I think the XT has a stated weight 50g lighter. Is anything else different? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f15fe444bb.jpg
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I think the XT has a stated weight 50g lighter. Is anything else different? https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...f15fe444bb.jpg
50g heavier from the pebax cuff? How does that make it the pro?
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2025 Scarpa Quattro Pro for your viewing pleasure. Stated flex is 135 I believe and no recycled materials in the shell. I will have more tech details next weekAttachment 481939
Drool.....what's the width of the walk mode area at the pin? The Xts are just under 20mm.
I just received my replacements (thanks Scarpa!) and just molded them for some afternoon meadow skipping in this storm.
FWIW,Regarding the Intuition Home Fitting tips, there was no way I could get the sock I used all the way into the toe box. Breaking the rice into (3) different size socks works great plus having varying sizes for spot adjustments later could be useful.
Wonder why no recycled materials? Per the XT tag, the recycled materials "are in no way inferior to standard products."Quote:
Originally Posted by billhill
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I don't have a boot to measure right now. Will have all the tech details/recycled story next week. Stay tuned..
Thanks billQuote:
Originally Posted by billhill
That ski/walk mechanism looks far more burly than the XT.Quote:
Originally Posted by billhill
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Originally Posted by billhill
My goodness those are pretty. Idk if it is just the photo or angle or what but the pro looks to have a similar clog last to the Maestrale, and looks higher in the instep than the Quattro XT ��
That would be a huge bummer. Then they shouldn’t have the quattro nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
Looks similar to me. We’ll see what BillHill finds:
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The taper in front of the heel is flat.
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Compared to alpine sole:
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It's probably just the angle, but it does look like it has a slightly higher instep which would be a huge bummer I love the fit on the Quattro XT.
As someone who loves my mastrales and wished the quattro had a higher instep I am hoping it is not just an photo angle :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
I love my Maestrale RS. What I would Love is a Maestrale with a tighter heel pocket.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
But also the fit on Quattro is really nice for me. No heel lift no ankle hotspots no shell work needed just a mold of the liner would be it. The only reason I don't have them yet is my Maestrales have enough life to finish this season. And I'm not looking to pay almost 900 bucks for new boots right meow
Yeah agreed. There are boot brands that serve the low instep crowd, and Scarpa created a long term reputation for boots that fit med/narrow forefeet with highish arches and insteps…I don’t see any advantage for Scarpa to now switch to the low instep last for just one model in their line. It’s like BMW coming out with a pickup truck.Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
Every Scarpa I've skied had pretty low insteps...Hurricane, Mobe, Freedom RS, and now 4-Quattro. When I was shopping for the F1s, I tried on Fischers, Heads, and Atomics and they all had way too much volume over the instep for me. F1 fits like a tight glove.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Shrug. Skimoco sells a shit ton of AT boots and I’m just relaying their conclusions. One of the only boots perfect for me out of the box. They specifically got me in F1s because of my high instep. It’s been years since I tried on Freedoms or Mobes, I don’t recall how they fit. I.e. I see what you’re saying.
Maestrale XT also fit me out of the box perfectly. Didn’t even mold the liners.
Out of curiosity I tried some of the boots at Skimoco they said were low instep, like the original Skorpius and the Backland. Couldn’t even get them on. I’d have to shave down my instep with a machete to fit those boots.
And fun AF! The Hurricanes were fine, but skiing the replacement Quattros today are another level of fun & control. I'm glad the replacements arrived for the new snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyNameIsAugustWest
Since I 1st converted from leather tele boots to T2s, then T3s, I realized I have a Scarpa foot and have yet to have fit or skiing/touring issues. Even for hiking and approach shoes, along with hiking boots. I've tried others and wondered why bother. Scarpas just work for my needs.
There unfortunately really aren't. The original Skorpius aside, out of about 20 touring boots on our wall the quattro can fit the lowest instep. It's an outlier and for us low instep folks it's pretty exciting. If you have a higher instep the zero g or radical pro will likely fit better and imo ski and walk pretty damn close. Or for that matter the maestrale isn't far off in performance (and you get a rubber sole!).Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Obviously that decision by scarpa is long made and we're just muttering amongst ourselves, but I think the quattro currently offers a unique fit and making it higher volume would make it more of an also-ran in the segment
In the spirit of ‘muttering amongst ourselves’, Dynafit has gained a reputation (eg hoji free) for not working great with high insteps. Then they come out with the Tigard, which in addition to large ankle volume fits high insteps (some say it requires a high instep).
I.e. they pulled a move opposite of what Scarpa did in this Crossover category. Yes, it’s great you have a boot to sell customers on your wall with very low instep volume. We’re just saying ideally it would be a brand generally known for that fit.
The Radical Pro isn’t generally considered to even be in this alpine/AT crossover category, can you explain your recommendation? I’ve tried it on at mammoth mtneering, seemed to barely warrant the 120 flex rating. But you’re absolutely right, unlike my typical dynafit exerience, it fit my instep much better than the Free. So much for my brand theory. :confused:
I’ve known Dave for 30 yrs and have been shopping at mammoth mtneering since it was by the movie theatre. I probably have met you ;) and promise to pick your brain when I’m in the shop next.
More updates: It appears the new 4-Quattro Pro shares the same Grilamid Bio and Pebax Renew materials as the 4-Quattro XT shell. That is what they are publishing in the catalog. Attachment 482698Attachment 482699
The connection point for the hike/ski mechanism in the rear of the Quattro Pro is more substantial. Definitely wider and beefier. Flex is called a 130+ so use your own detective methods as to what the number really is.
Price will be $950 so it will be interesting to see what the market says to that.
There is also a lock out feature on the hike/ski mech for the Quattro Pro
I want to make my 4 Quattro XTs fit more like Scarpa F1s in the forefoot. I like the low instep but there's not enough room for my toes compared with other Scarpas in the same size. How does using a ball work?Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
I've watched youtube videos where they use a welding clamp with a ball on the end to punch out sections of a boot, is there an easier way to make these boots just a little roomier in front?
Looks like the new maestrale clog, guess the fit is changing.
Hope I’m wrong, what’s the bsl?
The recent TLT/blacklight boots are pretty high volume, high instep along with the Tigard. The Radical Pro is kinda medium volume all over. And yeah, the Hoji Free has a very low instep. So I'd more argue that dynafit is all over the place, to our collective frustration.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Idk if I had to rank them, I'd say quattro skis the best, then zero g, then radical pro, but that they're probably close enough to just buy what fits you. I wouldn't ski any of them inbounds personally, but other good skiers at the shop do (including the radical). Those gents are smaller than me though. Selfishly I really wish Scarpa had put a rubber sole on the quattro (and dropped the crossover marketing).Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Look forward to arguing about it in person sometime!!
You’d have to drop the GripWalk option then, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by WhetherMan
From what Scarpa said, reviews, the specs and pictures, etc, there looks like there are some similarities between the new RS & XT in terms of at least the upper, ski lock and flex. The fit sounds more similar, too. I’d be curious about how they truly compared for skiing and touring.
FWIW, the past couple weeks of hard area skiing of groomers, bumps, crud and powder, the replacement XTs are money.
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Maybe the Quattro Pro is the replacement for the Maestrale XT. And has a more Maestrale type fit, maybe it just looks like that and it retains the quattro's lower volume fit. (which would be nice)
First product listing I've seen for the pro: https://www.bentgate.com/scarpa-4-qu...oot-green.html
side note: really struggling to get a good downhill feel out of my XTs. They're very comfortable and walk incredibly well. Instep, heel lock all feel great but can't seem to drive them at all without them feeling like they'll collapse.
From that listing definitely the same last as current Quattro that's very exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingskiguy
well one of us was going to be disappointed and it looks like it is me :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Sargentdrufus
Yeah but the current gen Maestrale RS keeps a higher volume fit, and continues to be a very strong downhill bootQuote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
Anyone’s XTs developing play in the lock mechanism? Seems like I’ve got some slop in the various pins/axles that wasn’t present initially.
I thought that for a minute yesterday, but after tightening the top buckles and strap, I did not feel it again. I double checked today and do not feel any play. Do you by hand?
while I did not think that I would ever get these, this thread and a local sale made me opt for them over Backland XTDs - and I am glad that I did.
Quattro XTs are simply put the best heavy hitting touring boot that I've tried (I do not consider Lange XT3s to be in the same segment, they are more 50/50 boots that can tour reasonably well). I've tried Technica Tour Pros, Hawx XTDs, Fischer Transalps and Salomon SLab MTN summits - and the Quattros are the best fitting and the ones with the highest performance envelope. They do not have the tendency for the shell to hit my ankle as I walk too - like the Technicas did.
So if you need a low volume boot and can make these work, then I will recommend them any day of the week. They walk really well if perhaps not as frictionless as some lighter boots - but then again they ski the downs a whole lot better too. Their liners are comfy and the integrated booster style strap is nice.
Now I just need to mess them up so I can get some 140s ;)
I wish they had a taller cuff and a full boot board, really cold boot unfortunately.
Ski great tho, and seriously the most low volume out there.
I was considering throwing in a felt shim to reduce the heat loss on those real cold days.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_pretzel
Just got a pair. Carpet test was fine in the SL, but they didn't have XT in my size and had to order. In the XT I can feel my heartbeat in my feet and my toes fall asleep. No pain though. Do you really need toes?
^ Is that just sitting in your living room or out skiing?
I thought the same when I first got a pair but once I started skiing in them, all was right with the world fit-wise.
Damn. I really wanted these boots to work!
Skied them almost all of last season. Broke the walk mode brace on each boot (two seperate occasions). Scarpa was very helpful and replaced both parts, I figured the issue must be a materials or QA thing, so I continued to ski the boot with confidence. Nothing crazy, a mix of touring and resort skiing. By this weekend I probably have 50-70 days on the boot.
Fast forward to this afternoon at Alta, where I was semi-aggressively through some bumps and …. POP!
This happened:https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d26b3672ca.jpg
I know that this is a known issue, but I was really hoping that my Quattro issues were over, because other than the issues I’ve had, I REALLY like this boot. Going to contact Scarpa and see if they can help me. Fingers crossed!
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Mine have started doing this after one day on the hill and some minor boot work. Looking closely one of the lean mode adjustment screws had backed itself out ever so slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by flyingskiguy
I noticed vertical cracks in the cuff near the ladders on both boots and quickly got a cuff replacement kit from Scarpa. When I unbolted the cuffs I found this crack in the lower shell.
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Scarpa is sending me a full replacement pair. I had ~75 days in the Quattros--all of them backcountry days. I use a 255 GFT liner and the stock liner. I switch them out based on the amount of vert, or conditions/ski I'm using.
I'm trying out a sized down Maestrale RS ((25 shell) since that lower is the same as a 26 shell for the Quattro XT) while I wait for the warranty replacement.
One thing about sizing down is that the shorter cuff height of the Maestrale is very noticeable to me. Without being able to measure the Quattro right now, the Maestrale looks ~1.5 cm shorter than the Quattro. I have used the GFT liner in the Maestrale, which helped a little, but the cuff height difference is still noticeable. The fit between the boots feels the same when going a size down, but contrary to a review on SkimoCO they do not ski the same. (To be fair, I think that reviewer was A/B-ing the same mondo size.) I'd say if you decided to go with a sized down Maestrale, the Quattro XT is still better downhill. The Maestrale gains some efficiency uphill with the shorter cuff height and you get a rockered, rubber outsole with a full length bootboard internally. If I had to go with one boot I'd go with the Quattro XT despite the durability issues. However, I think both boots are useful for my specific use case.