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I picked up some Strive 14s for next to nothing. Half the price, easier to use in powder, and way lighter than the Pivot 15s I was originally going to go for. Plus they have some delta. (I buy my Pivots in 15/18 for Cast compatibility, not gnar, and I’m not touring these).Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
the pivots are not rated for powder useQuote:
Originally Posted by TexasGortex
For deep pow I like the “clunk” of the STH.
That’s why I’m going black STH 16 on the R120’s and I’m trying my first Strive’s ever….retro white/red 747 Strive 16’s will be perfect on HB122’s.
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I’m doing the retro, red/white/black Strive 16’s on mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by K1mJ0ngTr1ll
Will post pics when mounted!
PS I spent a fair bit of last night just standing on the HB122’s on the carpet (at 87cm from tail, -4.25cm) ….and damn they made me happy. Thanks for making these Marshal! The world is a better place.
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Saw those at the Salomon Clinic this year. The retro look kills it.
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Anyone listen to blister powder ski episode on gear30?
Seems these hinge/plow in deep snow? Anyone actually ski these?
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I listened to that blister podcast. I’m not that concerned…but I was gonna go forward a cm to -3cm but after listening I’m going on rec around -4.5cm (short bsl).Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
With my 170 lbs and me skiing centered I ain’t worried. Plus if it’s deep and I’m skiing super fast I’m likely on stiffer Renegades or HL R120’s.
I think the HB122 should be really fun. Will report back in Dec.
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fwiw Paul, the blister reviewer skiing them, bought the demo set, instead of sending them back, so he could keep skiing them. He can’t think it’s that bad!Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
As a data point, he mounted +1 from where I would recommend for his size + 40lb guide pack, but again, he was super stoked on them overall, so I don’t think that’s a bad thing or the wrong spot. Just a touch less room for error, just like being a little forward on any ski, imo.
id call the skis mid-soft but supportive. I skied them maybe 30 days last season, never had an “oh shit” over the bars or wheelied out. super fun change of pace from chop-smashing monster trucking skis. Just one guys opinion!
but indeed; if you hand flex them… they are not stiff!
I never had any problem with them overhinging on me last year, but I’m also not heli skiing at max speed with a guide pack.
For resort shralping these rule
Paul Forward picked them in his 5 ski quiver. He said he "can't think of a ski he's had more fun on at Aleyeska", and called them "magical". Can't be too bad!
Okay, faith in the ski restored, the way Paul Forward described them I was like. There is no way HL designed a ski that “flexes like a U” when skiing it.
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To be certain, if you are coming from charger skis, and hand flex them, you will be like “marshal may have lost his mind”. Haha.
But they really truly are crazy fun, and kind of addictive. Most surprised I’ve ever been on skis.
This ski sounds like a riot, maybe TAFKALVS will grab a pair. [emoji6]
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I had the chance to ski Paul’s pair for a handful of laps at Alyeska on a 15” heavy storming low viz day.
He had been moving the mount around, but wherever they were at, they fucking killed it from turn one!
They are not so stiff, per se, but they are a big ski and felt torsionally very powerful. They have an incredibly damp and smooth ride, with a very reliable rebound that you dance in and out of while you fly playfully from one feature to the next.
I couldn’t find their speed limit in the conditions that day and never felt any fold up cranking turns at speed but they are not straightline missiles, and felt ~25% softer than my FL113, which have no speed limit, period, and can be a handful when the viz is poor, like this day.
There is some Black Magic! in these boards and they were so fun that I ordered a pair that night.
-arriving in a scant few days!
I didn't think I wanted this ski, but you guys are killing me.
these sound rad for low viz (cough schwizz cough) pow days where you naturally want to ski a little slower but not be on the brakes the whole time.
I skied the demo for 10 ish days at -4.5 and never felt that feeling at 6’1 220-225Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiLyft
Yes. Yes you do……Quote:
Originally Posted by The Iron Horse
100%Quote:
Originally Posted by jackattack
for my quiver this year, I am Swallowtail 120 (good vis -> alpine terrain) + HB122 (low vis -> trees/billygoating). Super easy to know what ski to grab, and they are ideally suited for those conditions IMO, but good enough at the other thing if you miss-read conditions, you aren't bummed out about the day in any way/shape/form
I'm thinking of going -4.5 or -5.0. I like directional skis for the most part I think. 170#......maybe 180-185# with my vest/shovel/probe/snacks/ski boots etc. I ski pretty fast most of the time.
Since you have a pretty normal sized foot IIRC, generally I’d say go -5 to -5.5 at that size, and depending on your fore-aft balance and how used to super progressive shapes you are. Since we already talked some of this thru, I’d say -5 for you, WG
I haven’t skied the hb122 but have spent time on hellbents. As long as you are a really balanced skier you can absolutely charge on them. It seems impossible when you flex them. But that softness just eats up all the imperfections in the snow. It’s actually quite amazing but you have to be able to stay on the center of the ski.
HB122 has the best tail of any inbound powder ski.... (Paul Forward at https://blisterreview.com/podcasts/g...be-next-ep-320 at 53min )
I can't wait to see what HB vs PF was in store for us.
Salomon Strive 16 retro 747’s with 130mm brake on my 179 HB122’s, which straight pull at 182.6cm. Mounted 87cm from tail (-4.30 from tc).
Can’t wait to ski these!!! Thanks Marshall!
Some topsheet, base and profile pics for ya.
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So dope!Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Dammit stop making these skis look so cool [emoji24][emoji1786]
The 130 brake looks like it fits pretty perfectly... you think there's enough room there to go with a 115 brake as others have suggested? Looking to order up bindings for my pair in the next day or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Pivot 115s work well. That’s what I will be running. With a small twist :).
I used the 130mm as I only had 130mm or 100mm Solly brakes in the garage. There is plenty of room with the 130mm, so ya I think the 115mm would work on the HB122.Quote:
Originally Posted by Full Trucker
best combo hands down.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
I'm thinking the Harlaut pivots would look very nice on these too.
Laying my 115 braked FKS on the skis it seems like the brakes would never touch the snow. Too narrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Oftentimes with pivots once you mount the "skinny" brakes on the skis and cycle them a few times, the ski edges trim the inside of the plastic tips a little bit and they start to work great. Just takes a little fiddling.
Caveat that I don't have my HBs in hand yet, so I'm not sure the exact fit. I know folks (including me) fit 95mm brakes on 108 skis quite often, so not sure why 115 wouldn't work on a 122.
I have 115s on my HB122s
I just mounted 115mm Pivots and the ski edges did trim a bit of the plastic on the brake. It was still hanging up so I bent them out just a tad and now they retract smoothly.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxloaf
Fuck it. Having the shop put on brand new raw P15s. Haven't bought brand new bindings in ages.
Stoked how the raw p15s look.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...7474d2e13a.jpg
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Yes sir. Those are beautiful
Strive 14 MNC with 115 brakes just barely squeak on there. Mine are the 189, straight pull at 193, mounted -6.5 / 90cm from the tail. Pretty stoked to get these on snow, and with 2-3' on the way this week it might be more sooner than later.
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If anyone is feeling left out and looking for a pair of 189s, PM me. I have a pair that are still in plastic that I’m on the fence about but leaning towards letting go.