Tipflation?!?!

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Originally Posted by summit

I went to a coffee/breakfast joint in Fruita... think it was Camillas. Order at the counter, and they bring it to the number you put on your table.

On checkout they flipped the thing around and it said 20% and asked if I wanted to add 20% more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hit back and she "oh no don't do that it will void the payment."

"Oh I was just trying to choose the tip. I don't want to tip up front."

"20% is the minimum you are allowed to tip."

"That isn't a tip, it is a surcharge, but I will tip after."

"If you don't want to tip, you can not order. It is your choice."

My friends had paid already so I begrudgingly paid and then she was a complete bitch to me and again when she brought the food, which is just reinforcement of why tipping up front is total bullshit.

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oh. my word.

next time i'm in fruita i'll stop in. pay with cash.
no up-front tip. that's total BS.

They'll pull the same shit, it will be itemized on your receipt.

All of you say you want fair wages but bitch about the 20% surcharge. The only other way to do it is with higher up front prices and people will complain about that too.

If counter places didn't ask for a tip up front half of you old fucks would forget by the time the meal is over. Don't blame the kids working the counter.

We have a local bistro near us that switched to including tips in their menu prices. No other tip is expected and is discouraged. It was a bit of a transition but it’s worked just fine since and is much better than traditional tipping or adding some bs surcharge as a separate line item. If it’s not negotiable, the surcharge should just be baked into the price

^ mas bueno.

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Originally Posted by ghosthop

They'll pull the same shit, it will be itemized on your receipt.

All of you say you want fair wages but bitch about the 20% surcharge. The only other way to do it is with higher up front prices and people will complain about that too.

If counter places didn't ask for a tip up front half of you old fucks would forget by the time the meal is over. Don't blame the kids working the counter.

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No, you include the the 20% "tip" in the posted price, with medium sized text saying "**a 20% service charge is included in the pricing to ensure our staff is paid a livable wage. No gratuity is expected"

Personally, i would appreciate if all posted prices just included tip and tax.

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Originally Posted by ghosthop

All of you say you want fair wages but bitch about the 20% surcharge. The only other way to do it is with higher up front prices and people will complain about that too.

If counter places didn't ask for a tip up front half of you old fucks would forget by the time the meal is over. Don't blame the kids working the counter.

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I'm only in this thread for the outrage. In reality, I tip everyone.

But the broader issue of many of these businesses being owned by actual old rich fucks (as opposed to us sort of old amateur dentists) - or worse, major corporations - who have us subsidizing their businesses with excessive tipping to allow them to continue to get away with paying poverty wages, is that they don't need to add a surcharge.

Thanks to this thread in entered 0% tipping territory for the first time at a counter joint because I paused to think rather than just button pushing my way through the iPad transaction. Sandwich shop, I grab a pre made box lunch out of the cooler, tell the worker nothing else please, worker rings it up and flips around the iPad and I tap the chip reader, prompted for 10, 15 or 20% and I chose other and close out. Not sure I’ll do that again because I felt like a cheap ass and that kid maybe could use the extra $1.65 more than me. Still undecided.

Also, cash bars or open bars, or drink tick receptions that accept credit cards but also don’t do receipts/credit tips. Was at one recently where the bartenders just had QR code for slobs like me that rarely have cash. That was a clever set up and convenient.

Final tip story of the morning, recently sent out for raw oysters, dinner and drinks. Check comes and there are itemized tip lines, one for server and one for the oyster shucker.

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

No, you include the the 20% "tip" in the posted price, with medium sized text saying "**a 20% service charge is included in the pricing to ensure our staff is paid a livable wage. No gratuity is expected"

Personally, i would appreciate if all posted prices just included tip and tax.

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Interesting idea to advertise that service staff get a percentage of revenue, a la commission. Make it 50% of dessert and I’m way more likely to order an overpriced piece of cheesecake.

So what I’m gathering here, as a now foreigner to my own homeland (which is why I chose this username decades ago- reverse-culture shock is a bitch) is that I now have to pay a tip in order to receive any service.

I haven’t been home in seven years. For a multitude of reasons. But I swear to god you worms make it harder to raise my aspirations every year.

I’m pretty sure the last thing I wanna do when I land in Hawaii is convince a 20-something behind an iPad that I would like a coffee without any attitude.


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So what I’m gathering here, as a now foreigner to my own homeland (which is why I chose this username decades ago- reverse-culture shock is a bitch) is that I now have to pay a tip in order to receive any service.

I haven’t been home in seven years. For a multitude of reasons. But I swear to god you worms make it harder to raise my aspirations every year.

I’m pretty sure the last thing I wanna do when I land in Hawaii is convince a 20-something behind an iPad that I would like a coffee without any attitude.

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Originally Posted by gaijin

So what I’m gathering here, as a now foreigner to my own homeland (which is why I chose this username decades ago- reverse-culture shock is a bitch) is that I now have to pay a tip in order to receive any service.

I haven’t been home in seven years. For a multitude of reasons. But I swear to god you worms make it harder to raise my aspirations every year.

I’m pretty sure the last thing I wanna do when I land in Hawaii is convince a 20-something behind an iPad that I would like a coffee without any attitude.

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In my experience the counter service people don't give a single fuck whether or not you tip, and a few of them have even skipped through that part for me before handing the keypad over to me. Something tells me they may not actually get 100% of these tips...

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

If you can't tip, don't go out. Don't go on vacation.

If all these places paid these tipped positions $20+ an hour you couldn't afford to go there.

Housekeepers make a decent wage and you should still tip them.

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If we do the actual math, then really it's the normal/high tippers who are subsidizing the non or low tippers. So if you just average out what the damn salary is supposed to be, pay it to the workers, and then advertise and enforce a no-tip policy, you'd have my business 100%. Roll the tips in to the price - fuck this extra bullshit after I get there.

Plus, don't you think workers would prefer a steady higher pay rate vs. the variable one that relies on people's generosity? I do. You'd be able to hire the better staff.

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Originally Posted by AK47bp

I suspect most of that iPad pay type software just has the tip screen included and they just leave it on for suckers.

For example. I went to a farm yesterday to pick my own fresh strawberries, I carried a box and walked through the fields and picked my own. You take them to a little booth trailer thing and they weigh it and you pay, if there is anything not worth a tip it’s that. The screen still had the tip option, I think because there is also a cafe on a different part of the farm for baked goods and coffee etc. Not sure if the tip screen can be turned on/off on each unit.

Wonder how many dumb-asses actually left a tip after working the fields to pick their own fruit.

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Yes. There have been a number of articles written about how the tip screens are a function of the POS software being used and the business often has limited choices of how to configure it.

I still wish tipping wasn't a thing. On the "it's part of the wages" arguement, I'm not sure that's a great reason to tip, but I also don't know who is paying their employee a livable wage when the local car wash is paying $20/hr. I have no clue what the person behind the counter is making. Just pay people.

I find the "if you can't tip, you can't afford to eat out, travel, etc" thing insulting. So much unnecessary, extra friction in the transaction, just like not posting the price with sales tax included. You are basically telling me everything is 10-20% more expensive, but instead of just charging me that price, you are going to force me into an additional unnecessary transaction where I have to make some value judgement based on service I've maybe never received before. I'll play along, but it's annoying as shit as a customer and if you fuck around with mandatory tips, service charges, extreme tip options, I'm pretty likely to not return to your business.

Maybe if someone could explain why it's 10% here and 20% here and maybe 30% on this service over here it would make sense to me. It just seems completely arbitrary.

My thought is that tipping is a reward for receiving some level of service beyond the most basic. Punching an item into a POS system is not a service to me, but to the owner of the business.

Paying a surcharge before receiving service is not a tip, at worst it is extortion.

I have worked in the low and mid-end service industries. I gave the same level of service to every customer, even if they were a regular and known poor tipper. That is the requirement of a service industry job. In a shift, some people tipped well, some not at all, it all worked out and I averaged well over 15% most shifts.

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Originally Posted by gaijin

So what I’m gathering here, as a now foreigner to my own homeland (which is why I chose this username decades ago- reverse-culture shock is a bitch) is that I now have to pay a tip in order to receive any service.

I haven’t been home in seven years. For a multitude of reasons. But I swear to god you worms make it harder to raise my aspirations

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Spent two years in Japan and another in Asia before coming back to the US and people kept asking me about culture shock over there. I had none over there but got slapped really hard when I came back. Be warned, the reverse is huge and crippling. Not to mention getting used to tipping again lol

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Yes. There have been a number of articles written about how the tip screens are a function of the POS software being used and the business often has limited choices of how to configure it.

I still wish tipping wasn't a thing. On the "it's part of the wages" arguement, I'm not sure that's a great reason to tip, but I also don't know who is paying their employee a livable wage when the local car wash is paying $20/hr. I have no clue what the person behind the counter is making. Just pay people.

I find the "if you can't tip, you can't afford to eat out, travel, etc" thing insulting. So much unnecessary, extra friction in the transaction, just like not posting the price with sales tax included. You are basically telling me everything is 10-20% more expensive, but instead of just charging me that price, you are going to force me into an additional unnecessary transaction where I have to make some value judgement based on service I've maybe never received before. I'll play along, but it's annoying as shit as a customer and if you fuck around with mandatory tips, service charges, extreme tip options, I'm pretty likely to not return to your business.

Maybe if someone could explain why it's 10% here and 20% here and maybe 30% on this service over here it would make sense to me. It just seems completely arbitrary.

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IMO, tipping should be based on the service provided. If minimal service is provided above and beyond the bare-bones product, then no tip should be required. When i have gone to a top tier restaurant the thing that stands out to me more than even the food is usually the awesome service (food recommendations, wine recommendations, generally being super likeable while being there when needed and invisible when not) . They get a big tip. The bartender who is attentive, quick with a drink and the check, and has a heavy pour is getting a big tip. The barista who takes the time to pull quality shots and then gets fancy with the latte art is getting a nice tip. But i would much rather just have gratuity included in the menu price at a Dennys or Starbucks, or somewhere the service is going to be bare bones and we all know that going in.

The one that kind of set me off last time was at a self-checkout kiosk for concessions at a local sports arena. Was buying drinks, had to pull them from the fridge, scan them, do everything myself, and the attendant watching over everyone did ONE thing which was tell me "So, the screens gonna ask you if you'd like to leave a tip" as he watched over me. I said "For WHAT?" as I hit the skip button. Eff that. I'll tip for when somebody actually DOES something for me, but on self-checkout with zero assistance? Yeah, you can go screw yourself there, buddy.

On a side note, I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at self-checkout become the de facto standard for far too many businesses now. Especially when the now former cashiers get cranky with us for doing it wrong. We're treated like retail employees now instead of, you know, customers.

I think most are in agreement here that tipping is for a service.

Someone ringing me up for a product is not a service. (Bag of chips, a drip coffee, pre-made food from a cooler, etc.)

Someone making the product for me when I order it is a service.

Takeout / counter food pickup = min 10%

Table service = min 15%

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Originally Posted by gaijin

So what I’m gathering here, as a now foreigner to my own homeland (which is why I chose this username decades ago- reverse-culture shock is a bitch) is that I now have to pay a tip in order to receive any service.

I haven’t been home in seven years. For a multitude of reasons. But I swear to god you worms make it harder to raise my aspirations every year.

I’m pretty sure the last thing I wanna do when I land in Hawaii is convince a 20-something behind an iPad that I would like a coffee without any attitude.


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Nah, it's not that different than it's always been, especially in sit-down, order at the table places. At counter order places, you do tip in advance, just like you pay when you order, and there do seem to be more counter order places than there used to be. I have yet to encounter one with a mandatory tip, let alone one where there was a minimum tip figure, but then I've never been to Fruita. Tip what you feel like, or nothing at all, and don't care what the people in the restaurant think about you. Or go to Mcdonald's Still no tipping there.

As far as filty rich old white people owning restaurants--they may have been filthy rich when the opened a restaurant. They're not any more. Most restaurants fail.

Many places have a default tip amount (with higher options) but every POS system I've seen has a "no tip" or "custom tip" button, so you don't have to give the default minimum. I've never seen one like Summit described.

I've started carrying cash again. Everyone should know how to make change and drive a manual transmission.
AI is probably going to fuck everything up anyways............

So what’s the collective’s position on tipping escorts/hookers/massage parlor women? I didn’t see it discussed upthread but apologies if I missed it.

I know, you don’t have to tip the dead ones.

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

So what’s the collective’s position on tipping escorts/hookers/massage parlor women? I didn’t see it discussed upthread but apologies if I missed it.

I know, you don’t have to tip the dead ones.

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Hookers are under the table independent contractors.

The only tip they get is Ol’One Eyed Willy, hopefully wearing a hat.

Ya gotta tip your girl if you want to make em happy that they got some money they don’t have to share w Leroy

the cost of renting an apartment in most of europe is significantly cheaper. i know that members of my family in the netherlands received government help/stipend to pay their rent.

tips help low pay workers get by. most every dentist on here is reasonably affluent. let me tell you something, you fucking cheap cock knockers, is that half your success is because you are male and white and your father didn't diddle you

share the wealth assholes

^ at first I was all for tips included, but maybe it is more of a subtle tax. Loaded tourist 20%. New local 10%(tech new local 25%+). Displaced local 0%.

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Originally Posted by old goat

Nah, it's not that different than it's always been, especially in sit-down, order at the table places. At counter order places, you do tip in advance, just like you pay when you order, and there do seem to be more counter order places than there used to be. I have yet to encounter one with a mandatory tip, let alone one where there was a minimum tip figure, but then I've never been to Fruita. Tip what you feel like, or nothing at all, and don't care what the people in the restaurant think about you. Or go to Mcdonald's Still no tipping there.

As far as filty rich old white people owning restaurants--they may have been filthy rich when the opened a restaurant. They're not any more. Most restaurants fail.

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This x500. If you're too stupid to figure out no tip/custom tip on the touch pad or 15 or whatever percent of purchase in your head from your tab you deserve to pay the "recommended" amount. If you don't want to tip then don't, just don't bitch about the consequences.

I think the cost of meals should be nominal and tips should cover the food and service. Then we would only have to pay a nominal sales tax.

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Originally Posted by old goat

I think the cost of meals should be nominal and tips should cover the food and service. Then we would only have to pay a nominal sales tax.

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ahahahaha i love it. $1 for the sandwich, but a mandatory $9 gratuity. I wonder why that isnt more of a thing (ignoring the obvious gray financial area there).

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Originally Posted by old goat

I think the cost of meals should be nominal and tips should cover the food and service. Then we would only have to pay a nominal sales tax.

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ahahahaha i love it. $1 for the sandwich, but a mandatory $9 gratuity. I wonder why that isnt more of a thing (ignoring the obvious gray financial area there).

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Originally Posted by Meconium

I've started carrying cash again. Everyone should know how to make change and drive a manual transmission.
AI is probably going to fuck everything up anyways............

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You should check out the old men yelling thread

Isigsgtbt.

You gents seem really worked up about this.
Let me tell you the secret to not tipping. Tune your own skis, fix your own bike, make your own coffee, cook your on food and clean up after yourself, buy your own booze and make your own drinks, carry your own bags.

Ranting on an internet forum is not going to change US Labor Economics. Currently all the things above, if you want someone else to do them, should include a tip. If you dont; you are not Gahndi, you arent being the change in the world you want to see, you are being a grumpy miserly old fuck who we all would prefer stayed home.

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

You gents seem really worked up about this.
Let me tell you the secret to not tipping. Tune your own skis, fix your own bike, make your own coffee, cook your on food and clean up after yourself, buy your own booze and make your own drinks, carry your own bags.

Ranting on an internet forum is not going to change US Labor Economics. Currently all the things above, if you want someone else to do them, should include a tip. If you dont; you are not Gahndi, you arent being the change in the world you want to see, you are being a grumpy miserly old fuck who we all would prefer stayed home.

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fuck yeah
agreeed

Hey if I send my shock in for a rebuild, should I include a tip for that?

Are you fucking serious? Bike mechs?

If I'm not fixing my own bike, and if I'm not having a guy-I-know who works cash under the table... I'm actually going to a bike shop and I need to tip?

I totally bring beer for a bike mech if they are hooking me up or expediting a fix, throwing me free spares, etc.

But otherwise I am not fucking tipping on a bike shop charging me $50-75/hr labor rates + parts like they are a car shop except the auto shop turns around my car faster than a bike shop backed up 2 weeks.

This is exactly the kind of tip creep people are complaining about.

Do you tip your car mech?

Tip your plumber?

Tip your HVAC guy?

Tip your nurse at the ER?

Tip your accountant?

Tip your dental hygienist?

Hey! Maybe I should tip my bank teller?

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Originally Posted by Woodsy

carry your own bags.

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What is frustrating is if you have someone give you a hard time because they want to carry your bags so you'll tip and you don't want them to so you carry your bags and they accuse you of taking food off their table.

Dollar a bag man - you can afford it


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Originally Posted by DBdude

Dollar a bag man - you can afford it


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Cash? What is this 1995? Who the hell carries cash around anymore?

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Originally Posted by oldnew_guy

Cash? What is this 1995? Who the hell carries cash around anymore?

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I do
do you want the govt and the corporations tracking you with every credit card purchase?
cash is the best
I sleep on at least 10k makes me feel safe

Should I tip the cashier at the grocery? The meat and seafood person?

Should I tip at the liquor store when I buy a sixpack?

Should I tip the trash collections guy?

Should I tip the meter maid when I get a parking ticket?

Or do we only tip businesses that use iPads?

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Originally Posted by fastfred

I do
do you want the govt and the corporations tracking you with every credit card purchase?
cash is the best
I sleep on at least 10k makes me feel safe

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You think they are that interested you?