes to go. How did it end up?

totally unrelated side note-phUnk, email those pics to me...I need them for a certain "something."

1260...not bad. Of course they rescaled the tests since I took them, but still not bad. I don't think I called you stupid. Ignorant, arrogant, humorless...yeah, maybe.

So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

Just a note from the cheap seats.

I do have a GPS, I ski with it frequently. It once showed me skiing 428 MPH. As others have pointed out I'm not sure if it picks up the altitude difference. Plus the fact that you are in a mountain environment, you lose signal. I'd suppose that when you lose a signal you pop up in a different place.

I'd imagine you had the GPS in a pocket, doing 80 while holding it out front upright could be quite dangerous. My GPS loses satellite lock quite frequently in my pocket.

Whether it factors in time differences between popping back up somewhere? I don't know. But, what I do know is that mine shows screwed up MPH's quite frequently. Yeah, driving down a road on a flat surface it's spot on. But the mountains seem to be a bit different.

That aside, I figure Altachic could probably do it.

BobMc

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Originally posted by iceman
So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

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I saw it a while ago, and all I remember is that Tom Hanks' character gets shot, but not before shooting some other guy that had glass in his face.

Then the little kid then sit's with Tom Hanks as he dies.

I had a Plymouth Satellite, it was faster than the speed of light.

(B52'SFNR)

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Originally posted by dipstik
I saw it a while ago, and all I remember is that Tom Hanks' character gets shot, but not before shooting some other guy that had glass in his face.

Then the little kid then sit's with Tom Hanks as he dies.

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Yeah, I figured Hanks had to die and the kid had to see it, thanks.

I wonder who the guy with glass in his face was? I didn't see that part either. Maybe Rooney's son? He was the one who ordered the hit on Hank's family, it would seem to figure.

Oh well, it's be nice to dipstik week again, I'll see if I can do it.

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Originally posted by phUnk
... and postulating.

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Speaking of postulating; I'm really torn between my 218 Kastle downhills and my 178 AX4's. Given the choice, which would you choose for Saturday's showdown? :rolleyes:

A long time ago, I entered one of Steve McKinney's Camel Sprint Speed Skiing events. In practice many of us were clocked in the mid to upper seventies. Race day came along with flat light and new snow that was pretty slow. My top speed on race day was a tick over 67.

I don't have the foggiest idea how accurate the speed function is, but my CicloSport returned a max speed of 62 mph one day when I was out cruising.

http://www.ciclosportusa.com/images/hac4plus.jpg

Is 80+ possible? I'm sure there will be plenty of fun to be had finding the answer to the question. Until then, I'm all for letting the skis do the talking.


Road to Perdition:
After watching Tom Hanks die, the kid goes to live with the older couple that took them in while Hanks was recovering from his wounds.

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Originally posted by iceman
1260...not bad. Of course they rescaled the tests since I took them, but still not bad. I don't think I called you stupid. Ignorant, arrogant, humorless...yeah, maybe.

So what happened at the end of "The Road to Perdition"?

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It had a happy ending--the guy and the girl get married.

1260 equates roughly to 1160 on the old scale. Probably doesn't hurt an ordinary guy applying to BU, but if your last name is Bush it gets you into Yale.

Speed skiing is for pussies. I'm wondering if 2 feet of snow is enough to make Pyramid Gap doable...

I guess it depends if you're gonna Kush it or not.

Holy Crap! 1800 views on this thread??!! You mean to tell me there's more interest in how fast maggot amateurs can ski than there is in the Summit photos I've been working on for days? My photo thread didn't come close to this one. :(

Here's the deal on the radar gun. It's a Bushnell model I paid more than $300 for last year--incredibly accurate for the price. The thing is accurate to +/- 1 MPH even at 200 MPH.

I've skied with guys whose GPS readings have been quite a bit off (perhaps due to some of the points brought up in this thread), so it will be fun to get some definitive speed-reads this Saturday.

This thing is dead-on accurate. Although I already believed both the specs and the tech department when I was learning about the gun last year, ColdSmoke and I did dozens of field and road tests last season to see how good it was. I even used two guns together one day just to see how they compared to each other.

A couple of people made the point earlier in the thread that even an amateur should theoretically be able to ski a straight line faster than a pro making turns. I'm proof of this.

I've never had race training. I started skiing as an adult. Years ago, I entered an amateur speed skiing competition that was open to the public. A few of us actually reached 90MPH while practicing for it. I was skiing on 213cm Fischer RC4 Vacuums. I weighed 200 pounds at the time and was wearing a poor man's DH suit consisting of leotards I bought at a second-hand store and a motorcycle helmet. I didn't know enough at the time to be embarassed about how I must have looked. I just knew I wanted to ski fast and that I loved it. (Wouldn't it have been cool to look like a total gaper and win it?)

Unfortunately, the speed skiing event was removed from the games before it ever had a chance to debut, but it made me fall even more in love with speed.

If the conditions and viz are safe enough to do this Saturday, we'll likely see some people break 80. It's probably good I'll be holding the gun. Otherwise, I think I'd be really tempted to ski faster than I should eight months post-surgery. ;)


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"Thanks for participating in our speed experiment. You're done now."

Oh--and yes, I would welcome any monetary assistance to help offset the cost just a little bit. We talked about doing that last year, and I really appreciated the help from Lumpy and GT.
Any other one-time donations to the cause would be greatly appreciated. :)

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Originally posted by phUnk
Speed skiing is for pussies. I'm wondering if 2 feet of snow is enough to make Pyramid Gap doable...

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The "soul of skiing' is in wearing skin tight ass huggers and wearing 220 straights.....JONG!;)

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Originally posted by dipstik
I got a 1260 on my SAT's...I'm also not the dumbass you think I am.

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1) If you have to defend your smartness, you're not smart.

2) Smart and knowledgeable are two different things.

3) I beat you by over 200 points -- and they've pumped up the scores twice since then.

4) You still haven't taken my bet.

5) "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away, know when to run." -Kenny Rogers

First one to radar at 80 on Spatulas?

If you guys can raise the funds, I'll be out to Utah to prove y'all wrong.

$1000- 90MPH.

$1500- 100MPH.

Bring it.

Any distinct categories this year? DH boards, mid-fats, fatties, sheep suits, large-goateed men in second hand leotards and minibike helmets, fastest with 12 Busch Lights in the system (Bob)?

Garts got 29-buck Power Mambas...dig out the Spademans and rear-entry Hansens for the scariest setup over 50mph...

My personal setup is comprised of custom de-cambered Pr's sporting numerous 2cm+ ptex keels strategically hanging along whats left of the bases. Looking to hit 35 with a methane fueled burst of green gas. Chili- cheese, broccoli casserol for pre-event dinner the night before...washed down with a Mickey's 40.

I'm bringin' it.

I once clocked 150 km/h (93 mph) on my XXXs. On dry concrete!

This was right after the magnetic roof rack flew off the car. A pair of Arno Adams also achieved the same speed.

I saw clear evidence (in the rear view mirror) of the fact that the humongous tips made the skis very unstable at that speed.

(This was Swiss speeds, measured on the speedometer of a Citroen Xsara by a Norwegian en route to the French part of the Geneva airport).

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Originally posted by Dexter Rutecki
Check out the speeds that DH racers get when they're going straight, and then consider that they've got everything going for them speed-wise: wax, skis, snow, speed-suit...I'm pretty sure I've never hit 80+ even on big race skis.

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So where do speed skiers who also have the wax, the skis, the snow and the speed suit get an extra 75mph from? I know. It's all down to the polystyrene calf spoilers and the helmets.

Could it be because they're not making any turns? Just could it? :rolleyes:

The reason why I've got so little time for the doubters is that I've clocked an average of 79mph down a 900m course in normal ski gear. I know it's completely doable to top 80mph on a groomer. To me there's no discussion - I've already proven it. The naysayers obviously don't believe me. They don't trust the judgement of Dantheman, phUnk or altachic either - hands down three of the best skiers on this whole board. Endless - the guy with the radar gun FFS - believes it's possible. And yet these 'flat earthers' still don't think it's even a remote possibility. Irked.

You Utards had better sack up now. ;)

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Originally posted by bad_roo
So where do speed skiers who also have the wax, the skis, the snow and the speed suit get an extra 75mph from? I know. It's all down to the polystyrene calf spoilers and the helmets.

Could it be because they're not making any turns? Just could it? :rolleyes:...

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Simply for arguments' sake, and really I am filled with admiration and respect for the skiers involved in this venture (PowHo - no breaking the face, por favor) BUT...

There are manymanymany factors involved in why speedskiers go so fast:

-The length of the skis is one - they track better.

-Speed Skis do not have ANY sidecut, and the racers actually ski on the inside EDGES. Lower coeficient of friction than the bases.

-Roo, as an automotive journalist, you know about drag. Due to the helmet, leg foils, little pointy caps on the poles, and speed suit, their drag coeficient is better than an F1 car.

I can't find the numbers anymore, but there was a really cool article years ago in Pop. Science about speed skiing. This was just before the Albertville Olympics, where speed skiing was an exibition sport. The article attempted to answer the question why these skiers were exceeding terminal velocity (~130 mph) without any propulsion other than gravity. It all came down to drag and friction.

AC - I hope you prove me wrong. That would kick serious ass, and you would be drinking free for a Happy Hour at the GMD next Feb. when I'm back in LCC. I'd even let your "boyfriend" (probably Fiancee by then.. ;) ) mag in on the liquid goods. :D

Also, why are we talking about GS? Downhillers turn, but they specifically include speed sections to impress the TV audience, just like they build in jumps. If a WC Downhiller barely breaks 80mph in these sections, well, then...

(Tippster is done flogging this deceased equine)

phUnk can't participate in your special olympics 'cause he'll be helping out the real Special Olympics at Brighton Saturday.

Endless, bring your gun over to Brighton and see who can clock the fastest speed on their S-Rail.

J-

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Originally posted by Lumpy
Any distinct categories this year? DH boards, mid-fats, fatties, sheep suits, large-goateed men in second hand leotards and minibike helmets, fastest with 12 Busch Lights in the system (Bob)?

My personal setup is comprised of custom de-cambered Pr's sporting numerous 2cm+ ptex keels strategically hanging along whats left of the bases. Looking to hit 35 with a methane fueled burst of green gas. Chili- cheese, broccoli casserol for pre-event dinner the night before...washed down with a Mickey's 40.

I'm bringin' it.

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http://www.endlessseason.com/smilies/rotflmao4.gif

900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships without even tucking this January...

http://www.euroski.cz/img/foto/alpe_...ez_foto_03.jpg
Direct looker's left of draglift.

Roo ====> So fast right now.

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Originally posted by bad_roo
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

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That equals roughly 77mph.

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Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships without even tucking this January...

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Which equals roughly 65mph. THAT I can believe. It's that extra 15mph that's the trick...


Goddamn it, posted again. Note to self - stop being so fucking argumentative! Like I said before, all respect to all ivolved in these shenanigans...

I wish. More like Roo: So 'cranky sitting in London knowing that the next time he sets foot on snow is in all likelihood 27th December' right now.

OK - an admission. That first speed was achieved on 210cm GS skis. But a figure halfway between those two would be possible on something like a Volkl G4 and remember those are mean speeds.

By my calculations you should have vaporised.

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Originally posted by bad_roo
900m track, standing start, 26 seconds to finish. You do the math.

Did it in 31 seconds on a pair of friggin' Motherships switch without even tucking this January...

http://www.euroski.cz/img/foto/alpe_...ez_foto_03.jpg
Direct looker's left of draglift.

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Bad_Roo-So sick right now....caw!

Really curious to see posted times.

Been up to 78mph in a suit and on 223's, faster, yes it's possible give conditions and length of the track. 81mph on g-4's, possible,yes, but not likely.

Not doubting ability, just accuracy.

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Originally posted by Dantheman
It was socked in and snowing there today (again :D) so I'm guessing it didn't go down. However, altachic skied witha friends GPS the other day and topped out at 81 mph :cool:

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[obscure ski porn quote]
Just because Zurbriggen can handle a downhill course at 80 miles an hour doesn't mean that I can. If you don't know your ability, and don't stick to that ability, then there's not much we can do for you.

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Originally posted by elesquiador
That is a good point. GPS can accurately detect changes in elevation, but they need to have a stronger satellite signal than they need for a 2-D position. I don't know if GPS figures that in when it calculates speed, but if it does not it would probably give you a slightly slower readout then your actual speed since the total distance traveled would be a little longer than the horizontal distance traveled.

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Gotta chime in here before I read the rest.

GPS devices are VERY different. One could give you 2-D fixes, while others have the ability yo get 3-D Fixes (vertical too).

Some have Differential GPS (realtime more accurate) and some do not (10 meter autonoumous accuraccy).

TO get the best readings, you want to maximize the number of satelites you are receiving and get your PDOP value to a minuimum. You need a minimum of 4 satellites to get the best readings for this type of data acquisition.

I would need to see/know what you are using as a GPS unit to see what it is capable of (accuracy, channels,....). I am in the business and have been taking classes on GPS through work.

I think the GPS handheld can give you a very good estimate of what your speed is, but depending on how many satellites you pick up and lose on the way down (trees, mountains obstructing satelite angle), the readings CAN go all over the place.

Also, you have to let the GPS unit aquire an "Almanac" before taking readings for the most accurate data. This Almanac takes about 12.5 to 15 minutes of setting it out and turning it on to receive the "health of the satellites, Satellite Clock corrections, delay parameters and so on". Signal is also affected by your lattitude and Long. depending on what type of signal your are getting (WAAS, Satellite DPGS, Autonomous,....)

Long story short, these are good estimates I feel. Obviously a radar gun is the best way and most accurate.

AND Altachic can ski extremely fast. Trying to keep up with her on the groomers at Soli was impossible on the snowboard, and I do know how to keep speed. My eyes were watering thru my goggles big time and I felt like I was going the fastest I have ever gone. Fun as hell trying to keep up with "some Blonde chic in ponytails". :P

Bottom line, she hauls ass.

Radar results will show all.

And someone mentioned the GPS offset deal the GOVT had over GPS: That was dumped in 2000 or around. You can get the SAME accuracy now as the govt.

Now to read on.

i have a GPS with 3D navigation, i've used in a car and it is very accurate(even on hills), but i don't know if i could concentrate on it hauling ass on skis.

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Originally posted by powderhound
i have a GPS with 3D navigation, i've used in a car and it is very accurate(even on hills), but i don't know if i could concentrate on it hauling ass on skis.

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Yeah, that is the hard part for sure.

I realise I'm late to the party, but...

How much difference do you think (drag, etc) you'd go by ditching the ski wear & going butt naked (shaved body hair, obviously)?

I'm thinking my top speed would drop to about 5-6MPH.

I'll be happy if i reach 70mph...I'd be stoked. That's all i'm going to say for now.